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Iapar , (edited ) in 4 wounded at Brooklyn train station when officers shoot man wielding knife

“DROP THE KNIFE OR I SHOOT EVERYBODY!”

uberdroog , in Trump Directly Blames Harris and Biden’s Words for the Latest Attempt On His Life: ‘Their Rhetoric is Causing Me to Be Shot at’
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NoneOfUrBusiness , in US Naval Academy to defend race-conscious admissions policies at trial

Why do people care so much about this? Like seriously this is the thing you go to court over?

Flocklesscrow ,

Racism

Blackmist , in The first graders who survived Sandy Hook will vote in their first presidential election

This is my unsurprised face as 40%+ of them continue to vote republican, just like their parents always have.

nutsack , (edited )

i imagine that i would want to conceal carry. I don’t know that conceal carry rights are actually in danger, but I can see why conservatives are worried about it

Honytawk ,

Not a single civilized country has this issue.

So it says a lot about America

ArcaneSlime ,

They also don’t already have about 600,000,000 guns in just under 50% of the country’s hands with no registry to know where/who has what, a population resistant to relinquishing their arms, and a right to arms enshrined in their constitutions.

Pandora’s box has been opened.

Furthermore, we also have more knife crime than those other countries, and guns can be quite effective at dissuading a knife wielding attacker (ask me how I know!) So even if we had better gun laws, it’d still be prudent to carry because of all the stabbings.

SmilingSolaris ,

Your safety against knife attacks isn’t more important than society’s safety against guns.

ArcaneSlime ,

Just say you want me to die, I won’t be mad at you.

I will judge you, but that’s a human condition.

SmilingSolaris ,

Very self centered way to read that. Would you not prefer a world where school shootings are significantly more rare but you didn’t have a gun when you feel you needed one? Crazy. If I was you, I’d prefer the one where I’m dead.

ArcaneSlime , (edited )

Yet the outcome is still the same, you just spin it so me being dead is the favorable option through posing a false dichotomy as if me owning guns (never been nor will be a school shooter) is somehow directly tied to school shootings, it isn’t, yet it did directly keep me alive the one time I was unfortunate enough to have to pull it (guy with knife said “nevermind” and walked away, I don’t think the cops ever caught him and that was the last I heard of it.)

We need to prevent people who shouldn’t have them from having them, but not in such a way that can be abused by racist/-phobic sheriffs and governers, and still allow the people who can handle the responsibility the ability to. Pointless feature or gun type bans or just making things more expensive like we mostly seem to push for are not it, they’re just another vector to keep the poor (and largely marginalized POC) down while allowing the rich in their gated communities to skate by, like the drug war. Frankly we need to actually fix the underlying socioeconomic issues like wealth inequality for instance that cause the violence to begin with rather than attempt to wish away the tools people use to commit the violence. It’s harder yes (well, maybe, it actually might be easier than removing 600,000,000 guns and stopping all violent crime by force, that’s harder than you’re giving it credit for), but it’ll actually work better than the bullshit we keep trying to pass now, and it’ll solve more than just the violence.

But for now, until we fix that, because there’s still so much gun/knife crime, disarming people who are not a problem only serves to make them victims if they do get attacked. Go after the people who are the problem, charge them with something before they buy a gun so they can’t pass a check (don’t just ignore 41 calls about one kid so he can shoot up parkland, for instance) and try and fix the issues that drive them towards such acts.

You may prefer to be a victim than to defend yourself, that is your right and I won’t take that from you, but I’m also not going to go after people, who have done nothing wrong, who would rather defend themselves just because some other people did something bad.

SmilingSolaris ,
todd_bonzalez ,
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This is 100% on brand for a gun-nut. “Everyone who disagrees with me wants me dead”.

Calm down. Living your life lead entirely by fear must be exhausting.

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  • ArcaneSlime ,

    I think the whole point of pandora’s box is that you don’t contain it at all once it has been opened, but I could be rusty on my mythology.

    SmilingSolaris ,

    If only that 1st grade class were conceal carrying smh.

    todd_bonzalez ,
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    I don’t know that conceal carry rights are actually in danger, but I can see why conservatives are worried about it

    This is such a stupid thing to say. “I know that they are completely wrong, but I understand why they feel they way they do”. Why empathize with liars with violent paranoia?

    They’re still fucking wrong. Fuck their fragile, gullible feelings.

    SSJMarx , (edited )

    I would be a responsible gun owner

    -Every single gun owner (self included ofc)

    blunderworld , in ‘Appalling And Indefensible’: Elon Musk Incites Rage Online After Claiming No One Is ‘Trying to Assassinate Biden/Kamala’

    Do we really need a news article every single time this dumbass posts?

    FlyingSquid OP ,
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    When he violates federal law? Yes.

    CileTheSane ,
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    We need charges when he breaks the law more than News articles.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
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    Okay, well I can’t charge him. All I can do is raise awareness.

    CileTheSane ,
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    Could call on officials to press charges and encourage others to do likewise.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
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    I have no contacts at the United States Secret Service.

    Anyway, who have you called on to press charges?

    CileTheSane ,
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    I don’t live in the States, so I have no one to call. I am encouraging citizens to ask for enforcement of their laws.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
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    Again, I have no contacts in the United States Secret Service.

    Perhaps you should check on how our laws work before encouraging us to do things beyond our abilities.

    CileTheSane ,
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    4lan ,

    Give one single idea

    CileTheSane ,
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    dodgy_bagel , (edited ) in ‘Appalling And Indefensible’: Elon Musk Incites Rage Online After Claiming No One Is ‘Trying to Assassinate Biden/Kamala’

    Fellas, is it a crime to advocate for the assassination of the current vice president?

    Because that could be another one of Donald’s charges. Just saying.

    norimee ,

    Biden/Kamala

    Not just the current vice president. The current President of the United States.

    Easy to forget in this lunacy of an election campaign, but Biden is still president.

    djsoren19 ,

    no, but it’ll kill your career to joke about the assassination of a former president, because in this country we believe in double standards.

    dodgy_bagel ,

    Conservatives love the quote “the shrub of freedom needs to be watered with the blood of parrots from a time to another time”, so they’ve got a healthy dosage of normalizing violence.

    They also LARP about Rome, which had a long and storied tradition of assassination. Famously, citizens of the republic were encouraged to strangle anyone who tried to become King… right up until they didn’t.

    Anyway, the Romans weren’t always monsters; they just usually were.

    captainlezbian ,

    The United States is the truest successor to Rome, just the Roman republic. While others called themselves czar or Kaiser, we completely failed to create a functioning society but failed upwards by dint of knocking everyone else down

    orcrist ,

    Typically the first amendment is going to protect you when you say most things. The types of things you definitely don’t want to say are specific threats.

    But there was a sad situation in Colorado where the courts ruled that a guy could be locked up for saying that he wished that bad things fell upon some judges, even though he definitely didn’t say or imply that he was going to do them. So if you want to rely on the Colorado precedent, maybe there’s something to work with, but it’s a pretty terrible precedent.

    That all being said, let’s not wish death on anyone. Even if it’s someone who’s done horrible things, let’s just wish that they’re forced to retire early and either get locked up in prison, if they committed crimes, or live out there lives in miserable condition in some community that we never have to visit or think about.

    Fedizen ,

    you can wish death on dick cheney, as a treat

    captainlezbian ,

    The big thing seems to be “is there reason to believe that the person saying this believes it will cause people to illegally act in accordance”. I’m some lady on the internet, if I say Nazis should be punched I don’t think I’m going to convince anyone to actually do it, instead I think I’m contributing to a cultural milieu of hostility towards fascists. Elon musk has fans, he has a legitimate platform. He has every reason to think someone might shoot the vice president over this, especially since he’s calling to the same group that has already attempted to shoot the other presidential candidate twice in three months, and particularly because that group in question is people who voted for that guy.

    Tikiporch , in A thousand pigs just burned alive in a barn fire

    No fire suppression systems are required for livestock operations, although I do wonder if commercial operations are more safe than family farms where budget and age of structures could be a concern.

    Snapz , in Trump is safe, his campaign says, after a shooting is reported at his golf course.

    Can you think of anything less useful than a story with the source “according to the trump campaign”

    Sunforged , in Trump Directly Blames Harris and Biden’s Words for the Latest Attempt On His Life: ‘Their Rhetoric is Causing Me to Be Shot at’
    spankmonkey ,

    Wink, wink, straight arm raised salute awkwardly transitioned into a waving motion

    formergijoe ,
    KillerTofu ,

    …subtle

    vaultdweller013 ,

    That cunt needs are arm snapped in 10 different places.

    carbonari_sandwich , in Trump Directly Blames Harris and Biden’s Words for the Latest Attempt On His Life: ‘Their Rhetoric is Causing Me to Be Shot at’

    I’ve been thinking about why the assassination attempts have only just now started. I wonder if they become more likely when a politician or celebrity is seen as weakening in favor as opposed to when they are on the rise.

    RedditWanderer ,

    His base is turning on him, and they’re the degenerate weirdos who think the only way to save the republican movement is to kill Trump. They learned this brilliant tactic from Trump himself, he even gave them some training exercises with Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi.

    Trump has used and hurt his voter base a lot, I’m not surprised they’re coming back to get him.

    peopleproblems , in RFK Jr says he faces federal investigation for beheading whale

    So I got a dumb question - how do you know where to start cutting the whales head off?

    They ain’t got no neck

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
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    That neck goes alllll the way down you know what I mean?

    hperrin ,

    You start at the San Diego.

    OhStopYellingAtMe , in Trump Directly Blames Harris and Biden’s Words for the Latest Attempt On His Life: ‘Their Rhetoric is Causing Me to Be Shot at’
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    Bull. Shit. His allegiance to Putin is what caused him to be shot at this time.

    raynethackery , in US Naval Academy to defend race-conscious admissions policies at trial

    I would think this would be breaching the separation of powers.

    fpslem ,

    Hardly. The arguments against race-conscious admissions or affirmative action are generally based (unironically) in the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    Noel_Skum , in ‘Appalling And Indefensible’: Elon Musk Incites Rage Online After Claiming No One Is ‘Trying to Assassinate Biden/Kamala’

    Elon Musk is the joke. It’s just not funny.

    SaltySalamander , in Trump Directly Blames Harris and Biden’s Words for the Latest Attempt On His Life: ‘Their Rhetoric is Causing Me to Be Shot at’

    Trump, who completely lacks any ability to self-reflect, of course passes the blame on to someone else.

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