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I ordered my daughter a pizza, something I don't usually do. I got Domino's smallest size with two toppings. I got her cheese sticks and two sauces and tipped the driver 20%. $31.07.

Note I did not buy any food for myself.

To head off questions:

  1. No, I couldn’t cook for her. I’m suffering from a long-term illness where I can’t eat solid foods and am extremely smell sensitive. My wife is at a funeral, so I had to order food.
  2. She’s extremely picky and refused to let me order anything but pizza.
  3. We live outside of town, in a not very big town, with very few pizza delivery options, and they’re all at least this expensive.
  4. No, I didn’t also have to buy her the cheesy bread or the second topping or the sauces, but it’s nice to get my daughter a treat and that is no excuse for the order being that expensive.
  5. We’re in Indiana, so this should be ludicrous in terms of pricing. This used to be the pricing I would expect when we lived in L.A. and ordered from a good local place rather than a chain.

Edit: Turns out what I should have been infuriated about is people repeatedly telling me to get takeout and having to repeatedly explain why that wasn’t an option, having people not believe I’m sick, and being repeatedly berated for not magically knowing food coupons exist on the internet when I never order food on the internet. Oh right, and also being a bad parent for not forcing food my daughter doesn’t like down her throat or starving her if she won’t eat it.

By the way, I have another thing to be infuriated about. A huge storm came in and this happened to our trees. I assume I will start being berated for not cutting them down before that happened, but because I have no power or internet at home and have to go to the library to post, your further posts telling me what an idiot I am and how I’m an awful parent and how I’m not really sick will take me a while to read. Sorry to ruin your day. Maybe you’ll find someone else to treat like shit.

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Anyway, have fun telling me I’m the worst person on Lemmy, just don’t expect a quick reply.

Oh, and do tell me how stupid I am for not knowing that people who clear up and fix such damage have coupons on their website.

UmeU ,

$5 is a pretty cheap tip for a delivery driver tbh

Hawk ,

It’s an insanely high tip

UmeU ,

Someone drove you some hot food and you give them $4? You’re like Steve Buscemi in reservoir dogs.

Alexstarfire ,

Because a tip is meant to be extra. Not their entire pay.

UmeU ,

I wish I lived in a country where this was the case.

They are paid a base minimum wage plus tips to drive their own vehicle around all day, paying for their gas, insurance, frequent oil changes and tire wear, putting miles on their car further depreciating the value… the whole point of being a driver is for the tips. Even when people tip well the drivers are mostly taking a loss with the usage of their own cars.

Cryophilia ,

And also when you say “minimum wage” it’s actually less than the legal minimum wage, because our regulators have been systematically gutted for decades.

Hawk ,

I pay my delivery drivers exactly 0 tips. They’re paid a living wage, no tips needed.

UmeU ,

In the USA the delivery drivers live off of the tips… it’s not just high school kids working a summer job. A lot of drivers are working a second job to support their families.

If you live in a major metro area in an apartment building, gain yourself a reputation for tipping decently and you won’t have to leave your apartment. Tip poorly and you will have to meet them down on the street.

It’s not something I voted for, this social contract existed long before I was here.

If I had a vote to abolish the tip system, I would. In the meantime I make sure to tip decently so that the person who gave me service can keep a roof over their head.

badcommandorfilename ,

NO! I don’t think you understood at all!

Someone else hired a person and paid them 3.49 to drive hot food around.

Then a customer, who also paid the first person paid the driver more than their employer did.

If I could slap you over the internet right now I would.

UmeU ,

You want to slap me because I wanted pizza and then I also wanted the person who drove the pizza to my apartment to also be able to afford pizza?

I don’t condone the system, this is simply the pizza system that exists where I live.

badcommandorfilename ,

The slap was because you were blaming the person who actually contributed more to the driver.

The correct response is: Wow! The delivery fee was only 3.49! How do they expect someone to work for such a pathetic wage!

UmeU ,

Jokes on you… the delivery fee doesn’t go to the driver. Only the tip goes to the driver. That’s how fucked up this whole situation is.

Cryophilia ,

It’s not a high tip, it’s just a very low wage. So proportionally, sure, the tip is very high, but the root issue is criminally low wages.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It was 20%. How much should I have tipped?

UmeU ,

I’ll put it this way… for dine in tipping, 20% is fine. If you order a cheap meal by yourself at a restaurant, that $4 tip on a $20 meal is fine. The server probably didn’t have to spend more than a few minutes with you.

If you are a table of 5 with a bunch of drinks and a $200 tab, the server probably earned their 20% of $40.

For delivery, a flat rate makes more sense. If someone delivers 3 pizzas and some wings for $100, did that take much more effort than delivering 1 pizza for $20? Same number of steps taken, miles driven, gas used, time used, etc.

$8 to $10 makes sense for doorstep delivery in todays economy. $5 was fair pre-pandemic.

If you are getting a whole bunch of stuff delivered then I can see justifying a bigger tip, but probably not percentage based.

A $4 tip on delivery means the driver is taking a loss or maybe breaking even. They shouldn’t have to suffer because you had a small order.

The service you receive for delivery is not as directly correlated with the total ticket amount as much as dine in might be.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I was given four options for a tip: 10%, 15%, 20% and custom. I gave the maximum offered. Now you’re berating me for not giving more?

20% has been the tipping standard in the U.S. for decades now. For everyone who gets tipped.

So I have no idea where you’re getting this from or why you’re berating me for doing what was expected. Maybe berate everyone else who orders pizzas too and not just me since you’re one of the only ones tipping more than 20%.

UmeU ,

I’m not beating you, take it easy.

Ask some delivery drivers in any major metro / high COL area in the US.

Flat rate tipping for delivery is a lot more common than you might think; things have changed in the last 4 years.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m in Indiana and not in a major metropolitan area.

Which I also said in my post.

UmeU ,

While the dollar amount I suggested is particularly applicable to metro / high col areas, the concept still applies. The same expense/effort on behalf of the driver exists for a $30 delivery as with a $130 delivery.

The same cannot be said for dine in.

Flat rate for delivery, percentage based for dine in is a sensible solution which I didn’t come up with myself. More sensible of course is fair pay which negates tipping altogether but we aren’t there yet.

If small town Indiana is a particularly low cost of living area then maybe $4 is a fair tip. But where I am from, $4 doesn’t last five seconds anymore.

If it takes them 20 minutes to bring you your pizza, then go back to the shop, then at best they are making $12 per hour minus the mileage and gas and other expenses they incur driving their own vehicle… it’s a real shit job that can only be made better by decent tippers, until such a time comes that tipping is abolished (I won’t hold my breath).

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t take them 20 minutes to bring me my pizza because, again, I’m not in a major metropolitan area. It takes less than 10. I can get half way across town in 20 minutes.

Christ.

UmeU ,

I’m sure you’re right, those pizza delivery millionaires have us all fooled, but not you my friend.

In all seriousness… if $12/hour after expenses is a livable wage in bumfuck Indiana then that is not representative of the rest of the US.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus Christ, the person got tipped $5 for driving less than 10 minutes to deliver a pizza order, again the maximum amount suggested, and you think that makes me stingy.

Maybe blame Domino’s for suggesting I “only” tip $5 on a $30 order at maximum and, like, all the other people who tip far less than that, if at all rather than tell me I’m letting pizza delivery drivers live in poverty.

Also, I would hope they were delivering more than one pizza an hour and were getting tipped by others too.

UmeU ,

Chill, I conceded that $5 might be good in bumfuck Indiana. I didn’t call you stingy. I more or less just said that $5 seemed kinda low in this economy.

I am really only pushing the merits of the flat rate for delivery and percentage for dine in. The dollar amount of that flat rate can certainly be location adjusted.

I’ve noticed a lot of coffee shops have flat dollar amount tip suggestions lately, not percentage based. Your local pizza joint should try this.

That said, in bumfuck Indiana they probably are only delivering one or two pizzas an hour on average, so maybe $5 is stingy (:

Don’t take that last part too seriously, it is intended as a comical statement.

CyberTaco ,

My family have explicitly stopped ordering from Dominoes because of how insane their pricing has gotten. We have lots of significantly cheaper pizza options in my area that that are as good or are better.

Cryophilia ,

Use coupons. Dominos is the cheapest around. And they don’t force you to download a privacy invading app to get the coupons either.

HeyJoe ,

Sadly, I do order from crap places like this more than I would like to admit. Key these days to keeping semi low prices or get more food for the price is to have an account and order from the app. You can see all the deals and pick one that may work best for you. Some places are better than others. Most of Domino’s is a scam because the deal price should just be the real price. It basically penalizes people who don’t go out of their way. Good luck next time!

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I told my wife about the price and she said, “you should have used the coupons on the app!” And I was like, “why would I have the app? I almost never order pizza and I don’t want them harvesting my data when I do.” So I guess that’s the trade-off now. Your data for lower prices.

KevonLooney ,

What data? Your pizza order data? What extra data does the app look at?

I genuinely don’t know because I have pizza places that don’t suck. You can get a real pizza for $20.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You have no idea how insidious they are.

forbes.com/…/big-data-driven-decision-making-at-d…

sunzu ,

The bigger issue is having their app on your phone which provides access to things like your location etc

Cryophilia ,

You don’t need the app for Dominos, unlike most other restaurants out there. I actually order from Dominos more than other places because of that.

Lojcs ,

Last time I got domino’s a single pizza was the same price as the 3 pizza menu (excluding upcharges). Maybe that’s what’s going on

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Just bought some Domino’s pizzas. $2.67usd inc tax each for a large pepperoni (pick up). Unusually cheap discount, and it worked on me. Buying some pizza!

Invalid_name ,
@Invalid_name@lemy.lol avatar

Mod is retarded, don’t even try. Just rape his daughter lmao

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

holy fucking shit. what the fuck was that?

boatsnhos931 ,

You need to train your little slave how to run a gas powered chainsaw. I refuse to believe you didn’t know that stores have apps that feature coupons… NERD 😝

BeMoreCareful ,

Domino’s is pretty high for what it is. Not that it’s bad pizza, but…

Babalugats ,

Dominos is not bad pizza? Where are you based, or am I missing the /s?

werefreeatlast ,

What are you complaining about? That’s affordable! Don’t you make 180k? Obviously not! You might wanna read my take on the economy.

lemmy.world/comment/10828100

StaticFalconar ,

Looks like you could have saved ten bucks by ordering a pick up order and not tipping. Welcome to the price of convenience.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I could have if I were able to take the smell of pizza without having to stop the car to heave every few blocks.

Dkarma ,

They make large Ziploc bags and windows and trunks, bruh.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do they make them for people who go into pizza places that smell like cooked pizza? Do they make them for me while I put it in the Ziplock bag that’s pizza box sized, something I’ve never seen? Also, that would cost me even more money, so why would I do that?

Also, I can tell you from experience as someone extremely smell-sensitive- you can still smell food through a Ziplock if the smell is strong like the smell of pizza.

Xanis ,

Dude, stop getting defensive. Most people aren’t trying to directly belittle you, they’re offering suggestions. It’s okay to take them at pace, my dude. You are allowed to say “I wasn’t able to pick it up due to some long term complications. Man though, dat price. Woo.”

Some serious and not serious suggestions: You could call to order and pay over the phone and then request someone bring it out and place it in the trunk. You could put a couple masks on which will filter a decent portion of the smell. Walk backwards into the wind while carrying it. If your daughter is old enough and you trust her, perhaps she could have gotten it.

There are options. You posted this to point out and complain about the pricing, then get defensive when others point out how to make it cheaper. Most of us are reasonably sure you didn’t apply a coupon, for instance. Did you consider calling and asking if they could wrap the box in plastic wrap to mostly eliminate the smell, and apologize while explaining why? All we got is “Pizza smell too strong. Daughter picky. So pricy.” We get you have an issue and that is shitty though like of course people will offer ways to deal.

That said, I am sorry you’re going through a difficult time. It’s clear we aren’t aware of everything you’ve had to give up. I hope it gets better.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Walk backwards into the wind while carrying it.

And you’re asking why I’m getting defensive when you think this is a legitimate suggestion?

Maybe just accept that carryout wasn’t an option.

Xanis ,

I did say “some serious and not serious suggestions”. :P

scottywh ,

That sounds debilitating (and completely made up).

FlyingSquid OP , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I guess I made up all the posts I made about it in Casual Conversation you’re free to look up, including all the ones I posted while I was at the Mayo Clinic.

It’s been a long con going on since December of 2022.

After all, nothing on the internet is true.

Here you go, here’s a link where I made up being at the Mayo Clinic: lemmy.world/post/13867999

Here’s a link on another forum where I completely made up having my gall bladder removed and how that didn’t work: forums.mst3k.com/t/…/2520?u=flyingsquid

I’m happy to show you other examples of me completely making this up.

Edit: sorry, you don’t get to see my medical records, but I can probably arrange a video chat with one of my doctors if you’d like. Of course, that will probably just a fake doctor that I’m completely making up.

Edit 2: Check out my amazing Photoshop skills!

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Hikermick ,

The only thing I see wrong with this is you let your daughter boss you around

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Are you a parent? If so, I’d be very surprised you never encountered a situation where your kid was stubborn about something trivial like “no, I’m not going to eat Jimmy John’s, I want pizza!” And if you punished them for it, you’re a bad parent.

Giving a kid what they want when it doesn’t matter is not letting them push you around.

BonesOfTheMoon ,

Don’t even give that troll the time of day, amigo.

Rekorse ,

I am a parent and have a toddler and a preteen, and yes you let your daughter boss you around in this instance. They won’t starve to death and you don’t need to punish them either. Its their choice to participate with the family in meal times. Its not reasonable that everyone gets exactly what they want when they want it and its wrong to give in to those types of attitudes. Kids can compromise, and its funny how the food becomes magically appetizing an hour later when their stomach is growling.

Yes parenting is hard, they are emotional terrorists, but you are implying you have no choice in the matter. I’m not saying you made a bad decision either, just blaming the kid for it is problematic.

Thcdenton ,

I feel ya homie. I went from takeout everyday to diving in my freezer for whatever shit I got.

Cryophilia ,

The “I eat out every day” people amaze me. How? It’s SO EXPENSIVE! Even before the recent inflation.

Thcdenton ,

It’s a habit I learned from my dad 🤷‍♀️

LostWanderer ,

Damn, that’s lame! Domino’s used to be cheaper than Pizza Hut and decent pizza. I’d be annoyed too. If not for the sensitivity to food smells, you’d have saved money!

CodexArcanum ,

I can pretty rarely get under $30 for just myself ($50 for two i consider quite the deal now) and we live in a city with many options, and most places i would order from are about a 10 minute drive. I’m not saying it’s right or good, just that the prices you see are in line with what I’ve been seeing. Food is quite a bit more expensive right now.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a good 1/3 more expensive than it was pre-pandemic though. I could have gotten that order for $20 in 2019.

CodexArcanum ,

Absolutely. Pandemic “inflation” threw all kinds of prices too high and nothing is coming back down because most industries are so small that they’re all essentially oligarchies now.

I am dead certain that the pandemic has actually put the US into a hard recession which the Fed has been covering up with various tricks. I’m pretty sure that after the presidential election, whichever way it goes, the economy is going to tank.

Mac ,

Ordered pizza last saturday. Two large pies, one sau+pep, one pep+olives. $30.
Local joint/non-chain.

Invalid_name ,
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I love how retarded the average mod is. Lol

loudWaterEnjoyer ,
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