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Dohnakun , in The temperature in China hit 52.2°C (126°F)

Either we abruptly stop extracting even more oil and burning it in the athmosphere or we are soon forced to, because nobody can work in that heath.

TubeTalkerX , in 'A lot of blood in the water.' Why actors' and writers' strikes are a big blow to Hollywood studios

It’s always called Class Warfare when the Lower-Class start fighting back.

stopthatgirl7 , in Instagram Threads now has one-fifth the weekly active user base of Twitter
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I’m not surprised it’s so popular, but I’ll admit to being surprised it’s so popular in India and Brazil. Is Instagram really popular in those countries, or is it something else?

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  • JonVonBasslake ,
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    people even shortened to Insta

    Everyone shortens it to insta, Facebook gets shortened to fb or face, youtube to yt or tube. Very few websites don’t get shortened, and those are usually the ones with short names, sometimes even monosyllabic names. Twitch, you can’t shorten that (at least no in any reasonable way), tiktok, and so on.

    The rest of your comment stands, I just took umbrage with your implication that Brazil is somehow different in shortening names of apps and platforms. They might do it more often than others, but they’re not unique or special just for doing it.

    Zana ,

    I have never heard anyone call them “face” or “tube,” what?

    perviouslyiner ,

    Facebook was subsidising the internet access? (search “internet.org” for why it’s controversial - when Facebook went offline people couldn’t even access government services or health services)

    fearout , in The temperature in China hit 52.2°C (126°F)
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    Reposting my comment from another similar thread ‘cause I think it’s kind of important to add.

    Ok, so it doesn’t mention wet bulb temperature anywhere, so I went to figure it out. The first thing I was surprised with is apparently most of online calculators don’t take in values higher than 50C.

    I couldn’t find the exact data about humidity for that day, but it has been 35-40%+ at a minimum for most days in that region, sometimes even reaching 90%.

    So, 52C at around 40% humidity is 37.5C in wet bulb temp. The point of survivability is around 35, and most humans should be able to withstand 37.5 for several hours, but it’s much worse for sick or elderly. 39 is often a death sentence even for healthy humans after just two hours — your body can no longer lose heat and you bake from the inside. That’s like having an unstoppable runaway fever. And with that humidity it’s reached at 54C.

    We’re dangerously close to that.

    beigeoat ,
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    From what I know the critical wet bulb temperature is ~31.5°C. it was from a study done last year.

    theguardian.com/…/why-you-need-to-worry-about-the…

    fearout ,
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    It’s a bit different depending on your health and all that. But 35 WBT is a definite point for everyone (since our bodies run at 36–37C). Kinda like the difference between “some will die” and “most will die”.

    beigeoat ,
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    I mean to say that the wet bulb temperature at which most will die is ~31.5°C, the gaurdian report I linked is saying that the 35°C number comes from a 2010 study, whereas the findings of the 2022 study found the number to be much lower ~31.5°C.

    fearout , (edited )
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    It’s probably a measure for persistent temperature then. Like, if you lock someone in a room at that temperature (or if it wouldn’t cool down at night, for example), then that person would be dead no matter what after some amount of hours or days.

    35 is more of a real-life guideline, since it does cool down at night and you don’t need to withstand this temperature persistently and indefinitely.

    And for the last several years there have been lots of places that exceeded 31.5 WBT during the day. Hell, you can probably find several places with that WBT right now. But since people don’t drop dead immediately and need time to heat up, it’s still survivable.

    Think about it in terms of a 2D graph. You need to know the duration in addition to temperature to gauge survivability. A million degrees is survivable for a femtosecond, 35 for an average earth day, and ~31 indefinitely.

    PeleSpirit ,

    From @beigegat’s article it says that from real expieriences it’s 31.5C

    The oft-cited 35C value comes from a 2010 theoretical study. However, research co-authored by Kenney this year found that the real threshold our bodies can tolerate could be far lower. “Our data is actual human subject data and shows that the critical wet-bulb temperature is closer to 31.5C,” he says.

    Aux ,

    If that was true, people would die in Russian sauna - 80-90° at 100% humidity with 10-20 minute sessions.

    fearout , (edited )
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    Well, people do die in saunas. More often than you might think. And those who can sit through 20 minutes are usually already accustomed to them, it’s not like people can sit for a long time the first time. Stick an unprepared elderly person there and it’s often not going to end well.

    Also, right after intense sauna sessions (and in between as well) people dunk themselves into very cold plunge pools or snowdrifts to quickly cool off.

    And you got the temperature/humidity ratios wrong. 100% humidity is used in a hammam, a Turkish-style steam room, and those are kept at around 45-55C. Russian saunas never exceed 90%, most are kept at around 70%.

    Have you been to one and looked at the hydrometer? It’s really hard to raise the humidity above 70–80%, and the usual for most people 1-2 ladles per ~10 mins barely raises the humidity above 60%.

    Aux ,

    Yes, been to a lot of times.

    AssPennies ,

    I read that as 1-2 ladies per ~10 min… talk about death by snu snu.

    eek2121 ,

    An absolute death sentence for folks without air conditioning or another means to stay cool.

    Pixlbabble ,

    Time to make some mud and make like pigs I suppose?

    Shardikprime ,

    I know the predator movie was preparing us for something

    synae ,
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    Dillon! You son of a bitch

    Shardikprime ,

    Heterosexual engorged arm penises grabbing ensues

    Crucible_Fodder ,

    wet mud would be hotter than you can survive to for a long period of time

    fermuch ,
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    That works, until… Until the power goes out because everyone has their AC on maximum. After that, it becomes a fight of who has a bigger generator and more gas stored, or who has solar power for the AC.

    Crucible_Fodder ,

    Yeah, that makes me think that data was just wrong. Every homeless in the area would be dead with those temps and humidities.

    cley_faye ,

    Homeless have been dying during summer and winter for years. It’s just, as with too many things, the new normal and not newsworthy. If they started dying from critical weather I’m not sure we would even know.

    ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

    Every homeless in the area would be dead with those temps and humidities.

    Shhhh … don’t give the elites running our planet another reason to ignore global warming.

    AstroKevin ,

    I don’t want to be rude, and I completely am all for combating climate change, but 39C is not baking your insides…

    I have been deployed to multiple places that were 52C (~125F) in the day/night with high humidity levels, in full long sleeve/pants for 8 hours at a time. 39C (~102F) is hot, but not bake you from the inside type of hot.

    Elderly and sick are people not included in what I said above for obvious reasons.

    fearout ,
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    I find it pretty funny that people are arguing both “35 WBT is pretty fine” and “31.5 WBT is a death sentence”.

    Yet somewhere in that range seems to be the consensus for an actual “your body is on the clock and you’re not surviving it for a prolonged time” situation.

    I don’t know your personal experience and how dangerous it was in regards to temperature, but high temperature environments start feeling pretty humid at like ~50%, so you still pretty much need an actual temperature/humidity reading to gauge it correctly.

    So guys, take it to the scientists :) I’m not talking out of my ass here, rather quoting research data. There are a couple dozen papers listed in the link above, and most seem to agree on the dangerous temp region. Read their methodology and reasoning if you’re interested to learn more.

    AstroKevin ,

    Oh I’m not arguing it’s a hot temp and exerting yourself in those temps is very much a death sentence; especially without water. I’m saying that many people in the world have lived through those temperatures. Research studies have a way of making things a bit more dire than what is normally human survivable, probably for legal/medical moral reasons.

    The US military definitely has rules against 40+ WBT and state how many hours of work per hours of rest we could have in high temp+humidity levels. However, I, and anyone who had to deploy or live in East Africa (like Djibouti) or the Middle East can definitely attest, 50WBT is survivable for 8 hours days. Again, not talkin’ elderly or sick persons.

    peterpan520 , in Iran's morality police to resume headscarf patrols

    Yeah… That’s why you can’t never trust an autocratic regime.

    darkentries , in 'A lot of blood in the water.' Why actors' and writers' strikes are a big blow to Hollywood studios

    It’s gonna be a big year for YouTubers!

    MicroWave OP , in Canadian wildfires put nearly 60 million US residents under air quality alerts
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    From Montana to New York, forecasters predicted nearly 60 million people would see decreased visibility and poor air quality, including residents of Chicago, Detroit, New York, St. Louis, Cedar Rapids and Cleveland.

    Nepenthe , (edited ) in 'A lot of blood in the water.' Why actors' and writers' strikes are a big blow to Hollywood studios
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    We’re looking at class warfare,” Nathanson said. “It’s become more than just about their work agreements, but also about statements they want to make about society and fairness. Working-class people are looking to take their anger out on the studio executives."

    The subtle insinuation in that phrasing, that the executives are not at fault here, but merely benevolent rulers upon whose heads their workforce has spitefully misplaced the blame. AI capabilities have significantly improved, and now the human writers are demanding unnecessary expenses like money and job security. Pah!

    A strike is certainly not the outcome we hoped for as studios cannot operate without the performers that bring our TV shows and films to life,” the [Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers] said. “The union has regrettably chosen a path that will lead to financial hardship for countless thousands of people who depend on the industry.”

    Privately, company executives say their businesses won’t feel much financial pain for several months. Without widespread production, costs will be lower, which translates into higher profits — at least in the short term.

    Studios also are expected to begin canceling TV writers’ overall deals to find more savings.

    So it's just gonna be war, then.

    stopthatgirl7 OP ,
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    I couldn’t help but notice how the article didn’t even mention the studio exec who said the plan was to wait until writers stating losing their homes before negotiating.

    If there’s class warfare happening, they fired first.

    Nepenthe ,
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    I really hope that knowledge only emboldens them. There needs to be a contingency plan for when this point is reached. The most important action in this situation is to band closer and prop your colleagues up instead of crumbling, or they'll keep using the tactic to force workers on their knees.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    They seem to be forgetting they need celebrities to promote their movies and shows. None of them will be doing press junkets. Not even podcasts. Do they think their PR departments can replace something like that? Sure, maybe that won’t stop people from going to see the next Marvel blockbuster, but it’s not going to be good for their industry as a whole.

    Arotrios , in Biden's election war chest trails Trump's in size, filings show
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    The article is a bit misleading as it's only comparing presidential campaign amounts, and Biden is only $2 million behind Trump ($20mil to $22mil), but combined with the Democratic Party accounts, he's at $77 million. Trump still has to face a contested primary, Biden is unlikely to face any serious challengers.

    What's more interesting to me is that Trump has pulled in less than half of what he had at this point in the election cycle last time around ($56mil). This clearly indicates that the major GOP donors have pulled their support, at least until he wins the primary. While it's unlikely that money will flow to Democrats, I think it indicates a willingness on their part to sit out this cycle until the GOP gets its finances in order. No one likes being ripped off.

    zombuey OP ,

    very good insight. I am not sure that the article is misleading as much as its just stating the facts without speculating further.

    novibe , in China should be pressured on climate issues, US national security adviser says

    Ah yes, China, the biggest investor in Green energy. They should follow the US’ lead instead I guess?

    Cromulons , in Florida ocean temperatures peak to almost 100 degrees amid heatwave: "You really can't cool off"

    Welcome to Salmonella Beach!

    Lynchy , in The temperature in China hit 52.2°C (126°F)
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    That’s hot 🥵

    AToM_exe ,

    Can confirm, am sweaty.

    JustCopyingOthers , in Biden's election war chest trails Trump's in size, filings show

    AIUI the small print during donation allows for skimming off a fraction of any donations away from his campaigning to a corporation association with finding his court cases.

    Alterforlett , in Facebook, Instagram face Norwegian ban from tracking users for ads

    Although the fine is nothing to meta, I guess if more countries follow and they make it permanent it’ll have an impact. Either way a step in the right direction

    Ricaz ,
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    They’re also fighting the whole of EU for the same reasons. We won’t be getting Threads any time soon either

    VanillaGorilla ,

    Good. Fuck meta

    Holyhandgrenade ,
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    I’m glad Threads isn’t available over here. I wouldn’t have signed up either way but I’m sure a lot of people I know would have, so I would’ve been alienated from them.

    sibachian ,
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    i don’t support the idea of federating with threads; but as the platform is not available in europe - if they did activate federation, europeans would in theory flock to whatever instance federated with threads. which could be a boon for the wider fediverse; and could earn pixelfed and similar platforms room for competition with instagram etc.

    Alperto ,

    the fine is the less important, the fine is the big deal here. Not because Norway will be big enough to make them to change, but because it can send the example for the EU and other countries and if the rest of the world (I have very little hope for the US to go against a corporation) bans Facebook, then they’ll have to move and change their antics.

    Chozo , in The temperature in China hit 52.2°C (126°F)

    Have you ever had a friend or relative who was just in such poor health, who you basically expected to keel over and die any day now? If so, you probably know what I mean when you eventually just accept that the person you once knew is already dead, and all that's left is a husk that's just riding out the last bit of momentum they've got until they fade away. And then when they finally do die, it doesn't even hurt, because you've already had time to grieve and process your emotions in advance.

    That's kinda how I feel about the earth these days. I feel like the earth is on hospice care, and at that point that we're just making it as comfortable as we can for it to die.

    Maybe that's a little melodramatic. But it really does just feel hopeless these days.

    chemical_cutthroat ,

    It's not Earth that's in trouble...

    Mog_fanatic ,

    Yeah I feel like this is just like when the body gets a fever to get rid of a sickness. The earth is just getting a little fever to get rid of our dumbasses real quick. Then it will go right back to normal and be completely fine.

    spicystraw ,

    If it's any consolation. Earth, as in the spinning ball of dirt, will be just fine for many more millions of years. Humans, and other animal species, on the other hand are not going to be fine if the trend continuous.

    Dunno, I find it kind of consoling in a meloncolic kind of way.

    Hank ,

    It's not the first mass extinction and it will not be the last.

    Frittiert ,

    But it is the only one we get to partake in!

    SolarNialamide ,

    But it is the only one we get to partake in cause

    Ftfy

    Arotrios ,
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    I feel you. I don't think it's hopeless, but I do think we're in for a rough ride. That being said, I actually have a lot of faith in the upcoming generation. I think that if they get angry enough, they have the potential to arrest what's happening and even turn it around given how well they work together. Greta gets a lot of hate, but hell, I haven't seen someone make as successful a series of environmental stands since Julia Butterfly. If her generation keeps showing that fire, I think there's still hope for humans to live in harmony with the earth.

    DogMuffins ,

    Me too.

    Shit is fucked. There are unavoidable problems on the way, but I do have faith in today’s generation.

    SolarNialamide ,

    As much as I also have hope in the next generation, there isn’t a damn thing we can do anymore. If every single human being disappeared right now, the earth would continue warming and experiencing climate change for 100s more years, because of the feedback loops we have set in motion and the fact that the ocean is still dampening some effects, but won’t be able to for long. Our only hope to avert complete disaster, collapse of society and maybe even the extinction of humanity is if we find a way to start pulling massive amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere ASAP. Carbon neutrality isn’t enough, we need to be carbon negative. If zoomers can get that done, in time, then they’re a whole other fucking class of human. I hope they do, but I think the odds are against them and all of us.

    dust_accelerator ,

    Fever is a tried and tested method in nature to eliminate infections which become too detrimental to the host.

    It will be very much that way if we can’t evolve to a symbiotic relationship with our planet.

    morgan_423 ,
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    Indeed. Everyone says they are worried about the Earth.

    In geologic time scales, Earth will be fine. Humans, and in much shorter time scales? Not so much, if we don’t get it together.

    Coreidan ,

    Humans are toast no matter what. The party had to end eventually. We had a good run.

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