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Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I’ve seen quotes from damn near everyone else on Community that has said Chevy is a bastard to work with. If this is his attitude about the show, I can see why they would say that.

xantoxis ,

Oh, not just Community! He’s been a huge prick his entire career.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Ugh. I can’t imagine what his Family Vacations must have been like.

JokeDeity , (edited )

Chevy will die not understanding that being a shithead is why this all happened to him.

Thief_of_Crows ,

Its not really what he was saying, but he could have had a point. The shows writers really did kind of have it out for him (with good reason as stated everywhere else), and as a result they didn’t give him very much to work with. Even his use of the N word was directed at the writers, saying something like “pretty soon they’ll just have me call Donald N----r”. Its really a vicious cycle, because it’s hard to write good jokes for a person you dislike as much as the writers did chevy. And then Chevy gets even shittier to you because you constantly give him the worst lines.

VentraSqwal ,

They did seem to kind of lose focus on Pierce as time went time on. In the beginning he was a rich out of touch guy, but would give good advice every now and then still or a word of wisdom from his age. But then, the same thing happened to Britta, who got dumber as the show went on, and Chang, who got crazier as the show went on. It might just be a result of the same Flanderization.

ventusvir ,

He’s always been a bastard towards his cast mates. There was a roast of his where everyone railed on him for being such a pain in the ass to work with and it was absolutely getting to him. He deserves all the roasting he got because he has never shown a scrap of remorse.

Gogogadget ,

Sorry to link to reddit, but the hobby drama about this man is wild. I'd call him a bitter old man if he wasn't already this much of an asshole in the 70s.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/xk73sy/comedy_how_to_piss_off_everyone_youve_ever_met_so/

VentraSqwal ,

I had no idea that American Dad episode was a parody of a real roast. That makes it even better lol.

Squizzy ,

Chevy not being in the movie is a damn shame. I always envisioned the story being Troy sailing to find hidden treasure but it turning out to be Pierce after having faked his death.

KickAssDuke ,

That beast of a comment by Donald Glover. He is perceptive and also very nice. Love him

realcaseyrollins OP ,

His approach to discourse is admirable. He's woke, which I'm not a fan of, but he's respectful and has so much empathy for people who disagree with him that one can't help but respect and admire that.

CoggyMcFee ,

You’re not a fan of being aware of social inequalities?

realcaseyrollins OP ,

I am, but I'm not a fan of wokeness. I trust that you're not so dense that you can't tell the difference.

Madison420 ,

It’s not that you can’t define it, no…

realcaseyrollins OP ,

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you are dense.

explodicle ,

No, it’s certain that you’re wrong and they’re not dense.

Madison420 ,

You’d have to define it to be wrong, so take a leap rather than call people poo poo heads and run away.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

Look, considering you don't know what wokeness is, I'll spell it out for you: wokeness is critical theory, which states that, among other things, inequality is inherently bad or wrong, and must be rectified. You don't need to adhere to critical theory to observe that such inequalities exist though.

You can learn more about Critical Theory here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

Or about critical theory applied to race, commonly known as Critical Race Theory or CRT, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

That's my serious answer, with everything you need to know. After this we can be as silly or goofy as you like.

EGG_CREAM ,

Since your issue is with critical race theory, and you have stated in multiple comments that the problem with critical race theory is that it says inequality and hierarchy is bad, specifically when it comes to race, I guess its safe to assume you are a racist, then?

JokeDeity ,

He’s unabashedly a racist, consistently.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

If you adhere to CRT, I'm sure you would agree, even though I'm black, since under the CRT framework, it's not about hating races, but not advocating for equality of outcomes across ethnic lines. And this is how you get stuff like "conservatism is white supremacy" and whatnot.

It's all a bit silly, but if you're down with the silliness, go ahead. Call me, a black man, racist for disagreeing with Donald Glover, a man I greatly respect.

JokeDeity ,

LMFAO, do we have a c/asablackman yet? Go the fuck back to 4chan.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

4chan sucks and is full of cringe conspiracy theorists, no thanks

Socsa ,

I promise you that you never knew anything about critical race theory before republicans told you to be afraid of it like a year ago.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

Three years ago :)

strongarm ,

It’s not the same as critical theory, but it does have a crossover in concerns

realcaseyrollins OP ,

Perhaps; did wokeness precede critical theory? Or did they merge at some point?

strongarm ,

No, they are totally not related, critical theory is from the 1930s, Woke is from 2010

realcaseyrollins OP ,

Fair enough. So what's the difference between wokeness and critical theory? I thought they were more or less harmonious or synonymous.

strongarm ,

That, my dude, is something you will have to take a journey on.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

Oh. I thought you knew.

strongarm ,

I do know, but it’s not my place to change your beliefs, you need to do that yourself.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

If you know, I would like to know as well. Why keep it a secret, unless you don't want me to know the answer?

Madison420 ,

Look, considering you don’t know what wokeness is, I’ll spell it out for you:

Madison420 ,

Look, considering you don’t know what wokeness is, I’ll spell it out for you:

Madison420 ,

Look, considering you don’t know what wokeness is, I’ll spell it out for you:

stillwater ,

Wait, what is woke then if it’s not being aware of social inequalities?

realcaseyrollins OP ,

In a quick sentence, wokeness is critical theory, in particular applied to race, known as critical race theory.

To observe inequalities is not woke; what is woke is to believe that all inequalities or power hierarchies are inherently bad.

loutr ,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

What are some “good” inequalities?

realcaseyrollins OP ,

I think a variety of levels of pay depending on job position, effort, or skill is a great example. Not all jobs are equal, so they should not all yield the same amount of pay.

loutr ,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, that’s not what anybody means when they talk about inequalities.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

Interesting, since that's textbook income inequality.

What sorts of inequalities do you think of, from the perspective of critical theory?

loutr ,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

I sincerely hope you’re trolling… Have a nice day.

JokeDeity ,

Jump from a very high place.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

But I don't do drugs

JokeDeity ,

I highly doubt you’ve never tried methamphetamine. Every racist pretending to be black when they’re called out for racism on the Internet is big into it at some point in their lives.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

I've never tried methamphetamine, although I believe I have ADHD and I certainly wouldn't be opposed taking an amphetamine at some point in the future

Socsa ,

Holy shit are you 12?

CeruleanRuin ,

what is woke is to believe that all inequalities or power hierarchies are inherently bad.

That sounds like a thinly veiled way of saying you’re a supremacist.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

If we're both the lens of wokeness I'd agree, even though I'm a black dude, as under that framework it's inequality, not discrimination, that is racism.

stillwater ,

How can wokeness be a specific academic concept? That doesn’t make sense, CRT is CRT and it’s just an academic lens.

But what are some examples of social inequalities that are not inherently bad? Your other examples are not social inequalities. You’re looking at something like suggesting what kinds of systematic racism are good actually, not looking at things like the difference in pay between an engineer and a janitor.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

You would have to provide your definition of social inequalities for me to answer, since you don't think that my examples qualify as inequalities.

mahhkk ,

🤦

yata ,

Could you define “wokeness”?

CeruleanRuin ,

“Acknowledging that people who aren’t cis white males exist.”

PoliticalAgitator ,

He doesn’t actually know what he’s talking about. He’s flailing around trying to reconcile what the word actually meant with Republicans deciding to make it a trigger word for reactionaries.

He can’t just say “I don’t like him because I’ve been told to not like him”, but that’s functionally what it boils down to.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

In your own mind!

JokeDeity ,

Genius level comment. Anyone who says something like this really just binge watches Fox News and has no idea what words mean.

rbesfe ,

Turn off fox news and go outside

Blamemeta ,

no u

realcaseyrollins OP ,

I hate Fox News. Newsnation is where it's at if you MUST watch the mainstream media but most corporate media sucks to be honest.

Nudding ,

What does woke mean?

realcaseyrollins OP ,

What is a woman?

Nudding ,

Do you only speak in riddles or something? What the fuck does woke mean lol

realcaseyrollins OP ,

I'm surprised you've never heard of wokeness before, it's pretty prominent in America. Do you live in America?

https://narwhal.city/comments/109063

Nudding ,

What a weird link. Also it’s wrong. The dictionary says ​aware of social and political issues, especially racism This word is often used in a disapproving way by people who think that some other people are too easily upset about these issues, or talk too much about them in a way that does not change anything.

You should do more reading so you don’t come across like a dumb ass online.

No I don’t live in that shit hole country thank God lol. Corporations are people and money is free speech.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

Shoulda said progressive instead I guess 🤷🏾‍♂️

But I don't really care if random Internet people think I'm done, I don't live for the approval of people I don't know

Nudding ,

Yeah man, nothing pisses me off more than progressives and their progress.

skellener ,
@skellener@kbin.social avatar

Projection by Chevy Chase

theinspectorst ,
@theinspectorst@kbin.social avatar

My recollection from interviews is that Dan Harmon and the cast found Chevy just didn't get the show at all when they were making it. A huge amount of Community's humour is a mix of meta humour and pop culture references. In the same way that Pierce claimed to never understand what Abed was talking about, Chevy didn't understand most of what Community was on about - his frame of reference for what is funny hadn't moved on in decades.

Even though he's famously a dick, when he says he didn't think Community was funny, he might actually be telling the truth - not just being petty.

bionicjoey ,

That’s totally fine. As much as I love the show, I appreciate it’s not for everyone. It relies on a lot of pop culture knowledge and awareness of tropes and memes. It’s perfectly reasonable that he doesn’t get it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jonathan Banks didn’t get some of the jokes either.

JokeDeity ,

But JB isn’t an asshole, he’s a very grateful and sweet man, so the problem was definitely Chevy.

cabbagee ,

This explains why I didn’t get it. I thought Community was ok but never understood why it was so popular. To be honest, I didn’t think it was funny. Guess I just don’t get pop culture references. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

This coming from a man who knows "not funny enough" all too well.

ArugulaZ ,

That ain't it, fam. The Dungeons and Dragons episode was a riot, due in part because they made Chevy's character so nasty.

"You appear in the forest naked. You will die of exposure in fourteen turns."
McHale: "I wait fifteen turns."

retrieval4558 ,

Pierce was a good character with some great moments. That doesn’t mean that Chevy isn’t an asshole.

ThrowawayPermanente ,

It would have been funnier without him.

SuiXi3D ,
@SuiXi3D@kbin.social avatar

And indeed, was funnier when he left.

realcaseyrollins OP ,

No, I think that his ignorance and hateable nature made the show funnier

Hyperreality ,

Community ended almost a decade ago.

So I suspect what's happening, is that they're finally making a community movie, but Chase likely wasn't invited to join the cast.

PatrickYaa ,

Six seasons and a movie!

realcaseyrollins OP ,

In his recent interview with The Hollywood Report, Harmon said that he didn't even know if Chase was legally allowed to come back for the movie.

JackbyDev ,

Context: he was fired for using a slur on set

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

I know he’s a dick but that show is terrible.

sdcSpade ,

I'll agree that Community hasn't had a single good episode in the last 8 years, but before that it was great.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

I tried the first episode and the attempts at comedy were not great

BolexForSoup ,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

It's still a sitcom at its core. If you don't like sitcoms, you won't like Community most likely.

Alto ,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

I mean, the pilot is one of the weaker episodes in the series. They hadn't quite figured out what they wanted to do with the characters.

zaph ,

Historically the pilot episode is always the golden standard of a show, of course. In fact you really only need to see the cold open of any pilot and you’ll fully understand everything that the show will be about.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

But pilots have always been the worst episodes of most shows?

canthidium ,
@canthidium@lemmy.world avatar

I think your sarcasm detector broke.

Neato ,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

The writers of Community had a fun little game. Someone puts forward a racist or otherwise offensive statement. The rest guess if this was something Pierce Hawthorn said (Chevy's racist character on Community) or something Chevy said himself on set.

Decent article on how disliked and how much of an asshole Chevy Chase is.

StorminNorman ,

There’s a twitter thread where Alison, Donald and Danny play this game. It’s hilarious in a very terrifying way.

TomMasz ,
@TomMasz@lemmy.world avatar

He’s managed to burn every bridge and alienate anyone who might have defended him. He took his success on SNL and trampled it in the dust.

chaogomu ,

He burned his first bridges while on SNL. So much so that he's been banned from hosting a few times. It seems every new generation of cast has to re-learn the lesson of keeping the Chase ban active.

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