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toothpaste_sandwich , in Rescue operation underway for ill US researcher stuck 3,000 feet inside cave in Turkey

Well that sounds terrifying.

deweydecibel , (edited )

I’m not too concerned. They can get medicine to him, so as long as that works and his condition improves enough, they can get him out.

If the medicine doesn’t work and whatever issues he’s facing deteriorates further, then there’s a real problem.

Of course the real nightmare is if he’s developed a chronic health issue, he’ll have to get treated for the rest of his life, here in the States. I’d wish that fate on no one.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

As someone with a chronic health issue that has to live in the States, yes. It sucks. And we have good health insurance.

Armen12 , in Biden, Modi and G20 allies unveil rail and shipping project linking India to Middle East and Europe

Giving third world dictators even more power doesn’t sound like a good deal for anyone living in those regions

eskimofry ,

What’s the alternative? It’s easy to comment on it like the universe was created today. But we are all born into the world as it exists. That means understanding the history and geopolitics of the regions in question. One can’t just jump in and say that they don’t like Xi Jin Ping on the global stage, because the west was happily content leaning on the cheap labour of China for the past 50 years. Nevermind the fact that U.S saudi relationship has existed for well over 50 years now or more.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not like India isn’t already shipping huge amounts of goods to Europe. They just do it on heavily polluting ships. Rail is the greenest shipping solution.

jray4559 , in Nancy Pelosi: Democrat and ex-Speaker, 83, to seek re-election
@jray4559@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Well, if you want her to stop being in Congress, you know what to do in the primaries.

IHaveTwoCows ,

She is so corrupted and entrenched by the donor class that she does not even acknowledge the existence of primary challengers.

Serinus ,

I’d vote against Pelosi in the primaries for the same reason I’d vote against Biden or Trump or McConnell or Feinstein in the primaries. They’re all too fucking old. The average age of the Senate is 64 years. The average age of the House of Representatives is 57 years.

Here’s every senator or congressperson age 68 or older.

State Senator Age Birthdate Party
Iowa Charles E. Grassley 89 9/17/33 R
California Dianne Feinstein 89 6/22/33 D
Vermont Bernie Sanders 81 9/8/41 I
Kentucky Mitch McConnell 80 2/20/42 R
Maryland Benjamin L. Cardin 79 10/5/43 D
Idaho Jim Risch 79 5/3/43 R
Illinois Richard J. Durbin 78 11/21/44 D
Maine Angus King 78 3/31/44 I
Massachusetts Edward J. Markey 76 7/11/46 D
Connecticut Richard Blumenthal 76 2/13/46 D
Utah Mitt Romney 75 3/12/47 R
Vermont Peter Welch 75 5/2/47 D
Hawaii Mazie K. Hirono 75 11/3/47 D
West Virginia Joe Manchin III 75 8/24/47 D
New Hampshire Jeanne Shaheen 75 1/28/47 D
Delaware Thomas R. Carper 75 1/23/47 D
Rhode Island Jack Reed 73 11/12/49 D
Oregon Ron Wyden 73 5/3/49 D
Massachusetts Elizabeth Warren 73 6/22/49 D
Arkansas John Boozman 72 12/10/50 R
Michigan Debbie Stabenow 72 4/29/50 D
New York Charles E. Schumer 72 11/23/50 D
Washington Patty Murray 72 10/11/50 D
Mississippi Roger Wicker 71 7/5/51 R
Idaho Michael D. Crapo 71 5/20/51 R
Louisiana John Kennedy 71 11/21/51 R
Nebraska Deb Fischer 71 3/1/51 R
Colorado John Hickenlooper 70 2/7/52 D
Florida Rick Scott 70 12/1/52 R
Texas John Cornyn 70 2/2/52 R
Wyoming John Barrasso 70 7/21/52 R
Maine Susan Collins 70 12/7/52 R
Ohio Sherrod Brown 70 11/9/52 D
Tennessee Marsha Blackburn 70 6/6/52 R
West Virginia Shelley Moore Capito 69 11/26/53 R
New Jersey Bob Menendez 69 1/1/54 D
Virginia Mark Warner 68 12/15/54 D
Alabama Tommy Tuberville 68 9/18/54 R
Kansas Jerry Moran 68 5/29/54 R
Indiana Mike Braun 68 3/24/54 R
South Dakota Mike Rounds 68 10/24/54 R
Wyoming Cynthia Lummis 68 9/10/54 R
District Congressperson Age Birthdate Party
CA-31 Grace F. Napolitano 86 12/4/36 Democratic
DC-AL Eleanor Holmes Norton 85 6/13/37 Democratic
KY-05 Harold Rogers 85 12/31/37 Republican
NJ-09 Bill Pascrell Jr. 85 1/25/37 Democratic
CA-43 Maxine Waters 84 8/15/38 Democratic
MD-05 Steny H. Hoyer 83 6/14/39 Democratic
SC-06 James E. Clyburn 82 7/21/40 Democratic
CA-11 Nancy Pelosi 82 3/26/40 Democratic
IL-07 Danny K. Davis 81 9/6/41 Democratic
TX-31 John Carter 81 11/6/41 Republican
CA-16 Anna G. Eshoo 80 12/13/42 Democratic
FL-24 Frederica S. Wilson 80 11/5/42 Democratic
CT-03 Rosa DeLauro 79 3/2/43 Democratic
NC-05 Virginia Foxx 79 6/29/43 Republican
TX-12 Kay Granger 79 1/18/43 Republican
CA-07 Doris Matsui 78 9/25/44 Democratic
IL-09 Jan Schakowsky 78 5/26/44 Democratic
MO-05 Emanuel Cleaver II 78 10/26/44 Democratic
GA-13 David Scott 77 6/27/45 Democratic
IN-04 Jim Baird 77 6/4/45 Republican
NJ-12 Bonnie Watson Coleman 77 2/6/45 Democratic
CA-08 John Garamendi 77 1/24/45 Democratic
OH-09 Marcy Kaptur 76 6/17/46 Democratic
TX-37 Lloyd Doggett 76 10/6/46 Democratic
CA-12 Barbara Lee 76 7/16/46 Democratic
NC-12 Alma Adams 76 5/27/46 Democratic
MD-02 C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger 76 1/31/46 Democratic
TX-09 Al Green 75 9/1/47 Democratic
VA-03 Robert C. Scott 75 4/30/47 Democratic
GA-02 Sanford D. Bishop Jr. 75 2/4/47 Democratic
NY-12 Jerrold Nadler 75 6/13/47 Democratic
CA-18 Zoe Lofgren 75 12/21/47 Democratic
FL-08 Bill Posey 75 12/18/47 Republican
AS-AL Aumua Amata Coleman Radewagen 75 12/29/47 Republican
SC-02 Joe Wilson 75 7/31/47 Republican
MI-01 Jack Bergman 75 2/2/47 Republican
FL-22 Lois Frankel 74 5/16/48 Democratic
MS-02 Bennie Thompson 74 1/28/48 Democratic
OR-03 Earl Blumenauer 74 8/16/48 Democratic
CT-01 John B. Larson 74 7/22/48 Democratic
AZ-07 Raul M. Grijalva 74 2/19/48 Democratic
PA-16 Mike Kelly 74 5/10/48 Republican
TX-36 Brian Babin 74 3/23/48 Republican
MD-07 Kweisi Mfume 74 10/24/48 Democratic
NY-20 Paul Tonko 73 6/18/49 Democratic
TN-09 Steve Cohen 73 5/24/49 Democratic
OK-04 Tom Cole 73 4/28/49 Republican
TX-25 Roger Williams 73 9/13/49 Republican
MA-01 Richard E. Neal 73 2/14/49 Democratic
FL-11 Daniel Webster 73 4/27/49 Republican
ID-02 Mike Simpson 72 9/8/50 Republican
TX-29 Sylvia R. Garcia 72 9/6/50 Democratic
NV-01 Dina Titus 72 5/23/50 Democratic
OH-03 Joyce Beatty 72 3/12/50 Democratic
VA-11 Gerald E. Connolly 72 3/30/50 Democratic
WV-01 Carol Miller 72 11/4/50 Republican
TX-18 Sheila Jackson Lee 72 1/12/50 Democratic
TX-26 Michael C. Burgess 72 12/23/50 Republican
VA-08 Donald S. Beyer Jr. 72 6/20/50 Democratic
FL-16 Vern Buchanan 71 5/8/51 Republican
CA-04 Mike Thompson 71 1/24/51 Democratic
NJ-06 Frank Pallone Jr. 71 10/30/51 Democratic
WI-04 Gwen Moore 71 4/18/51 Democratic
MI-05 Tim Walberg 71 4/12/51 Republican
GA-12 Rick W. Allen 71 11/7/51 Republican
UT-04 Burgess Owens 71 8/2/51 Republican
CA-21 Jim Costa 70 4/13/52 Democratic
MA-09 William Keating 70 9/6/52 Democratic
FL-05 John Rutherford 70 9/2/52 Republican
CA-26 Julia Brownley 70 8/28/52 Democratic
CA-10 Mark DeSaulnier 70 3/31/52 Democratic
OR-02 Cliff Bentz 70 1/12/52 Republican
MO-03 Blaine Luetkemeyer 70 5/7/52 Republican
HI-01 Ed Case 70 9/27/52 Democratic
MI-06 Debbie Dingell 69 11/23/53 Democratic
CA-28 Judy Chu 69 7/7/53 Democratic
CA-41 Ken Calvert 69 6/8/53 Republican
NY-07 Nydia M. Velazquez 69 3/28/53 Democratic
TX-03 Keith Self 69 3/20/53 Republican
CA-48 Darrell Issa 69 11/1/53 Republican
CT-02 Joe Courtney 69 4/6/53 Democratic
NJ-02 Jeff Van Drew 69 2/23/53 Republican
NY-05 Gregory W. Meeks 69 9/25/53 Democratic
TX-14 Randy Weber 69 7/2/53 Republican
FL-02 Neal Dunn 69 2/16/53 Republican
SC-05 Ralph Norman 69 6/20/53 Republican
NJ-04 Christopher H. Smith 69 3/4/53 Republican
PA-03 Dwight Evans 68 5/16/54 Democratic
MI-13 Shri Thanedar 68 1/1/55 Democratic
OR-01 Suzanne Bonamici 68 10/14/54 Democratic
GA-04 Hank Johnson 68 10/2/54 Democratic
NY-13 Adriano Espaillat 68 9/27/54 Democratic
MN-04 Betty McCollum 68 7/12/54 Democratic
CA-32 Brad Sherman 68 10/24/54 Democratic
AL-06 Gary Palmer 68 5/14/54 Republican
FL-28 Carlos Gimenez 68 1/17/54 Republican
OH-06 Bill Johnson 68 11/10/54 Republican
3FingersOfMilk ,

That’s… eye-opening

winterayars ,

Pelosi in particular isn’t just old but is also showing some signs of seriously impaired memory at the least.

IHaveTwoCows ,

Not the least of which is thinking that we’re being fooled by the hair

Sterile_Technique , in Senator Tuberville: No truce over military blockade on abortion
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

…in an effort to force the Biden administration’s defense department to rescind a policy of leave and expense reimbursement for service members and their dependents traveling for abortions.

I can only assume this is for bases that don’t have the means to just do it themselves. I was a surgical tech in the Air Force, and every hospital I was stationed at provided abortion services.

The VA does, too.

Cuz abortion services ARE FUCKING HEALTHCARE. You want to destroy a service member’s mission readiness? Give them a kid they can’t support.

You don’t want to pay service members to travel for abortions? Fine. Fine. Equip and staff every single military base with an OBGYN clinic w/ surgical capabilities. Don’t want to give them med leave to recover from an abortion? Fucking FINE. Schedule a uteroscopy and biopsy along with it so we can throw in a cancer screen, nab any polyps, ablate any endometriosis, etc; and give them extra leave for those, cuz damn was that one a bleeder! She’ll need extra time to recover for sure!!

Do the same at VAs, cuz on federal facilities, state law can eat a bag of dicks.

Then declare a state of emergency in the Y’all Qaeda infested regions of the US on the basis of denied healthcare leading to the current and worsening humanitarian crisis; and in doing so, enabling the VA to provide abortion services to non-veterans under section §1784 of title 38, United States Code.

This dystopian GOP shit is maddening. We need to stop trying to argue with it, and start finding ways to just work around it. Fuck em.

Seasoned_Greetings ,

Do the same at VAs

The problem with that is that it may have been legal at the place it was done, but states would absolutely place police next door to wait for those women to come out. They already have laws that criminalize women who go out of state

bassomitron ,

How is that legal? I thought states can only enforce laws that are broken in their own jurisdiction? Interstate would make it a federal matter, no? (In regards to women going out of state)

Lyrl ,

It’s almost certainly unconstitutional, but there’s not specific case law so it has to be litigated to know for sure. So there needs to be people charged who have the means and willingness to go through several years of trials and appeals. And they have to maintain that motivation for a long time - some cases drag on for a decade or longer.

The point isn’t to make it illegal forever, it’s to scare people and organizations without the resources to engage in a legal fight to stop supporting interstate care for the next three or five or ten years.

lolcatnip ,

Working around the GOP’s bullshit is a short-term solution. They need to be permanently removed from power.

Zamotic ,

Then we need to do the short term solution while we work on the long term solution. I’m kind of sick of one side trying to keep it a fair fight. GOP politicians have all shown they don’t care about that and will employ any means necessary to get their policies enacted while doing everything they can to disrupt the policies on the other side

lolcatnip ,

I agree, shorr-term and long-term solutions are both important.

SpezBroughtMeHere , in Nancy Pelosi: Democrat and ex-Speaker, 83, to seek re-election

The fucked up thing is that people are still gonna vote for her. No one cares about corruption or acrually having good political leaders, they just need their team to win like it’s some kind of stupid sport.

Huxley75 ,

Blues and Greens…just like the Byzantines

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Because there is no corruption. Right wing conspiracy theories aren’t fact

winterayars ,

There’s corruption. The whole system is corrupt and Pelosi is a whirlwind of corruption. Does not make right wing conspiracy theories any more correct, though.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

“the whole system is corrupt”

Take off your tinfoil

merc ,

Or they know how important it is that the Republicans not win.

It’s not just about keeping score and keeping points for the red team. The blue team is currently fighting for white supremacy, christian supremacy, male supremacy, and to change the rules to make any other political party irrelevant.

If someone as wonderful as Mr. Rogers ran against Nancy Pelosi, but that person said he’d vote with his Republican colleagues on every important issue, his own personal qualities wouldn’t matter. He personally might not lie, cheat or steal, but he’d be supporting a party that openly does all those things.

It sucks, but when it’s a first-past-the-post system with 2 major parties, you mostly have to hold your nose and vote against the greater evil.

Grant_M , in The IRS plans to crack down on 1,600 millionaires to collect millions of dollars in back taxes
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Tax the snot out of these greedy hogs.

Jackcooper , in Kaiser to pay $49 million to California for illegally dumping private medical records, medical waste

Yup they’re the largest healthcarrier because they get away with all the crap and are rarely held accountable. Their CEO died at age 60. The most powerful man at a healthcare conglomerate died of CV causes at age 60.

Tangent5280 ,

Karma’s a bitch.

Manifish_Destiny ,

C’mon, round 2 baby!

betabob , in Kaiser to pay $49 million to California for illegally dumping private medical records, medical waste

Kaiser Permanente reports $2.1B profit, 2.9% operating margin in Q2 2023.

Another cost of doing business…

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.world avatar

The fines for-profits pay should be scaled to their most recent yearly profits.

Maybe then they’s start following the rules instead of just blowing them off.

ABCDE ,

Revenue, not profit.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.world avatar

Wut?

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

As in, it should be a proportion of their overall revenue as a business, if you just take a proportion of their profit then it’s less likely to actually harm them in some way. A single heavy fine calculated from profit will never put them at risk of not actually making a profit due to their horrendous misdeeds.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.world avatar

I will then amend my solution to add this: the fine should be 50% of their profits.

I am somewhat wary of hitting revenue as companies could then use it as an excuse to let go of staff, and that is a cost I’m unwilling to stand up for.

ABCDE ,

Companies will just spend that money instead of making a cash profit.

newthrowaway20 ,

Like a company needs an excuse to let go of staff. If they’re going to fire people, they’ll use any reason they can to cover.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Honestly, without specific regulation to prevent it, cost cutting like slashing staff will be the first thing a company does to protect its expected profits regardless of how you do it. That’s unavoidable whether you go for profit or revenue.

tallwookie , in China claims ownership of the Taiwan Strait. Canada just sailed a warship through it

wouldnt that infringe on Taiwan’s claim? like, China already has two Seas…

Faresh ,

Taiwan is not internationally recognized as an independent state.

Hildegarde , in Biden, Modi and G20 allies unveil rail and shipping project linking India to Middle East and Europe

Good to hear that the president only cares about rail in other countries.

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    Cfords , in The IRS plans to crack down on 1,600 millionaires to collect millions of dollars in back taxes
    @Cfords@lemmy.world avatar

    Healthcare won’t be a bad idea !

    vrighter , in Amazon to require some authors to disclose the use of AI material

    some?

    treefrog ,

    Hopefully the mushroom foraging guides. Amazon is going to have a pretty big lawsuit if AI hallucinations start mixing up Death Caps with choice edible mushrooms and get someone killed.

    vrighter ,

    why not all though?

    treefrog ,

    Well all would be preferable.

    rivermonster , in Amazon to require some authors to disclose the use of AI material

    Here comes the chorus of people who know nothing about how AI/machinelearning/generative models work.

    The problem is capitalism. There are no safe jobs, and we need a UBI and shouldn’t have to work with AI productivity gains.

    The bitching about ai and stupid statements from those ignorant to how it works are all out of a fear of lost income which is a fear instilled by zero sum capitalism.

    Build guillotines, make all productivity gains from AI 100% taxed, and relax.

    treefrog ,

    The article really isn’t about this so this comment probably would have been better as a response to some of the bitching above.

    If AI writes something, it should be flagged as AI. Right now there’s AI written mushroom foraging books on Amazon. If those books weren’t proofread by a mycologist or skilled forager and someone trusts that information, an AI hallucination could get them killed.

    rockSlayer , in Phoenix breaks heat record as city hits 110F for the 54th consecutive day

    If there’s anyone here living in the region, remember to drink water! The best method to prevent heat exhaustion or worse is to drink small amounts of water frequently, like roughly once every 30 minutes or every time you feel thirsty (whichever happens first). When all said and done, the best indicator is the color of your urine. It should be a light yellow color.

    If you’re working outside, make sure you’re also drinking something with sodium electrolytes like liquid iv or Gatorade (other drinks like Prime aren’t suitable, they pad their electrolyte count will potassium).

    If at all possible, take a cold shower at the peak of the heat around noon to regulate your temperature and comfort. If you get heat exhaustion, STOP WHATEVER YOU’RE DOING AND GET INDOORS. Heat exhaustion is the first step towards heat stroke and death. You will die in heat like this if you don’t take care of yourself. Do not “tough it out” or wait “5 more minutes”.

    Stay safe out there

    crowsby ,
    @crowsby@lemmy.world avatar

    take a cold shower

    Well umm, that’s kinda the trick. In Phoenix in summertime, “cold” water is cold in name only. It’s more tepid than anything. That’s just another part of what makes it so oppressive living there in summer.

    rockSlayer ,

    That’s fair. I live in the Midwest, so I’ve never had that problem and don’t have any solutions. These are things I learned while doing work like mowing, picking ragweed and rock, moving grain bins, and stuff like that

    RedAggroBest ,

    Yea, backyard pools are the norm in large swaths of the valley (Phoenix+). It’s the best way to avoid your kids burning to death if they don’t wanna go outside at midnight.

    tryptaminev ,

    It is also a great way to stress the already stressed water ressources further, so the region will have to be depopulated earlier.

    AssPennies ,

    I haven’t used the hot water knob in the shower since May. Looks like it’s going to be at least another month till I do.

    onesweetmullet ,

    I’m convinced that the H and C knobs are Hot and Caliente. 😅

    Gingernate ,

    I have to put ice in my babies bathwater to cool it down to 98, it literally comes out at 103 degrees when it’s 115 out. FML

    Buffalox ,

    Also remember to eat something salty. Drinking a lot of water, drains the body salts, and lacking salt can be very bad too.

    If you drink 2 liters of water quickly, it can be lethal because it pushes your salt levels out of whack.

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    They mentioned that in paragraph 2.

    Buffalox ,

    Ah yes, except it’s made more complicated than it has to be. The thing is to get salt. Sodium is a basic element not a salt. Also you don’t have to drink it, usually it’s easier and cheaper to find in foods.

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    If 2 liters pushes you into hyponaiteremia then you were already low.

    Buffalox , (edited )

    Yes, or low weight or both. Fact of the matter is, it happened.

    Lycerius ,
    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    What if I get fired if I take a break and face complete homelessness if I don’t keep my income

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Man this summer we were out and about, my eldest started talking like a zombie and I noticed she wasn’t sweating. Oh boy stage 1. Ok AC right now, no negotiations, no waiting.

    kerr , in Phoenix breaks heat record as city hits 110F for the 54th consecutive day

    110F = 43.33C if anyone else was wondering.

    dannoffs ,
    @dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It’s also getting towards the end of the summer there when it gets humid.

    tsonfeir ,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    I’m curious to see what the rains are like during El Niño with this heat

    And009 ,

    Good bot, that’s hot

    Rubezahl ,

    Thank you!

    Scrof ,

    Jesus fuck that’s brutal even for a desert.

    foofiepie ,

    Thank you and Erk!

    Buffalox ,

    Metric: 1 calorie heats 1 gram of water 1 C°, 1 gram is equal to 1cm³. Water boils at 100 C° and freezes at zero.

    Imperial: 1 calorie heats 1 something by ?? F equal to ???, and 0F and 100F are completely irrelevant to everyday life and tasks.

    wavebeam ,
    @wavebeam@lemmy.world avatar

    I get your point, but disagree with your thesis. Fahrenheit makes a lot of sense for human comfort ranges. 0 and 100 are some of the most extreme natural temperatures most people in F-using countries ever see. 0 means cold as fuck and 100 means hot as fuck. And there’s a single-digit useful precision to it as well. 72 and 73 are close, but noticeably different. Celsius requires decimals for that kind of difference. And 0 means “it’s kinda cold outside, I guess” and 100 means “you were dead a long time ago”, so it’s not nearly as useful in every day life with natural living temperatures.

    coaxil ,

    Hi sepo, :)

    KyuubiNoKitsune ,

    0 means any water outside will most likely start freezing, 100 means any water outside will be boiling. Makes sense to me. What temp do things start freezing in F? 30? 40? Doesn’t make sense at all. What temp does water boil? 160? I dunno, none of it is rational in any way.

    azulavoir ,

    0/32/64/96 are somewhat reasonable breakpoints in F, and make dividing the space between them in half repeatedly on a thermometer simple. Fahrenheit was literally made up by Big Thermometer for this exact reason.

    myusernameblows ,

    “Somewhat reasonable”

    KyuubiNoKitsune ,

    Lol, big thermometer.

    MNByChoice ,

    Salt water freezes at 0F. Normal water at 32 F. Normal water boils at 212 F. Human body at 100 F (which is wrong, but also has been changing.) Below 10 F snot in nose freezes. 20 F is time to switch to long pants.

    SeaJ ,

    Water freezes at an obvious 32°F at sea level and of course boils at 212°F. What’s so confusing about that? /s

    FlowVoid ,

    Water boils at 99.9839 Celsius, not 100. What so confusing about that?

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    they are all arbitrary numbers. Originally C actually had water freeze at 0 and boil at -100

    Saltblue ,

    I get your point

    Saltblue ,

    I get your point “but because I was brought up with this system I’m going to make an argument as why it makes sense to me”

    25 Celsius is a nice summer day

    0 Celsius you better take a jacket and it’s probably going to snow

    43 Celsius damn hot

    60-80 Celsius a very nice sauna

    It’s not that hard burgerman

    Hylactor ,

    burgerman

    Hey, we didn’t come up with the shit in the first place. The Imperial System is a British invention.

    Saltblue ,

    Once upon a time I was going trough some hardships, sometimes I couldn’t afford a meal, I’m not proud to admit that one time I took paper towels, wet them in a bowl and eat them, and you know what? Still had more flavor than br**ish food.

    Buffalox ,

    Any usefulness of Fahrenheit is purely accidental, how is water freezing at 32F useful? I’ll grant that the finer resolution can be seen as a positive, I don’t see how Fahrenheit is better for human comfort, my personal optimal comfort zone is 22-24C°, and I have no need for decimals for that. 73F is pretty close to 23C, I don’t see much difference regarding comfort in either.

    The huge problem with Fahrenheit, is that it is impractical in many situations, it has basically no merit to justify its existence, and only a minority of countries continue to use it.

    Of course Americans can do whatever they want, but they are looking stupider for each year they keep using “Freedom Units”.

    Of course Americans switch to metric for mostly anything scientific, for example NASA use Metric.

    FlowVoid ,

    The SI unit of temperature is kelvin, not Celsius.

    If people don’t want to use kelvin, does that mean they are stupid?

    Buffalox ,

    True, but Kelvin is based on Celsius, only difference is that zero is moved from freezing water to absolute zero. Celsius however is more practical for everyday life.

    FlowVoid ,

    Celsius is only practical if you measure the temperature of water more often than the temperature of air.

    But most people never measure the temperature of water, and frequently measure the temperature of air. For them, Celsius offers no advantage.

    Buffalox ,

    Why? As I see it, it’s quite practical for air too, epecially when considering humidity.

    FlowVoid ,

    A scale that typically goes from -20 to 40 is less practical than a scale that typically goes from 0 to 100.

    Humidity is irrelevant. Celsius is useful only when measuring the liquid phase of water.

    wavebeam ,
    @wavebeam@lemmy.world avatar

    The usefulness of gravity is also purely accidental

    Buffalox ,

    False equivalence. gravity is not man made.

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    So you’re saying it’s relevant for basically nothing but the weather. It’s not a very good argument.

    seejur ,

    Is also incredibly subjective. What’s comfortable for one person might not be for another. I’m pretty sure an Inuit and a Ghanan have pretty different ideas of what’s cold or hot. Same for Floridan and Minnesotan speaking of the US

    rambaroo ,

    0 and 100 are not comfortable for anyone.

    rambaroo ,

    To be fair, that’s all it’s used for. No one uses Fahrenheit for science in the US.

    sentient_loom ,
    @sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

    If it requires this much explanation, it’s not very sensible.

    In Celsius 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling. It’s so simple. “Comfortable” is anywhere from like 15-30 (my Canadian standards, very subjective I know) and we don’t need decimals.

    squirrelwithnut ,

    Here you go. Pretty simply, really.

    Nath ,
    @Nath@aussie.zone avatar

    “Fairly cold”? I’ve been in 0c a few times in my life and every time it was freezing!

    Isn’t 100f the temperature your blood is meant to be?

    Malfeasant ,

    98.6°F is body temperature. The .6 is funny because it’s only there because someone picked a nice round number in °C then converted it. There’s a name for that in math but I can’t remember what it is… something about more precise than accurate…

    foksmash ,

    It’s honestly really intuitive for weather if you grew up with it. We still use metric for science because it makes the most sense there, like you say.

    PBSkidz4Lyfe ,

    But it’s not that simple. 100 boiling is only true at sea level. At 530 (~1750 feet) it’s 98c. At 1500m (~5000ft) it’s down to 95c. At 3000m (10k feet) it’s just under 90c. Ocean water freezes at -2c. Fully saturated salt water freezes at -21c.

    SnipingNinja ,

    Fahrenheit doesn’t have this issue?

    FlowVoid ,

    Fahrenheit and Celsius both have the exact same issues. Which is why there isn’t much reason to switch.

    Sludgeyy ,

    Temperatures can be given more accurately in Fahrenheit with whole numbers

    FlowVoid ,

    That’s an approximation. Celsius is no longer defined in terms of water boiling and freezing, and they are no longer exactly 0 and 100.

    The modern definition of Celsius is based on absolute zero and the triple point of water. And those are also the basis for the modern definition of Fahrenheit.

    steltek , (edited )

    Use the right tool for the right job. Fahrenheit helps plan your day, with weather or pool temperatures or whatever. Celsius is for science and engineering. This argument sounds a little like driving a nail with a torque wrench.

    I can ballpark C to F. But pressure is never going to happen. Like what’s 30psi? 547000 Pa or something? Who the fuck knows. Or you could use bar, with a scale of 1 to 5, lol.

    Buffalox , (edited )

    How is using F a better tool for pool temperaturs? I have never heard of a European having problems with that using Celsius.

    supercriticalcheese ,

    1 bar is as close as practical to1 atm there you go

    maporita ,

    If they tell me it’s close to zero © then I know it’s time to change from shorts to pants. If it’s close to zero F and you’re still in shorts then you’re probably dead.

    troutsushi ,

    In what scenario is Fahrenheit more intuitive to someone who grew up with neither of the two systems?

    steltek ,

    Knowing nothing?! I think Fahrenheit clearly wins as it’s normalized against your own perception and experiences. If you ever have direct contact with 100C, it will be less pleasant than 100F.

    But my point was that both systems have their uses and I just code switch between them depending on the task. But if you have to have only one, it should be Celsius. I won’t disagree with that.

    Malfeasant ,

    But if you have to have only one, it should be Celsius. I won’t disagree with that.

    Oh no… Kelvin is that.

    FlowVoid ,

    Kelvin is clearly superior to Celsius for scientific purposes.

    I’m always amused when those who urge Americans to switch to Celsius because it’s “more scientific” are simultaneously unwilling to switch to kelvin because it’s not worth the effort.

    severien ,

    Fahrenheit is no better than Celsius to plan your day, but it’s very useful to have just one scale to do both science and your day planning (and everything in between).

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    but how often does knowing how to convert water weight to volume come up? Same with the energy to heat water.

    Nath ,
    @Nath@aussie.zone avatar

    The water/weight comes up all the time. Filling a 10L bucket, I know that is going to weigh 10kg. I know I can lift it and my kid can’t.

    The energy one, I’m not even sure is right. We don’t use calories, we use kilojoules. A joule is used to lift 1kg 1m. It’s not something I ever use. I use kilojoules for tracking food I ate today, that’s about it.

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah i dont really use energy unless i want explain kwh to gallons of gasoline.

    But fir water buckets i just see the bycket and have enough experience to know if i can

    FlowVoid ,

    Lifting 1 kg by 1 m would take 9.8 joules.

    Buffalox , (edited )

    Weight to volume is extremely common when I cook, because often things are measured in volume, but I prefer to use the weight.

    ½ a liter water or milk or almost any fluid without extra dish-washing? Easy you just put it on the weight, select tara, and pour 500 grams. Voila you just saved both kitchen space and extra work. because 1g = 1ml with water and most fluids.

    It’s equally easy if the number given isn’t in liter, ml or milliliter of course converts directly to grams, and dl or deciliter = 100 g. 1 liter of course being 1000 ml and in water 1000 g or 1 kg. It’s consistent all the way through.

    I guess if you are used to Freedom units, this may sound like science fiction, but this has been reality in many countries for a long time already.

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    That would make more dishes. If i need flour water and milk i just use the same cup. And i have scale to wash off.

    FurtiveFugitive ,

    Their phrasing isn’t perfect, but I believe they’re saying,

    1. Put the whole mixing bowl or pot or whatever you’re preparing in,.
    2. Press the zero out button
    3. Add your 500g of ingredient
    4. If you have more things to add, press the zero button again and repeat.

    No measuring cups needed at all.

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    ok that makes a little more sense. It still laves them with a scale to clean cup for me to clean.

    FlowVoid ,

    One pint of water or milk without extra dish-washing? Easy you just put it on the scale and pour one pound.

    Buffalox ,

    OK Imperial is not something I’m used to use, but according to Wikipedia, a pint is 569.6 ml and a pound is 0.4535 kg.

    So you’d be off by 116,1 g or a whopping 25%!

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units

    That would ruin many great recipes.

    FlowVoid ,

    The American pint is 473 mL.

    The Imperial pint used to be that much too, hence the old saying “A pint is a pound the world around”. Then the Imperial pint was increased by 25%, but Americans kept the old amount.

    Buffalox ,

    How should I know which you use, AFAIK freedom units are American.

    FlowVoid ,

    You don’t need to know anything about American units. But rest assured that those who do use them still haven’t found a good reason to switch to French units.

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m a fan of the metric system, but understand that Fahrenheit is pretty convenient for regular human temperatures. For one, the vast majority of climate temperatures that we experience in the US on a regular basis land between 0°F & 100°F except for deserts & recent climate change impacts. For another, Farenheit is a bit more precise as whole numbers since differences between degrees are smaller, so I can be more precise with my a/c thermostat.

    Still, I would prefer that we change to metric across the board in the US because it is more congruent across dimensions and decimals are easier to manipulate than fractions for me. For the latter, if I had a recipe that required I calculate 1/3 cup plus 1/2 cup, I have to switch to 2/6 & 3/6, which equals 5/6, then I’m stuck estimating that anyway since most measuring cups aren’t labeled to the 6th precision. It gets even more confusing when we have to consider teaspoons, tablespoons, & pints. Using liters would be so much more convenient for me. Another area where I get confused is when measurements for food are presented as ounces versus fluid ounces. I understand the difference, but it’s still something I have to think extra about.

    My one request in switching over to metric would be that weather and thermostat temperatures are presented at least to the .5°C precision level so that 75°F would be 24.0°C and 74°F would be 23.5°C. Yes, I’m this picky about my thermostat settings and can notice a difference between 75°F/24.0°C and 74°F/23.5°C.

    RunawayFixer ,

    Request granted! My European thermostat that is about 30 years old now, has a display accuracy of 0.5 degrees, so I’d expect more modern systems to be at least as accurate. I’m not going to speak of the actual accuracy, but the display at least is 0.5 🙂

    moitoi ,

    We need a bot for that.

    Cold_Brew_Enema ,

    No one was wondering

    Hadriscus ,

    I was

    Hadriscus ,

    Thanks I had to scroll way too far. Please upvote this guy

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