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Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Biden is actively committing genocide and people here go “yeah he’s doing pretty good”

Fucking wild.

FrankNebula ,

How ironic, he’s literally the only guy who can lose to Trump. Get another Democrat candidate.

spudwart ,

And he’s also the only one who’s even remotely worth winning. Seeing as how all the good options aren’t even attempting a campaign. And even if they were, the DNC has basically already decided Biden will be the candidate.

June ,

P sure ya’ll said the same thing on 2020…

FrankNebula ,

A wet flannel would have beaten Trump in 2020. It turned out a wet flannel did.

Rusticus ,

Biden’s presidency has been the best in 50 years for progressives. lol.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I can think of a ton of democrats that would fare worse than him in a general election versus Trump. I know lemmy at large (and my own personal politics) don’t align with a more centrist Democrat but with first past the post voting targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.

Ensign_Crab ,

targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.

Oh, is that how Trump won?

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Trump won because the middle of the electorate largely hates Hillary Clinton. Coincidentally, she’s one of the Democrats that would do worse than Biden in a general election against Trump

Ensign_Crab ,

Trump won because the middle of the electorate largely hates Hillary Clinton.

Oh, really? Is that why Democrats been blaming progressives and only progressives for her loss ever since?

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

The party isn’t going to bad mouth a former First Lady that drives a huge amount of fundraising for them. I don’t like the fact that money is what drives politics but it’s where this country is at. Doesn’t change the fact that Hillary has a very high unfavorability rating, especially in swing states.

Also, you’re allowed to disagree with me without posing it as a leading question.

Ensign_Crab ,

The party isn’t going to bad mouth a former First Lady that drives a huge amount of fundraising for them.

That doesn’t mean they have to blame progressives, but holy fuck do they love doing so.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed. I think that speaks to how entrenched all this dark money is. I think repealing citizens United and implementing something like single transferable vote instead of first past the post would do a lot to fix American democracy and actually empower people over capital

drcabbage ,

Can Trump just die already?

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Only the good die young

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Betty White had a dark past we never talk about.

Dkarma ,

I would vote for a literal russet potato over Donald Trump.

ipkpjersi ,

My concern is… what if Trump runs again when he’s 81? What if he wins? What if an 81 year old Trump is literally running the country?

TenderfootGungi ,

Over 300 million people in this country and these two are the best we can do? And I actually like Biden and think he has done a solid job.

interceder270 ,

It’s by design. We don’t want the disparity in wealth to shrink so we only elect people who exacerbate it.

Fedizen ,

Do I want to vote for biden? Fuck no.

Am I going to? Absolutely.

We have a 2 party problem in this country but 1 party country run by deranged republicans sounds like shit. Their supreme court has already stolen thousands of dollars from me with their shitty rulings. Not to mention the basic rights they’re continuing to strip from everyone

Furbag ,

I just want to know what’s going on in the minds of these schizo liberals and moderates who plan to vote Trump because Biden isn’t left enough for them.

Like, I want a candidate further left than Biden too, but I’m not going to vote for the literal antithesis of a left-leaning American candidate. That just signals to the establishment that Biden wasn’t safe enough and next time they’ll put someone who is even more conservative as the nominee, and the Overton window shifts even further to the right.

Has everyone already forgotten what a shitty 4 years it was under Trump? He’s not an unknown variable anymore, we know exactly how bad a second term is going to be.

Fedizen ,

I expect some of it is astroturf like the that white republican guy who had a fake black guy alt and spent his time calling democrats racist. I think people underestimate the sheer amount of billionaire money the republican aparatus has and why its still going despite it being widely unpopular.

The other thing is Biden actually has made some good appointments but the corporate media doesn’t like them so they don’t, for instance, want to praise the NLRB appointments.

joshuanozzi ,
@joshuanozzi@lemmy.ml avatar

Jesus, Joe, why say that? You’ll lose a lot of people who are on the fence by admitting your heart’s not really in it.

He may be the best we’ve got, and I’m still voting for him for the same reason he’s running, but Biden has been such a terrible disappointment. He’s wasted the time he’s had.

Stamets ,
@Stamets@startrek.website avatar

The fact that people look at Biden and go “Yeah but he sucks!” when you have an opponent literally saying he is attacking American democracy and wants to be a dictator on day one.

A wave of lava lapping at you’re feet and y’all are worried that the raft trying to save you is a lil old. Motherfucker it is your only option.

Shellbeach ,

Yeah trump is old too, but if he dies, nobody cares. If Biden does though, all we have left is Harris to protect us from Johnson.

Stamets ,
@Stamets@startrek.website avatar

Cool.

HE IS STILL YOUR ONLY OPTION.

I’m not pretending like I respect anyone anymore who isnt voting for biden. Does it suck that this situation happened? Yep. But it happened from decades of Americans not giving a fuck. You don’t get to whine now when it matters more than anything else.

Goferking0 ,

Yes that’s the issue and what we’re upset by. All the dnc is doing is running an unpopular candidate. That’s their entire MO

CoggyMcFee ,

The candidate who is currently president after winning the election in which he earned the popular vote? That unpopular candidate?

Shellbeach ,

I’m not denying it and I, for one, am happilly voting for Biden. I’m emphasizing the reason why him being old is scary.

Ensign_Crab ,

No. You said something that indicates anything other than utter orgasmic delight at the prospect of Biden being the best the party will ever be willing to do. That means you’re a trumpist.

Rusticus ,

Biden’s presidency has been the best for progressives in 50 years. The outrage about Biden is laughable.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

You do know if Biden died a new vice president would then be appointed, right? I could see congress trying to hold that up but I think the Republicans would face an uphill battle, and that’s only presuming they don’t lose their house majority like they did in 2020.

RickyRigatoni ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

Either we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent americans or we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent non-americans like the last twenty presidents.

Wirlocke ,

Absolutely ridiculous to think Trump wouldn’t kill non-americans.

The choice is genocide overseas, or tyranny here and genocide overseas.

It fucking sucks, but the GOP needs to be dismantled before we can bargain for better options.

RickyRigatoni ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t think trump wouldn’t kill non-americans I just figured it was a given and wouldn’t need to be mentioned.

Wirlocke ,

Your original comment implied that you’re choosing one kind of death or the other, the fact is Trump will cause more suffering and to handwave it to be the same as Biden is dangerous.

fathog ,

I’m voting for the geezer in 2024, but let’s be real - Dems will never give us a better option. Biden is genuinely a pretty good president comparatively (imo), but real change will not come from either mainstream party. Don’t forget what they did to Bernie in 2020, or why Buttigieg is the Secretary of Transportation. (They’re the same)

Tier1BuildABear ,
@Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world avatar

Can I ask a stupid question? How is he running? I thought he was impeached, and I thought that meant he couldn’t run again?

Luna_Ephemera ,
@Luna_Ephemera@sh.itjust.works avatar

While you are a sitting president, you cannot stand trial until the process of impeachment is complete. Impeachment just means the house of representatives thinks there’s enough evidence to have a full hearing in the Senate. Impeachment is not a trial and thus no official verdict can be made, only the Senate can do that.

There have been a few lawsuits citing that engaging in insurrection means he can’t be put on the ballot but so far all the courts have said that secretaries of state have to put him on the ballot if he wins the primary.

IamSparticles ,

Not quite correct. The house of Representatives votes to send articles of impeachment to the Senate detailing the charges. This starts a trial. After all evidence has been presented the senate votes on whether to convict or acquit the president. The vote requires a supermajority (2/3) in order to convict. Three presidents have been impeached in the history of the USA. None have ever been convicted by the senate.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

He was never convicted in his impeachment trials.

MedicPigBabySaver ,

I dislike JB. I despise Cheeto chimp. Friggin’ politics are infuriating.

tastysnacks ,

Alright, I’ll say it. I like Joe. He’s low maintenance. He got things done (infrastructure). He’s fucking Putin in every which way he can. He’s talking to China. The gave money directly to the people instead of just to the corporations. I think that helped the economy of the general population better than it did than the great recession.

xc2215x ,

I agree on the not letting him win part.

eran_morad ,

Everyone grow the fuck up. Brandon’s all you got.

SpicyLizards ,

Blah blah do nothing but vote for us so we may blah blah

NounsAndWords ,

“The other guy is a literal fascist currently floating the idea of dismantling democracy” is a very compelling argument, at least to me.

SpicyLizards ,

My critique of biden is not endorsement of trump

TigrisMorte ,

But it is. This is sadly a binary event in realistic terms. Lament you must chose between only two all you like, but any objection must be taken as endorsement of the alternative, because that is how it ends up affecting the result.

agitatedpotato ,

If you think critiqueing biden is tantamount to endorsing trump then I never want to hear you tell someone to hold their nose to vote for someone then push them left. If you’re candidate cannot be critisized, then there’s no space for people who don’t already agree with them to vote for them.

Ensign_Crab ,

Just scream “shut up you want trump to win” at literally all criticism.

AbidanYre ,

Also, that’s not hyperbole coming from the Biden camp. Trump himself is saying he’ll be a dictator on day one and promising to go after the media and political opponents.

RonnieB ,

You’re right, but for some reason it still feels like we’re being fucked.

TunaCowboy ,

“The other guy is a literal fascist currently floating the idea of dismantling democracy … but also, 11 round magazines are way too large.”

LemmyIsFantastic ,

What dumb shit to say that’s going to be used against him.

Nach ,

Tell all the right wing diehards “if you hate Biden so much get Trump to drop out or vote for Haley in the primary”

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