IRS will start simplifying its notices to taxpayers as agency continues modernization push

Chickenstalker , 5 months ago

Dear Taxpayer,

You pay $xxx.xx or we [REDACTED] you.

t. Taxman/woman/xer

FlyingSquid , 5 months ago

From the article:

More than 170 million notices are sent out annually by the IRS to taxpayers regarding credits, deductions and taxes owed. The notices are often needlessly long and filled with legal jargon — forcing many confused taxpayers to call the agency and jam up the phone lines.

Simpler notices in plain language will help people understand their tax liability and improve tax enforcement, said IRS Commissioner Daniel Werfel, who said the initiative is paid for with funding from Democrats’ Inflation Reduction Act.

Why do you have a problem with that?

yo_scottie_oh , 5 months ago

Will I have to also read several paragraphs about the fact that this notice is written in plain English thanks to an initiative sponsored by so and so before I can actually read the notice?

blanketswithsmallpox , 5 months ago

Thanks Biden!

stratosfear , 5 months ago

Fuck intuit

Varyk , 5 months ago

Just tell us the balance, Janet.

FuglyDuck , 5 months ago

You know that for 90% of people, they could just tell everyone how much they owe and call it good?

Like there’s zero need for us to file taxes because they already know how much we spent. Over all, people would be taxed less because there’s no need to itemize deductions in what is meant to be an obtusely arcane process fundamentally designed to benefit the other 10% while creating an entire industry…

But details.

Ensign_Crab , 5 months ago

You know that for 90% of people, they could just tell everyone how much they owe and call it good?

Yeah, but intuit owns them, so they won’t.

IHeartBadCode , 5 months ago

Just FYI, for people living in the following states:

• Arizona
• California
• Florida
• Massachusetts
• Nevada
• New Hampshire
• New York
• South Dakota
• Tennessee
• Texas
• Washington
• Wyoming

You will be able to participate in the pilot program called Direct File.

Unlike Free File, Direct File is open to any income level and is NOT through a third party provider. You are directly filing with the IRS. That said, it is indeed a pilot program and it does not offer many of the usual IRS forms, so check the website to see if you can use this or not.

And for those wondering. Yes, this is exactly the kind of thing Intuit et al lobbied hard to Congress back in 2022 to not pass.

Obviously this isn't the return free system we've been promised since the 80s. But it is a good first step. The IRS has been tasked to report back to Congress when the pilot is over this year. For all we know the new system may work correct right out of the box, may eat some children, or cause the Hoover dam to explode. This is the first time the IRS has been allowed to build such a thing for the public.

Hopefully this all goes off without a hitch, because every success with Direct File is a kick to Goodarzi's nuts. Here's hoping this is the first step towards simplified taxes/return free taxes.

centof , 5 months ago

It is so ass backwards that they functionally require(d) an intermediary to file online. It would be so much easier to just have a literal email address (or webpage) where you could send your taxes. Too bad the vast majority of our politicians serve business interests (money) and not the American people.

IHeartBadCode , 5 months ago

And just to pour it on. Remember that Intuit had a PowerPoint presentation that leaked that indicated the number of challenges they have faced with Congress and the IRS repeatedly trying to create a return-free system. One of the slides from that PowerPoint.

It's amazing to think how much energy and money Intuit has spent to prevent simple taxes for the American public. Like it's been a thing they've been doing since the early 90s. They have gone to great lengths to deny people the ability to just click a button on the IRS website and call it done. The fact that we are actually getting Direct File is in itself an amazing accomplishment considering the massive amount of energy the tax preparation industry has tossed at ensuring this one thing, DID NOT HAPPEN.

Like if anyone actually sits and reads the history of Intuit and the US tax system, it's just some amazing, I cannot believe this happened IRL. Just the sheer knowing how evil they are and how they didn't care because it could affect their bottom line. They knew that they were falsely steering people into their paid product out of the Free File program and they didn't need to that to them. There were internal memos that were published where they admitted, "this is not in the spirit of the program" but failed to change course because "doing so would have significant impact of delivery of product to paying customers."

And the sheer level of money, people, energy, lobbying, etc they were throwing stopping all of this from happening. It's incredible. And yet, we're finally getting a pilot program to do some basic things directly with the Government. How Congress managed the squeak it out is a testament to how so many people wanted to indicate that Democrats did nothing with the two years they were given, and just this one thing was monumental and it's barely anything.

Because the people pushing back to prevent it, the term deep pockets, doesn't even begin to explain it. Like I never thought we would ever get a program like this. Yes, it's massively crippled BUT IT'S SOMETHING. It's just wild that this exists this year, I cannot even think of good words to describe how impossible this felt not but five years ago.

GlendatheGayWitch , 5 months ago

For those in and out of those states, there’s also Tax Hawk, which has been available for free (for federal taxes) for a few years.

evatronic , 5 months ago

Intuit owns legislators, not the IRS.

Endorkend , 5 months ago (edited 5 months ago)

That's how it is here.

I get a letter stating how much I owe or will get reimbursed from the information they have.

If I have additional revenue or tax deductions that aren't listed in the prefilled forms, I can add them and submit them (or have a tax accountant do it).

The letter comes with an envelope that doesn't need postage.

Most people don't have to do anything but simply see money appear on their bank account or pay what they owe by a certain date and that's that.

EDIT: Oh and we can access our taxes online with our national IDs.

So while you can opt to do everything on paper, you or your tax accountant can do your taxes online instead of filling in the forms in case the prefilled forms missed anything. The website will have the same info prefilled as the papers did.

And the taxes website has help sections and information popups to explain pretty much every single tax code imaginable.

FuglyDuck , 5 months ago

That’s how it is here.

I imagine that’s how it is in every sane country, yeah.

I get a letter stating how much I owe or will get reimbursed from the information they have.
If I have additional revenue or tax deductions that aren’t listed in the prefilled forms, I can add them and submit them (or have a tax accountant do it).

Does anybody every admit to more income? lol.

The letter comes with an envelope that doesn’t need postage.

That’s nice. just rubbing it in, are we?

(lol. sorry, couldn’t resist.)

AlecSadler , 5 months ago

How do I move there? 🤔

lagomorphlecture , 5 months ago

IMO the only good thing they happened while Trump was president was raising the standard deduction because I no longer need to itemize. It got so much easier and cheaper to file. I still have to do the state taxes though and even without itemizing I’m not exactly an accountant so I do always find it kind of complicated.