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the_post_of_tom_joad , (edited ) in Pentagon Data Shows High Suicide Rates Among Troops Exposed to Blasts

This correlation seems to have nothing to do with blast exposure as the title suggests From the article

The rates for these combat occupations are roughly twice those of service members who work in noncombat jobs like data processing or food service.

The article even mentions there isn’t any implied causation between blasts and non-blast exposed combat troops either in the data presented (except maybe a 4% difference in suicide rate between artillery crews and combat troops with less exposure). The data they are presenting* shows the largest drop in rate is between combat and non combat troops How can the author have this information and come away with this conclusion?

Aurix ,

The New York Times, that’s why. It’s a paper which drastically lost credibility.

Hegar ,
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The paragraph before the one you quoted says it:

Explosives ordinance disposal team members, who disable roadside bombs and routinely train and work around very large blasts, had the highest suicide rate — 34.77 deaths per 100,000 people per year — followed by infantry and special operations forces; armor crews; and artillery troops; whose rates are closer to 30 deaths per 100,000.

That's a 15% bump in suicide for the most blast exposed troops when compared to less blast exposed combat troops.

Obviously combat exposure vs not is going to have a large effect, but blast exposure seems to have a further effect on top the horrors of combat.

Also:

In the Air Force, where blast exposure is rare, there were no significant differences in suicide rates among different military occupations. But among Army and Marine Corps troops, the rates are elevated wherever blasts are part of daily work

The report presented the data, but made no attempt to grapple with the implications:

The report released on Wednesday does not mention blast exposure as a factor, and offers no insights into what may be contributing to the different suicide rates. Still, the correlation between deaths by suicide and levels of blast exposure is a common theme in the figures

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Alright, now here’s where i am ready to be wrong… How is an increasing suicide rate from 30 per 100k to 35 per 100k statistically significant? Am i even worse at math than i thought?

Hegar ,
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It's the same reason that an increase from a 0.0001% chance of something happening to a 0.0002% chance is a 100% increased chance of the thing happening.

More relevantly, 0.0003477% is ~ 15% bigger a number than 0.0003000%. The overall numbers are still low, but the increase is significant.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Well then i guess i am wrong, cuz i have to concede 15% is a significant difference. Thanks for explaining that. It still feels like artificial inflation of stats to my mind, but that’s just like, my opinion, man

Hegar ,
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Yep, NP!

paraphrand ,

Stats can be very unintuitive. You’re not alone.

rekorse ,

I remember reading over some logic - statistics “puzzles”, where the logic is sound if you follow step by step on paper, but for some reason your mind just has trouble grasping the concept which leads to confusion.

some_guy , in "Extreme": FBI says Trump shooter may be behind “antisemitic and anti-immigration” posts

First thing about him that makes complete sense.

snausagesinablanket , in Racist Donald Trump Says Kamala Harris 'Happened to Turn Black'.
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cygnus ,
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TFW you’re biased because you don’t both-sides human rights

Dran_Arcana ,

Overall, we rate LGBTQ Nation Left Biased based on story selection and wording that almost always favors the left. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting, rather than High, due to not labeling opinion pieces, which may mislead the reader.

I was with you until I clicked the link but that doesn’t seem like an entirely unreasonable take. One can be both “on the right side of history” and “intentionally or incompetently misleading”.

rbesfe ,

Why don’t you actually read the report instead of being a reactionary tool?

cygnus ,
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Holy shit dude, settle down.

Overall, we rate LGBTQ Nation Left Biased based on story selection and wording that almost always favors the left.

“The left” in this case presumably being “it’s OK to be gay” as opposed to “you are a sinner who will burn in hellfire”

faizalr , in Pentagon Data Shows High Suicide Rates Among Troops Exposed to Blasts
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Brain damage turns to brain dead.

xantoxis , in Donald Trump Claims Kamala Harris ‘Turned Black’ in Jaw-Dropping Slur

My jaw remains firmly in place. I was well prepared for this by his many, many, many other racist statements and actions.

FlyingSquid , in Ohio Man Sentenced to 66 Months in Prison After Threatening a Planned Parenthood
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Mohamed Waes

That was not what I was expecting.

Dran_Arcana ,

The color of ones skin does not preclude someone from being bigoted or hateful. It just determines which news network picks up the story.

FlyingSquid ,
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It wasn’t about skin color. It’s about religion. He might not be a Muslim, but his name suggests he likely is. It’s usually Christians who are doing this shit.

Treczoks ,

Isn’t it irrelevent which religion they use as a lame excuse to excert control over other people? Their primary trait is that they cannot allow other people to live their lives like they do, anything else is secondary.

FlyingSquid ,
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All I said was it wasn’t what I was expecting.

jadedwench ,

Without knowing the dude and assuming upbringing, think about their stereotypical culture. Abortion and I assume contraception isn’t exactly encouraged. Maybe I am an ignorant fuck about non-western cultures. Still upsets me that anyone threatens them at all.

All I do know is I appreciate the hell out of that organization and was the only way I could afford healthcare for a long time. I try to go to them no matter what so they get money and I can continue to see the people I always have.

The stories that women shared with me in the waiting room are absolutely heartbreaking. Such as men sabotaging their birth control. They have to sneak on a bus while he is at work, with their kids in tow, to get the depo shot. That is one of the tame stories.

Fucking POS protesters were around where the parade was for Pride a couple weeks ago. I always flip off any protesters for PP. Childish? Yes. Will that stop me? Absolutely not.

FlyingSquid ,
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I believe abortion is only permitted if the mother’s life is in danger in Islam, but this is the first time I’ve heard of someone who sounds like they might be a Muslim threatening a Planned Parenthood in the U.S.

jadedwench ,

Hmm. Hard to say. I admit I was bad and didn’t read the article until now. He threatened them over the phone, which is a hell of a lot easier than in person. I think the point of the article is to show that someone was actually punished for it and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was racial bias that resulted him getting punished over some white nutjob.

How diverse is Indiana? I spent a few months in Fort Wayne and it was very very white. Ohio is a weird one though I have spent a lot of time there too. New York is pretty diverse. I think the other person was right though that the news skews what is reported on.

Sad part is how much PP has had to increase security over the last 10-15 years. No more walking through the front door. They keep the doors locked and have to buzz you in. Wouldn’t be surprised if some locations have security guards and more protection for their employees and patients.

EleventhHour , in US denies involvement in killing of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh.
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Did Israel use someone else’s weapons to kill him?

toast , in Donald Trump Claims Kamala Harris ‘Turned Black’ in Jaw-Dropping Slur

That’s a weird thing to say

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qooqie , in Racist Donald Trump Says Kamala Harris 'Happened to Turn Black'.

Remember how people were betting when he’d say something openly racist? Bets were September, turns out it was June!

wreleven ,
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It’s July.

abaddon ,

And only July for today. You ok qooqie?

groupofcrows ,

Qooqie time travelled from the past to warn us about a grave threat in our past… These Marvel movies keep getting worse since End Game.

GBU_28 ,

I did not consent to July.

ahornsirup ,

Well, good news for you: it’s August now.

girlfreddy , in U.K. police open criminal investigation into Washington Post publisher
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Ok, now that’s funny as hell. I definitely didn’t have it on my 2024 bingo card.

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girlfreddy , in Donald Trump Claims Kamala Harris ‘Turned Black’ in Jaw-Dropping Slur
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Whelp, so much for the Black vote. That’s a prime FAFO moment for him.

kaitco ,

And, after all the momentum he’d made in the black community by offering gold sneakers and taking a bullet!

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

You joke, but even though it’s not those obviously racist things causing it, a pretty astounding percentage of black voters were switching from Biden to Trump (by no means a majority, but like double-digit percentage increase), according to polling before the drop-out.

I’m really hopeful this and Kamala reversed that trend.

toast , in Guantanamo inmate accused of being main plotter of 9/11 attacks to plead guilty

We had a Saudi prince in custody?

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