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Not buying a shaver from Philips again..

Edit: see comments for clarifications.

I am probably late on this one, but god damn this is one nasty trick by Philips.

Context; I recently decided to upgrade my shaver, from a Philips One Blade to Philips an all-in-one-trimmer-7000. As you can see on the pictures below, they changed the charger for the adapter by maybe 1–2 millimetres, just so the old charger could not be used by the old charger. Now, this normally isn’t a big deal, but with the new trimmer, the charger is USB-A only. Where’s the previous one had the plug on it instead. To me this is mildly infuriating as I know need to get an extra adapter just to charge my shaver in the bathroom. They had the exact same design for the chargers, yet changed it just slightly so they wouldn’t be able to be reused? Why… Philips… why?

Edit: many good points in the comments! I don’t know how to manually check the voltage, but seems like folks figured it out in the comments too. Should have just been USB-C!

https://i.imgur.com/fNnpTWe.jpeg

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Churbleyimyam ,

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/21f1aae7-ac08-48a3-91a8-1d87d5b8ee76.webp

HopFlop , (edited )

Nice of then to make sure you cant accidentally blow up your new razor because you assumed the old cable would work if it fit.

michael_palmer ,

So stupid idea. What if some 220V cable from a third-party manufacturer does fit?

HopFlop ,

Plugging in a random cable from some random manufacturer is not a thing that most people would consider doing. (Furthermore, I doubt that any 220V cable would fit, these connectors on the picture are smaller than they look).

michael_palmer ,

I have about ten of these cables, and they are interchangeable.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/36be460d-a6ff-46ac-95fe-35e00ac459af.png

uis ,

IEC C7

HopFlop ,

Yeah because they are standardized. However, these are too big to fit in that razor and the only reason these cables are interchangable is because they follow that standard.

Chee_Koala ,

These cables only supply power straight from the net, which is why they are interchangeable. I have some trimmers/shavers that use a similar cable as the one OP is showing, but they are much smaller then what you are showing. The trimmers have an adapter somewhere in between (because incorporating it into a handheld device would be bulky and… why would you want to?) So, because the power is ‘adapted’ it’s no longer interchangeable.

Zess ,

So infuriating that they would send you a charger that works with the device 😤😤 how fucking dare they

friend_of_satan ,

God, why don’t they just make it usb-c PD and be done with it?

hemko ,

This style of connector wedges itself watertight, so there’s that

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s my only issue with making everything in the world USB-C…

Different cables have different functions or even are able to handle different voltages and amperage and right now, it’s not clear what cable holds what functionality.

If there were some sort of international color code standard or something, it would be perfect. As of now, I have to keep track of what cable goes with what device.

Rhynoplaz ,

I’m with you. Our phones, the laptop, the Switch, even my vape pen, all use USB C, but most of the cables we have only work on half the devices. Kind of defeats the purpose of being “universal”.

uis , (edited )

Every cable should be rated minimum 5V 3A, have functional CC, power and data(Dp, Dn) pins as Type C spec requires. Which means it should also be capable of USB PD(still doesn’t need data pins).

AFAIK every in-spec cable should be able to carry 20V 3A.

Problem is not bad standard, problem is non-compliant cables.

charles ,

If all your devices are USB-C PD rated then you only need to have cables and wall adapters for your highest rated device as all others will only demand what they can tolerate when the handshake happens after plugging in the cable. The only exception would be devuces that don’t follow the spec but use the plug for cost saving reasons which is a completely seperate issue.

echodot ,

Because USBC isn’t watertight

dirtbiker509 ,

The one on my phone is though? It even knows when it’s wet and won’t charge until it’s dry.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Many wet-dry rechargeable razors don’t let you run them when they’re plugged in. Power cords + water = ⚡💀 ⚡

uis ,

You mean cable or socket?

Dumbkid ,
@Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If they are the same voltage just take a razor and shave some of the material away, I had to do this to get a c7 connector to fit into my xbox one, the rubber was just molded too far to fit

SkippingRelax ,

Shave

aleonem ,

All that shaving just to shave.

intensely_human ,

There’s a notch on my charger dear lemmings dear lemmings. There’s a notch on the charger dear lemmings, a notch.

BrownianMotion ,
@BrownianMotion@lemmy.world avatar

I can tell you for certain, I measured my plug phiips (foil and ‘one’) and they are both 14VDC. So short answer is that the plug charger would blow up the usb trimmer you have (which is 5VDC).

The reason I know this and measured them, was because I wasnt sure the two plug chargers were the same, and I didnt want to blow up my philips one.

friend_of_satan ,

Also the charger is required to show its voltage and amperage output ratings.

BrownianMotion ,
@BrownianMotion@lemmy.world avatar

This is true, but something about being an Electronics Engineer makes you want to check. (I didn’t even trust Philips to get it right, but they did.)

I didn’t go into detail, but simple Dashed/Solid line doesn’t tell you the whole story. Those simple wall warts are not fancy switch mode, or even old school rectified. I measured 14VDC unloaded, which I can probably guestimate in experience, to be a 9VDC loaded reading.

The actual reading on wallwarts are generally untrustworthy, unless its a thing from Samsung or apple, where the circuitry are what you would expect (switched etc).

DirigibleProtein ,

Remington also have different plugs for different models.

Saltarello ,

My Philips shaver does not work whilst charging. What’s that all about?

Luckily the battery is good but it gives very little warning when its about to run out. I dont grow facial hair very quickly or very thickly but several times I’ve had to leave the house partially shaved. Doesn’t make any sense. That’s the whole point of electricity, to use stuff whilst plugged in!

EvilLootbox ,
@EvilLootbox@lemmy.world avatar

Wet/dry shavers can’t be used while charging because some moron will use it in the shower while plugged in. That’s what the instruction booklet essentially said for my oneblade

piecat ,

Yeah that’s a regulatory requirement in some regions

Saltarello ,

Ah fair enough. This never occurred to me as we dont have a power socket in the bathroom. Also I’m a typical man so didn’t bother to read the instruction manual.

Muaadib ,

Some of the older models work while charging. For example the MG7790 or MG7750/49 (not to be confused with the new version 7910/49).

The reason I know this is because I recently bought one from amazon specifically because I want it to work while plugged in but they sent me one that doesn’t (MG7770). I sent it back and now waiting for the correct one to be delivered.

ra1d3n ,

I have both of these and one charger is 8v and the other is 15v.

K1nsey6 ,
@K1nsey6@lemmy.world avatar

Everyone of my Phillips trimmers use a different shaped port

gigachad ,

Please update the post with the facts from the data sheet OP

DarkThoughts ,

Are you sure they charge with the same specifications? This might just be to avoid potential fire hazards & damage.

june , (edited )

Yea, one might be alkaline nimh while the other is lithium. Or maybe even just different flavors of lithium.

bort ,

does that matter? I though only the voltage and wattage would play a role

june ,

A lithium battery needs a charging pattern that reduces voltage as it gets closer to full. And overcharging a lithium battery gets real spicy real quick. You also don’t want to charge them too fast because spicy.

Nicad and nimh batteries (I erroneously said alkaline above) don’t, you just blast it with a steady voltage until it’s done, with some nuance for nimh that’s not worth diving into here.

bort ,

thanks!

DoomBot5 ,

Makes 0 difference. The charging circuit is in charge of that logic and will accept whatever voltage is supplied (within spec) and step it down to what the battery needs.

Showroom7561 ,

Even thought I own a OneBlade (gift), I’m happy that my old-school, safety razor doesn’t have any of the problems these modern shavers do.

They are more reliable, and they give a better shave, and they aren’t plagued by planned-obsolescence, and…

Swarfega ,

I didn’t get a DE razor until I was in my late 30’s. Gutted that it took me so long. I never really liked electric shavers so used your average Gillette razor and suffered from irritation up until I switched. DE razors are cheaper (in the long run) and easily a better shave. Not to mention no irritation.

I’d say DE Razors are one of my life pro tips. It’s a shame the large majority of nations use the traditional safety razor but then marketing and advertising has worked it’s magic.

Shape4985 ,
@Shape4985@lemmy.ml avatar

My Wahl shaver has a charger like that

usualsuspect191 ,

The charging requirements have likely changed so the plug was redesigned sup you don’t fry your new shaver using the old plug/adapter.

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