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Pons_Aelius , (edited ) in ‘Everything you’ve been told is a lie!’ Inside the wellness-to-fascism pipeline

I started doing Yoga 25 years ago after fracturing a couple of vertebrae and needing to learn to walk/move again. It literally saved me from a life lead in an opiate haze to control the pain.

That said, this article comes as no surprise as there has always been an undercurrent of of bat-shit crazy control freaks in the "alternative movement".

Blamemeta , in ‘Everything you’ve been told is a lie!’ Inside the wellness-to-fascism pipeline

What isn’t a pipeline to facism?

Protoknuckles ,

Antifascism? I hope?

Aesthesiaphilia ,

You'd think so, but I knew a guy

Blamemeta ,

Ironically, antifa is fascism. Its like they lack self awareness.

CaptainAniki ,

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  • Blamemeta ,

    Well, go down the list of what makes fascism fascism, and they meet like 80 to 100% of them, depending on what list you use.

    Aceticon ,

    It’s complicated because some antifa are just a different bunch of mindless tribalists.

    It really depends if you ended up antifa for social reasons (mainly being part of something) or for having thinked a lot about what are your principles and politics and figured out that haters have to be stopped early, before they get to the stage were they’re hurting lots of people - the latter kind will likely also spot hate replacing reason in themselves and thus stop it before they hurt somebody who might very well be innocent.

    Sadly a fraction of self-proclaimed antifa are just another hater mob, just raging against different groups of people than the fascists, which is how you end up with things like cruxifiction-by-social-media against people for the sin of not treating slogans as Sacred Truth.

    theneverfox ,
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    I like the antifa who go up and punch people saying horrible shit - I feel like getting punched is a fair reaction to calling for genocide. It’s visceral, it makes a point, and the guy on stage probably deserves to be hit.

    I don’t like the ones that try to police the Internet and exclude anyone with extreme views. Engaging people like that is the only way to make them less extreme. Isolating them only shows them their only companionship will be through their little cults

    I support strongly free speech, I just think sometimes getting punched is a fair response

    Aceticon ,

    Yeah, I think the same.

    As I see it, when one decides that the Rules Of Society shouldn’t limit their own words and actions towards others, its only fair that the Rules Of Society also don’t protect them from the words and actions of others towards them - “live by the sword, die by the sword” and all that.

    Piers ,

    Engaging people like that is the only way to make them less extreme.

    Tolerating people like that is the best way to let them chip away at and destroy a decent tolerant society.

    theneverfox ,
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    Not tolerate - engage.

    You challenge them, maybe just tell them what they’re saying is wrong, ideally you gently prod them to acknowledge conflicts in their ideology.

    We have to offer them a path back to acceptance or they’ll always be on the other side, ever growing in number

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
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    Libraries!

    Blamemeta ,

    Plenty of fascists got their start reading 1984 and distrusting the news.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
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    I said libraries, not books!

    Piers ,

    I mean… That seems like an argument for equipping people with better literacy skills given that any competent reading of 1984 would turn you away from fascism.

    Blamemeta ,

    I don’t know man, with how misused the term is these days, not trusting the government is fascism. And a proper reading of it certainly gives you a distrust of the machine.

    Piers ,

    not trusting the government is fascism.

    That absolutely is not fascism. Stop listening to bullshit that’s designed to piss you off and drive a wedge between you and others.

    grue ,

    how misused the term is these days

    The term isn’t becoming more misued; more people are accurately fitting the definition.

    HeartyBeast ,
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    … an almost infinite number of things?

    I’ll start.

    1. Knitting socks
    MaryReadsBooks ,
    1. Pipeline to Antifacism
    elbarto777 ,
    1. Baking cookies.
    Roundcat ,
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    "Step one, add only the whitest flour, free from any impurities."

    FlyingSquid ,
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    They bake cookies. They bake them in swastika shapes.

    elbarto777 ,

    Well, fuck!

    fiat_lux ,

    You should check out the cottage-core tradwife trend going around. Some extremist Christians are doing the "going off grid" and "back to our heritage" thing on social media.

    JustZ ,
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    Some of them are doing this and then freezing to death with their whole shitty family.

    Blamemeta ,

    Somepeople think being a tradwife is fascism, and that would include knitting socks.

    Roundcat ,
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    I think anything can be twisted into a pipeline to fascism if prominent people within a community are pushing it. Let's take My Little Pony for example. You would think that would be the last place for fascism to foment, but there are certain communities online that have pushed it in that direction.

    atzanteol ,

    The way people define fascism today? Everything is fascism. It’s fascist for you to even ask this!

    dx1 ,

    Not really. People use the word in a pretty measured way. Usually people with fascist views just say that because they’re offended at being described accurately and want to try to rationalize it away.

    atzanteol ,

    People use “fascism” when they mean “authoritarian”. But that’s not a fun Italian word with Hitler connotations.

    dx1 ,

    They mean fascism.

    theodewere ,
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    Doctor Xavier's School for Gifted Children

    Anticorp ,

    Love and acceptance?

    Pratai , in ‘Everything you’ve been told is a lie!’ Inside the wellness-to-fascism pipeline

    Are you trying to tell me that easily manipulated mindless clowns flock to fringe conspiracies and bullshit pseudo-science filled snake-oil wellness programs?

    Color me surprised!

    girlfreddy ,
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    @Pratai @btaf45

    You didn't read the article.

    Pratai ,

    I read it in its entirety.

    btaf45 OP ,

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  • Roundcat ,
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    I don't think she meant to mention you. OP is a mastodon user, and it automatically mentions the OP plus the person you are replying to when creating a response.

    btaf45 OP ,

    Oh I see.

    Aesthesiaphilia ,

    The article threw out a lot of potential reasons but the unsaid part about all of them was that they wouldn't be an issue if so many people weren't so goddamn stupid.

    Isolation?

    Mistrust of the government?

    Poor treatment of women's health?

    In all cases, it takes two parts to drive someone to conspiracy theories. A catalyst like one of the above, plus fuel of pure goddamn stupidity.

    Hypersapien , in California judge charged with killing wife had 47 guns, 26,000 rounds of ammunition: Court documents

    Let me guess. Conservative?

    Ghostalmedia ,
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    Orange County. Lots of guns. Fairly safe bet.

    gayhitler420 , in California judge charged with killing wife had 47 guns, 26,000 rounds of ammunition: Court documents

    If I could afford a million dollar bail I’d probably buy 69 guns too.

    MicroWave OP , in Massachusetts passed a 4% millionaire's tax last year. Now every public school student is going to get free lunch
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    State House News Service, an independently owned news wire, reported that $1 billion of the state’s record $56.2 billion fiscal budget for 2024 came from the state’s new 4% tax on millionaires. Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey signed the budget on Wednesday, making Massachusetts the eighth state to adopt a free school lunch plan since federal free school lunches which started during the COVID-19 pandemic ended.

    wrath-sedan ,
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    COVID response is wild because for like 2 years we had a robust expansion of both direct government aid and healthcare coverage and accessibility, and the poof most of it disappeared. Like we literally had free healthcare at point of service for one disease which is crazy.

    Great to see that at least some states responding to the demand for these heightened services. We should be pointing towards the example of COVID aid to show what the government can do if the public pressure is there. If we did it once we can do it again!

    Pons_Aelius , in Texas Revamps Houston Schools, Closing Libraries and Angering Parents

    Under-performing? Surely the solution is to remove resources from the school, that will certainly improve test scores...

    girlfreddy , in ‘Everything you’ve been told is a lie!’ Inside the wellness-to-fascism pipeline
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @btaf45

    "Thanks to hundreds of years of treating the male body as the default in medicine, we simply do not know enough about how disease manifests in the female body."

    This is big one. I'm a woman who's been misdiagnosed for the simplest of things. Twice I've blown my ACL, and both times it took 6-8 months to diagnose ... even tho the first time I pulled the ACL right off the bone. My rotator cuff took 20 yrs. All because women aren't supposed to hurt themselves at work.

    I'm sick of the BS

    rephlekt2718 ,
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    Awful to hear about stuff like this, it continues to blow my mind how privileged men are without even realizing it.

    LouNeko ,

    That privilege had its price.
    Our medical knowledge didn’t come from from doctors sitting down with pen and paper and figuring stuff out. It came from field research, trail and error on alive and dead subjects. Subjects that two world wars provided by the millions. It just so happened to be that those subjects were mostly white men between 14 and 50 years of age in dire need of medical treatment. Naturally our knowledge of male physiology skyrocketed during and after that period. On the contrary, when it comes to psychology, men are light years behind women. While trying to “”“cure female hysteria”“”, we got a far deeper look into the function of our brains on the female side than on the male side. Even though most of these women took part as voluntarily as someone would take shrapnel in the war. I’m trying to say that it’s not just as simple as men or women have it better, it all boils down to historical availability of patients for research.

    girlfreddy ,
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    @LouNeko @rephlekt2718

    It also developed from scientists trying to keep things simple. Women's bodies are a lot more complicated than men's in terms of varying ratios of hormones, pregnancy, etc that have to be accounted for in studies. Same reason HeLa cells and genetically-identical mice are used.

    It's still not a justifiable reason to neglect 50% of the population under the incorrect assumption that human physiology is the same across the board.

    Piers ,

    It’s still not a justifiable reason to neglect 50% of the population under the incorrect assumption that human physiology is the same across the board.

    I’m not sure who’s worse. The people planning research who still mistakenly believe that it’s correct to just study one group and presume it applies to a group that would have been more complicated to study or the ones who know it doesn’t work that way but just pretend it does because it’s more convenient.

    Don’t get me wrong, there are contexts where doing an imperfect job now and trying to fill in the details later is the best strategy. But I don’t believe that’s actually what’s going on most of the time.

    JoBo ,

    It’s true that wartime produces massive leaps forward in all sorts of technology. And the military does use and abuse soldiers (of all sexes) for research. But patients involved in medical research are almost always ordinary people, recruited by their doctors. And we’ve only been doing medical research properly since the 1970s, after the thalidomide scandal happened. The first randomised controlled trial was conducted in 1948.

    Most trials avoid recruiting pregnant women, despite the fact that if the trials are successful the treatments will be used in pregnant women (unless known to be mutagenic from animal studies) without any testing at all.

    And many trials exclude women because of the risk of pregnancy, or hormonal fluctuations making it more complicated to interpret results (despite hormonal fluctuations in men being just as wild but much less predictable).

    I know you feel hard done by. But your perspective is warped. We still have medical professionals debating whether the female orgasm exists, FFS.

    grue ,

    While trying to “”“cure female hysteria”“”, we got a far deeper look into the function of our brains on the female side than on the male side.

    As far as I know, treatments for “hysteria” tended to range from quackery at best to sexual assault at worst. You’re going to have to do a lot better than a bare unsupported asstertion if you want me to believe science actually learned anything of value from it.

    LouNeko ,

    That’s why I put it in triple quotes, because I know that hysteria research is questionable at best and straight torture at worst.

    JBloodthorn ,
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    Not just medicine, also things like crash safety. Female crash test dummies just entered use in the past couple of years, and still aren't required.

    DessertStorms ,
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    Yeah, people often talk about scammers and grifters and how "insert-ableist-slurs" and "gullible" people who believe them are, but none of those "I'd ever fall for that!!1" types ever look at why people were so easily convinced, what large chunks of care are missing in society that people have no choice but to be drawn to the "alternatives" no matter how bogus or even dangerous - at some point the system has let you down so dramatically that even if it did finally offer a solution, you'd have no reason to trust it.

    The result of which is instead of trying to better the system so that fewer people get treated poorly or not at all, they just shift the blame to those who fell victim to the scan, and can pat themselves on the back for being "better" without actually doing fuck all but ridicule vulnerable people.

    People like that are just as much a part of the problem - the grifters give them someone to ridicule and feel superior to, they pander to the ego of the "unconvinced" as much as, if not more, than to the ego of the people they're trying to scam, giving that (ego boost) up even if it is to do the right thing (but in favour of those these individuals see as lesser) just doesn't make sense to them.

    Piers ,

    It’s such an exhausting problem that so many people hold society back from meeting everyone’s needs, because society fails to meet everyone’s needs and thereby creates people who hold society back from meeting everyone’s needs, because…

    It feels like being locked in a room full of people flinging shit at each other because they are mad that people won’t stop flinging shit at them and everytime you try to gently suggest they all just stop flinging shit they just start flinging it at you until you shut up.

    DessertStorms ,
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    Crab mentality is by design, and the only way out is to look at who's fucking bucket it is.

    So

    it’s such an exhausting problem that so many people hold society back from meeting everyone’s needs

    while this is true on the surface, to find the core of the problem you have to look at who actually benefit from this state of affairs and never forget that it's those few who hold society back, not the many people they pit against each other to stop us from turning on them.

    CalvinCopyright ,

    How does one find those few people? And how can they be worked against? I honestly don’t know and I don’t know how to find out. Do I ask ChatGPT???

    Shit, maybe I should ask ChatGPT…

    okmko ,

    There is definitely a small set of powerful, rich, and influential people who “benefit”, but I don’t think it’s a pyramid of nefarious overlords so much as it is just a large web of people acting on their own interests.

    The same could be said for people with crab mentality. They are acting on their impulses, values, and opinions, born from likely unfortunate circumstances, when they drag their immediate others down. They aren’t thinking about holding society back at large.

    Plus, quite often things are the way they are because of historical inertia. It’s why historians place make such a big deal about continuity. For example, many laws we have can be traced back to some series of awful events that happened to a set of people. But those awful events were probably caused by yet another set of awful circumstances.

    If you’re looking for some group of people to blame for all of your woes, you might just become a fascist.

    DessertStorms , (edited )
    @DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

    If you’re looking for some group of people to blame for all of your woes, you might just become a fascist.

    right, because looking to free yourself from the grip of fascism = fascism.

    But hey, thanks for the live demonstration of how a crab in a bucket might actively keep themselves and others in that bucket!

    You "enlightened" centrists never cease to amaze me with the bullshit you pull out.

    okmko , (edited )

    You’re entirely reading what you want to read out of my words, and then promptly applying some vague label as if you’re somehow the most enlightened yourself. As if, probabilistically, we both aren’t in very similar circumstances being here this very moment in the system that you seem to so despite.

    girlfreddy ,
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    Piers ,

    There is definitely a small set of powerful, rich, and influential people who “benefit”, but I don’t think it’s a pyramid of nefarious overlords so much as it is just a large web of people acting on their own interests.

    The same could be said for people with crab mentality. They are acting on their impulses, values, and opinions, born from likely unfortunate circumstances, when they drag their immediate others down. They aren’t thinking about holding society back at large.

    Those are all just crabs in the bucket. Some of the more aggressively single-minded ones are nearer to the top of the pile than others.

    DessertStorms ,
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    I don't actually think you're asking in good faith with the bot joke, but if you really care you don't need to look that hard, they are literally all around you (the person who pays your wages, the person who collects your rent, the government that allows them to continue to do so), you just need to open your eyes to how they exploit you and the rest of society.

    It's called capitalism, look it up.

    And no, abolishing capitalism isn't fascism, it's quite literally the opposite (since capitalism in decay leads directly to fascism as we can see being demonstrated around us in real time).
    The other person saying that targeting an individual group of people turns you in to a fascist is full of shit in this instance - capitalism isn't a marginalised or oppressed group it is an active marginalisation and oppressing system, and standing up to oppressors does not equal oppression, it's literally liberation.

    speck ,

    It certainly feels like a runaway process

    oleorun , in 2 eject from vintage Soviet jet before crash at Michigan air show
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    The next Farmers Insurance commercial…

    Gsus4 , in Massachusetts passed a 4% millionaire's tax last year. Now every public school student is going to get free lunch
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    It’s easier to sell a tax hike if you know exactly where it’s going :)

    theragu40 ,

    Unless you’re Waukesha, Wisconsin, where they specifically voted to stop giving kids handouts (i.e. free lunch). Because, you know, kids should work for their food or something instead of using their energy to learn.

    Gsus4 ,
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    probably the same people that say abortion is murdering kids…

    richieadler ,

    I mean, cheap labor has to come from somewhere… Where do you find empoverished people to exploit if you don’t force births?

    Gsus4 ,
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    If you add underage labour liberalisation to that, you get a bingo!

    richieadler ,

    I’ll raise you the most voted pre-candidate to president in my country, who said that people should be able to sell their own organs if they want to. (He plans to worsen things for workers in such a way that they would need to.)

    Gsus4 ,
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    Is this guy an ultraliberal moron or a pretend-conservative who says that but thinks abortion and prostitution should be illegal?

    richieadler ,

    Strangely, both.

    theragu40 ,

    Of course it is. But you know, kids lives only really matter up until they are born. At that point the kids, their parents and their livelihoods and happiness…all that can fuck right off.

    affiliate ,

    kids just don’t want to work anymore these days. they’re too busy with their avocados and ipad games. meanwhile the child unemployment rates are at historical highs. won’t someone think of the economy?

    theragu40 ,

    💀

    MostlyBirds ,
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    Waukesha County is by far the most conservative in the state, and has been playing a massive role in destroying our state’s democratic process for a few decades now.

    Another fun fact about it is that they’ve been trying for years to glom onto the Lake Michigan watershed, which, geographically, it is not a part of. They want to straight up take our water, which they do not need, in exchange for nothing whatsoever of any real value.

    theragu40 ,

    Yeah it’s a cesspool that way.

    I live in the mke area and when looking for housing Waukesha was a tempting area because of how much more house you can get for the money, but I just don’t think I can handle living there. Not to mention I want my kids going to schools in a community that gives a shit about kids and their education.

    jumperalex ,

    “It’s about time these kids had some skin in the game!”

    -Some Republican Somewhere I’m sure.

    Pons_Aelius , in Taiwan will not back down to threats, Taiwan VP says on US trip

    China cannot win against Taiwan. (win = gaining control of the nation with its chip fabs still operational)

    But that will not stop them from trying.

    China is falling off a demographic cliff thanks to two generations of the one child policy. In a decade it will not have enough fighting age citizens to even attempt it.

    But Xi wants to be remembered as the great re-unifier of China and he turned 70 this year, so time is running out to do so.

    The 21st National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party will be held in 2027.

    I expect China and Xi to force the issue before then.

    cooljacob204 ,

    I wouldn't be surprised but I hope you're wrong.

    Pons_Aelius ,

    I hope I am wrong as well.

    Stovetop , in Massachusetts passed a 4% millionaire's tax last year. Now every public school student is going to get free lunch

    As a student who grew up attending Massachusetts public schools, this is fantastic news. Just wish that could have been me!

    I used to bring a lot of boxed lunch in most days instead because school lunches were an unnecessary expense, but sometimes I’d buy school lunch if it was one I liked.

    I don’t know if this applies everywhere, but my school district at least had a needs-based free lunch (and breakfast) program for those from low income families, but honestly all students deserve to eat a healthy and nutritious meal during school, which I am sure also takes quite a bit of stress off of parents.

    solrize ,

    The trouble with needs based programs is that students who receive the free lunch then get shamed by other students for being poor. Thus the movement to give the lunch to everyone. The cost per student is fairly low compared to the other expenses of running a school. Plus there are savings resulting from getting rid of the bureaucracy that figures out who is needy enough to get a free lunch, getting rid of the payment collection operation, etc, that partly offset the cost of the additional free lunches.

    zephyreks ,

    Then, idk, sell the lunch program on a semester-by-semester basis and offer subsidies for students who can’t afford it? It isn’t rocket science.

    HikingVet ,

    You’re right that it isn’t rocket science, but you are still making it more complicated than it needs to be.

    The solution is like how the kids are now getting ot for free in that state because of the new tax.

    lolcatnip ,

    Ok, but why not just not? Just feed the damn kids and quit worrying that someone somewhere is getting something they could live without.

    shuzuko ,

    It depends on how you manage it. We had a system where parents could pay up front for your lunches, and students using that system got their lunches the same way the needs-based students did - the lunch lady just checked their name off the list for the day. You could guess at who had which, probably, but there was no way to confirm it.

    That being said, you’re right about the bureaucracy and I’m all in favor of free lunches for all students regardless of their parents’ income.

    Hnazant , in Massachusetts passed a 4% millionaire's tax last year. Now every public school student is going to get free lunch

    Indiana did free meals, then announced kids had to get approved nicknames like Florida…

    wrath-sedan ,
    @wrath-sedan@kbin.social avatar

    Honestly, as a Hoosier, surprised they even went for the free meals.

    fylkenny ,

    What are approved nicknames? That’s usually not how nicknames work.

    grysbok ,
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    I read an article about it recently. If a student asks to be called by a name other than the one they were registered with (for example, Benjamin asks to be called Ben or William asks to be called Sir Buttface) the school is supposed to inform the parents and get approval. A “side” effect of this is outing trans kids to their parents.

    fylkenny ,

    Thanks for explaining. Does sound like the only effect this law has.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    The other (minor but possibly cumulative) effect is that it annoys every parent whose child doesn’t go by their birth name. Enough little cuts like that and the GOP loses plenty of voters.

    Pratai ,

    That’s a weird nickname.

    grysbok ,
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    Kids get named Montana, Washington, and Indiana. “Florida” could be an ironic nickname for any of those.

    Ghostalmedia ,
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    Just to clarify for other here. Indiana does not do universal free lunch like Massachusetts. You have to apply for it.

    Bendavisunlv6 , in HTA: Visitors urged to forego travel plans to West Maui

    But plan a trip for next year because they’re going to need the tourism money to recover.

    Mediocre_Bard , in Texas Revamps Houston Schools, Closing Libraries and Angering Parents

    You can’t put all the shit kids in one location and hope they’ll get better.

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