“I never thought the leopard would eat MY face.” These people got in bed with quite possibly the most godless person on Earth, Trump is very likely one of the first true Atheist Presidents we’ve ever had. He’s probably paid multiple women for sex and abortions, cheated on all of his wives, lies on a constant and regular basis, and is just generally a shitty person on every level. This is the person they hitched their wagon to to get Roe v Wade overturned. I sure as hell hope it blows up in their face.
I think it already is blowing up in their face, and agree fully with your sentiment. While atheists dont depend on religion to define their morals, they get the opportunity to self-define their morals. A narcissistic egotisticial born-with-a-silver-spoon person like Trump is a wolf in sheep’s clothing parading as one of them. He decays or corrupts everything he touches, and the GOP and evangelical Christians have been rubbing all up on him for 7 years. Both groups are in crisis these days.
The GOP has no true platform beyond revenge politics, and the churches are bleeding congregation members… people leaving either because they aren’t on board the crazy train of their church peers or leave because they’ve allowed their beliefs and morals to twist out of whack in conflict of scripture.
All that immoral behavior you mentioned reads much more like the behavior of an outspoken conservative Christian rather than an atheist. You know, all the “rules for thee but not for me” type stuff.
It may be true that neither of them really believe deep down, but only one is using it to look good while being shitty.
Just a note… whether he is atheist or follows a religion isn’t actually related to his garbage character.
I get it… I know some religious people mistakenly think that morals come from religion. So it’s interesting they pick someone who doesn’t even put on a show of practicing their religion.
Of course, as the rest of us know, any amount of observation in life will show that there are both decent and despicable people in both religious and non-religious camps.
But, yeah it is painfully ironic that religious people hitched their wagon to that lying, adulterous, greedy, gluttonous, (etc) slime bag.
So, sell your model 3 and then go buy an EV (or ICE) from one of the other automakers that fought tooth and nail to prevent the transition to EVs and sustainable transportation. Oh yeah, and the entire industry shorted Tesla stock for YEARS hoping they would go bankrupt.
Yes, Elon is a dick but people that get rid of their Tesla for this reason are god damned idiots.
On the other hand, go ahead and buy from Tesla whose CEO burns other people’s money with SpaceX and got in the way of California putting HSR, which could’ve potentially had other states follow.
I loved Google. They did a lot of great things for the world, they were the driving force behind all sorts of technology, and were champions of the web, upgradable electronics, and helping individual devs get their side projects off the ground.
Years went by, and now i hesitate to use chrome even though their debugger is the best, am looking at degoogling my phone and watching Linux phones with interest, and I recently realized I trust Microsoft more than them. I even use Bing before I go to Google these days - their search isn’t much better anymore, and Bing more than makes up the difference
You can’t give corporations or billionaires points for the past - they’re always going to go bad eventually. Giving them loyalty is like drinking tap water that used to be good but now is making your hair fall out - maybe it was good before, maybe it’ll be good again, but for tomorrow you should probably look at other options
There are definitely people who could upgrade from a Model 3 to a Model S, and they are choosing a different car because of Musk.
Furthermore, a lot of people have decided that supporting established car companies, with all their faults, is still better than supporting Musk. And they may choose to switch to the Bolt, Leaf, Kona, Ioniq or similar.
Why? Tesla did what was beneficial for them, the other car manufacturers did the same for them. Now EVs are here to stay, they can't backtrack and Tesla seems like they were shitty in their own way like outright lying about the range and suppressing complaints. That doesn't mean that the other companies are the good guys, the subscription seat warmers are fucking idiotic but that doesn't make Tesla good either.
Yeah, I’d rather not support the CEO who has actively scrubbed Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard off of Tesla’s legacy, has actively fucked with Cali’s HSR for his shit idea more or less meant to just prevent HSR in the first place, made a fire hazard into a “revolutionary idea” with that tunnel for Teslas, and calls people pedophiles because they call him out on his bullshit “promises”.
Maybe they’re just sick of answering “you support Elon Musk” questions. These are luxuryish cars[1] to begin with, these sort of people can probably afford to change cars based on “I don’t like the CEO.” Musk always acted like the “Steve Jobs” of the automotive world and sold Tesla as an Apple-like high-end brand. The risk you take is that if you’re an asshole instead of a black turtleneck-wearing hipster then your customers will turn on you.
I have always been surprised that the Catholic Bishops have been so willing to align, politically, with the evangelicals on this issue. They haven’t historically gotten along well. And the evangelicals were agnostic about abortion, until they realized all the money they could raise by embracing the bans.
If the end-game for this is turning the country (or even the red states) into a theocracy, Catholics are going to find themselves excluded again. Some evangelicals don’t even think they count as Christian. And nobody else is going to have sympathy for them, when the ruling class imposes their belief systems on Catholics, because it’s exactly what the Catholic Bishops have been doing to other groups through their support of extreme abortion bans.
Nah there will always be plenty of bigoted pastors, churches, and congregations for these people.
This may cause (another) split amongst Christians, but there’s no way they give up religion entirely. It’s far too useful to them as a tool of control and indoctrination.
Tesla is not just selling cars; it’s also selling a lifestyle brand about green energy and pro-environment technology. That brand is being damaged by Elon, which its owners accurately perceive and don’t like. So… here we are.
Agree. They have the best batteries and were ground breaking on the things they provided…but darn, those cars are louder inside than my Toyota Camry.
And yes, to an extent we haven’t invested in a Tesla because of Musk. My wife can’t stand him. We’ve postponed buying an electric and we’re looking to see how PoleStar develops. At least for our entry point.
Volvo’s had really great build quality for decades now. Polestar might be my first EV too, especially if they bring back a sporty hatchback like the C30
I mean granted yeah, it’s not perfect. But for me and what I need it to be done aka be fully electric and have a good amount of range along with a charging network, they have it all.
When other manufacturers adopt NACS and they open their charging stations there will be a lot more options and that are worth it. But for now I’m happy with the car.
I wouldn’t desire or try to change your opinion on the vehicle. I’ve had wavering interest in them myself but never enough confidence in the companies longevity to make the investment.
I definately agree, no car is close to 100%, but at least with tesla, they put more effort into it than some long time names, even if i dont neccesarily agree with some of their choices (e.g digital ac control)
Something as basic as getting maps to function correctly and consistently for some vehicles is a Challenge.
Nah, that’s all internet myths these days. The first 6 motnsh, maybe 8 from the Fremonth factory has panel issues. That’s not a thing from the Chinese or EU fa Tory and mostly gone in the Fremont ones.
Range is the same issue as your petrol one. No one gets that range as it’s under “ideal” conditions. If you want to be mad, be mad at your EPA and how they test and rate all cars.
All I have are internet myths and one semi-close friend with a Model 3 to go on. Theirs has some paneling alignment issues but they don’t seem to care.
I have only that example and what I’ve read to go on. The range issue is understandable, I’d thought it was simply more accurate since it’s an EV and not BS range we get with combustible fuel.
Consumer Reports‘ annual reliability rankings have been released, and with data from 24 brands and over 300,000 vehicles, Tesla fell near the bottom (19/24) along with Mercedes-Benz, Jeep, Volkswagen, GMC, and Chevrolet. Electric vehicles overall also placed poorly, being the second least reliable category of vehicles. Hybrids/plugin hybrids, especially those from Toyota, were found to be the most reliable.
I’m surprised hybrids have better reliability given their overall increase in complexity compared to either electric or ICE cars. Though frankly I’m not surprised Toyota does them well…
That is a bit surprising for the reasons you say. EVs having less reliability overall kinda makes sense given the market is still going through growing pains. I'm betting it will improve quickly given that most manufacturers are still ramping up production.
Because he won’t shut up and makes it well known he’s the CEO of Tesla, so yeah I would be embarrassed to drive one of their cars because I’m not a fucking idiot like Elmo Musk.
Teslas aren’t buy-it-and-forget-about-it. They are continually making updates to the software, and building new charging stations. My Toyota hasn’t changed since it left the factory (aside from normal maintenance), and Toyota doesn’t have significant influence on how I can get gas.
Virtue signalers. Weirdly that’s what people who bought it because of him were called so I honestly have no idea who to believe.
Buy them, don’t buy them. No idea why this has to be such a big thing. He’s a bellend. So was jobs. So was Edison. So we’re most people you’ve heard of. That doesn’t mean the product isn’t good.
At this point if you buy anything you’re ostensibly supporting some dick. You just have to pick your battles and at the moment I couldn’t give a crap what he says on twitter as I don’t use it and can’t wait for it and Facebook to be killed off. Doesn’t mean they make crap products no one about buy.
Honestly, tribalism is the worst thing on Reddit and lemmy seems to be more and more infected each day
yeah there are certain things they can’t do, like magically create population they don’t have. even the BEST predictions, based on China’s own reporting (which is suspected to be very inflated) say they are in for a very harsh reality demographically speaking.
Shrinking population +people buying as many apartments as they could as it was viewed as the only “good” investment (their stock market is a complete joke, filled with scam companies with fake numbers run like ponzi scheme). The real estate market there is due for a wild correction. The housing market in America has been manipulated by greed but at least there arent as many empty apartment buildings. Here people are least rent out their real estate and become slumlords…
Since Musk acquired Twitter, the Tesla CEO has started to voice his political and social views more frequently, as well as share controversial conspiracy theories.
This has resulted in a wave of people changing their minds about Musk, especially people on the left side of the American political spectrum. Many have suggested this has a negative impact on Tesla, which is intricately linked to Musk.
Maybe this is a cynical take, but will conservatives refuse a life saving blood transfusion because it may have come from a gasp gay man? I mean a bunch were refusing transfusions because the blood could have come from someone that had a gasp covid vaccine.
There are people who refuse blood transfusions because of relious beliefs and will let their children die. Of course there are some that would refuse “gay blood.”
Frankly dude, the amount of people, even fairly right-wing people who will be preoccupied with this is teeny tiny. I’m sure they exist but it’s a negligible amount of people. The person obsessed with stereotyping these people is you.
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