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Anti_Face_Weapon ,

I don’t believe this for a second. You can literally just look at it and intuitively understand. Not to mention part of the standard elementary school curriculum is how to read a clock.

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Wait…you think those are intuitive? Fuck no.

Who’s going to intuitively know that “long hand pointing at 2” means “10 minutes after the hour”? Also, having the long hand for minutes is super unintuitive when hours are longer than minutes.

GaMEChld ,

May not be super intuitive, but getting rid of them is intellectually lazy. If you know an hour is 60 minutes, it makes enough sense.

If an hour is 60 minutes, 60/12 is 5 minutes per number on the clock. Long hand is minutes because there are more minutes in a day than hours. Or at least that’s how I can rationalize it.

If you can explain an analog clock that quickly, it’s just lazy for them to not learn it. It also has cross application to make people more comfortable with mental math and multiples commonly seen in trigonometry.

leadore ,
@leadore@lemmy.world avatar

Minutes are the smaller time division with 60 possible values so that hand is longer to reach to the tick marks for easier reading of the exact minute.

The hour hand only needs to distinguish between 12 possible values that are more spread out around the perimeter, so it doesn’t need to reach very far to tell which hour out of 12 it is.

Venator ,

Real reason is probably that the schools don’t have the budget to pay for the batteries, or for someone to make sure the time is correct on all of them in the school…

JordanZ ,

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    Venator ,

    In that case the rats probably ate the wires and they can’t afford to repair it… 😅

    Emmie , (edited )
    @Emmie@lemmings.world avatar

    Analog clocks are kind of annoying tbh. Sometimes you need that little extra energy you have to spend on wondering whether it is 11:37 or 11:38 already by carefully visually bisecting the circle section between 7 and 8.
    Millimetres of white space keep you wondering about the nature of analogue vs digital, discrete vs continuous and measurement uncertainty while you have better things to do but cannot just give up on OCDing whether it is exactly 11:37:30 already or maybe it is 11:37:35? And boom in these seconds you were wondering it is already pointless because it is the past and now it is time to wonder if it is 11:38:15 or 11:38:30

    Whereas for digital it is just:
    oh it is 11:11 on 11.11.11, how cool, life’s good

    Thus it is my opinion that analogue clocks are virgins whereas digital are chads

    el_abuelo ,

    seconds hand: am I a joke to you?

    Emmie ,
    @Emmie@lemmings.world avatar

    Most clocks have only two hands. Actually all school clocks I seen had only two

    el_abuelo ,

    There’s a huge difference between “most clocks” and “most clocks I’ve seen” - especially if your clock experience is restricted to schools.

    Do you see a lot of schools? Do you know whether the schools you’ve been to all use the same supplier? How broad is your school clock experience? How many clocks do you think you’ve seen, ever?

    Most clocks I’ve seen recently (I can recall exactly 1) have seconds hands. Regardless though I’m not suggesting “most clocks” have seconds hands…I’m just making a quip about how traditional, analogue, clocks have seconds hands to deal with the exact problems noted.

    Emmie ,
    @Emmie@lemmings.world avatar

    And yet in schools they don’t have seconds. Never had

    I still have ptsd thanks to that. Can you imagine? No seconds?

    This is pure torture that should be forbidden by Geneva convention. So uncivilised

    el_abuelo ,

    I cannot fathom such deep despair for I only live in a world of seconds.

    God speed my simple friend. God speed.

    DNOS ,

    Yeah we had a problem with the seconds hand in scools, too many students keep starting at them and we all know that if you stare at them time stops …

    sheogorath ,

    I love having an analog clock. It makes it feel like you have more time compared to a digital clock, making me more relaxed. For example, if the time is 12:34 PM, my subconscious will think, “Ahh, shit, 26 more minutes before 1 PM.” But with an analog clock, I read it as around half an hour before 1 PM. The visual representation also helps, like seeing that there is a distance that the hands need to travel to reach a certain time.

    All in all, I very much prefer having analog clocks vs digital when given the chance.

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I read both kinds of clocks differently and have to sit and process to translate between them. A digital clock I read as “six twenty-five AM.” An analog clock I read as “almost half-past six.” I usually don’t bother reading an analog clock at greater resolutions than a quarter hour.

    Emmie ,
    @Emmie@lemmings.world avatar

    No.

    guemax ,

    I don’t think this precision is necessary. We have an analog clock in our living room, and I often quickly glance at it to get a feeling for time. I don’t care if it is 11:35 or 11:36, I just think “Oh, it’s half past eleven”. At a train station, when seconds count, analog clocks are a dumb idea. However, then I also have my (digital) watch.

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    The specific time isn’t as important as how long it is until things are going down. You know the part of the clock the minute hand will be pointing at when it’s time to do shit then you got a handy little progress arc to check in on and instantly know when it’s time to do the things.

    Emmie ,
    @Emmie@lemmings.world avatar

    So you say that your bowel movements are synchronised with your clock?

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Kinda. Finishing my coffee is synchronized with the clock. I take a shit soon after that.

    carl_dungeon ,

    I heard they’re gonna remove schools because kids show up to them not knowing anything.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    Florida is getting rid of all the books at least.

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    So many edgelords in the comments shit talking younger generations for learning different things.
    Y’all sound like old farts crying about how schools stopped using slide rules and how modern music just isn’t as good.

    Pilferjinx ,

    I think keeping analog tech along side the digital equivalent is probably a good idea, just in case. Plus learning varied systems makes for more adaptable and smarter people.

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    There is some truth to that, but this doesn’t seem like the thing to focus on, if that’s the goal. Surely there is a better subject to fulfill those needs.

    Like… If we all forgot how to keep time, and we had to invent a new system of time keeping… Surely we could do better than what we have now.

    ziggurat ,

    You sound like someone who doesn’t know how to read an analoge clock.

    I bet you could figure it out if you looked it up. And you would be better for it ❤️

    EncryptKeeper ,

    Probably not. I can read an analogue clock and I am no better or worse for it.

    Wizard_Pope ,
    @Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

    What? Of course you are better off for it. You know how to read time more than one way.

    EncryptKeeper ,

    In what way am I better off for being able to read time in more than one way?

    lightstream ,

    Imagine life in the post-apocalyptic hellscape. All electronic devices have been rendered useless due to the EMPs from all the nuclear blasts. You, with your unfathomable ability to tell the time from an old wind-up clock, are viewed as a literal god among men (and women)

    Wizard_Pope ,
    @Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

    In what way am I better off being able to read cyrilic as well as latin script? Truly a dilemma of a century.

    ziggurat ,

    Jokes on you, because just that you learned to read analogue clocks, makes your brain more plastic. I am sure you know what that word means, but for anyone else, plastic means adaptable. The more things you learn the easier it is to learn more things.

    EncryptKeeper ,

    LMAO yeah right. If it wasn’t for learning to tell analogue time, I wouldn’t have had enough brain plasticity to finish college, oh thank god for being able to tell round time. I think you might need to keep chipping away at your own brain plasticity friendo because I don’t think learning analogue time was enough for you.

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    You sound like one of those edgelords who acts like grumpy old men who cry at young people for doing things differently.

    I bet you could stop talking and everyone would like you better ♥️

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    No publisher, no byline, no way to know what the source of the claim is coming from.

    But they did include a bit of meme art, so it seems indisputable.

    texasspacejoey ,

    Shouldnt we blame the teachers for fsiling to teach kids how to read the clock?

    Sunroc ,

    Brain rot is only a moral failing of the children. What more can the teachers and parents do?!

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Or the schools for removing the clocks, thus preventing anyone from practicing.

    RangerJosie ,

    ITT: Big boomer energy.

    KingThrillgore ,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    Recommend we call Clockwise “cap” and Counterclockwise “no cap”

    Glytch ,

    That works for “righty tighty, lefty loosey” as well

    marcos ,

    Kids these days do absolutely still know how to read analog clocks.

    Besides, they probably shouldn’t put effort into that. Those things are close to useless nowadays. It’s mostly a case of schools being conservative… but then, it’s not that much of an effort, so there are more important things to care about.

    Monstrosity ,
    @Monstrosity@lemm.ee avatar

    Actually, a lot don’t. I mean, like, at least fifty percent. You would be surprised. I don’t think it’s schools being conservative so much as it didn’t occur to teachers and staff that analogue clocks are frankly obsolete (I still like them). I didn’t read this article, but it sounds like that’s being corrected.

    Anyways, I really respect your attitude that it’s not worth getting bent out of shape or spending a lot of time on, I think you’re right. A lot of people get precious about it or, worse, make fun of kids like they’re stupid because they haven’t wasted their time learning to read, essentially, a sundial.

    Eatspancakes84 ,

    Not sure about that. For high school math it is still quite important that students are familiar with circles and angles on circles. Analogue clocks are a gentle introduction to this.

    johannesvanderwhales ,

    I’m guessing they know how, but it’s not as quick as just glancing at it. I mean fuck I’m in my 40s but that’s true for me, too.

    Noobnarski ,

    I do know how to read an analog clock, but I dont read it subconciously, because my brain works on digital time, so I will have to look at it and then figure out what that time is if it were on a digital clock.

    So if I see an analog clock I would rather look at my phone because that is just quicker than doing the conversion.

    If you want to know more, look at the video Technology Connections (2?) did about it.

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    I read analogue clocks subconsciously, converting them automatically to 24h time.

    TwistedTurtle ,

    If we only taught things that were “useful” then we’d be discarding half the curriculum. Stuff like history, art, and how a fucking analog clock works, is worth teaching, even if it’s not something everyone uses every day.

    marcos ,

    Stuff like history, art, and how a fucking analog clock works

    Well, I don’t exactly disagree… but one of those things is completely different from the others.

    I would agree more if we were talking literally about “how an analog clock works” instead of the convention to reading them. But it would still be a niche knowledge that you can take from Wikipedia if it ever becomes relevant to you.

    wuphysics87 ,

    If only they still taught how to read a sundial, but those damn new fangled analog clocks…

    openrain502r ,

    bruh I can read analogue clocks and I’m gen z. it’s probably rage bait though, so who cares :/

    isolatedscotch ,
    @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    it’s not rage bait, I’ve seen it happen plenty of times

    AlexWIWA ,

    Sounds like a fake article

    bitMasque ,

    So, schools aren’t even capable of teaching students how to read clocks anymore?

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    Schools have more important things to teach kids with the limited time they have

    bitMasque ,

    No, screw that whataboutism. When I went to school, I learned so much information that is virtually useless to most people, and not nearly enough skills and knowledge that would actually be helpful in daily life. I would like to see the situation improve for future generations.

    Analogue clocks are everywhere and being able to read them is still important. Besides, if schools aren’t even capable of teaching something so simple to students, I think that calls into question their ability to teach far more complex things.

    4lan ,

    Perhaps the fact that we pay them like 30 grand a year is a factor? That’s how much my one bedroom apartment costs 😂 there’s no money left over for food or loans or electricity or gas

    Financial stress has been proven to make you dumber

    bitMasque , (edited )

    Tell me about it. I feel dumber by the day!

    ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s because analog clocks are becoming obsolete. You can scream about the young peoples all you want but that’s the reality.

    bitMasque ,

    I’m not screaming about the young people; I was “the young people” not that long ago. Not everyone who criticizes education is an out of touch boomer resisting every societal change.

    Actually, analogue clocks have been obsoleted in almost every way by digital clocks for at least half a century, as digital wristwatches first hit the market in the 1970s. And yet, analogue clocks are still found everywhere. Classes, stores, train stations, homes, offices, not to mention the majority of wristwatches, still mostly use analogue clocks. In fact, excluding screens, I wouldn’t be surprised if most people came across more analogue clocks than digital clocks on a daily basis. They’re technologically obsolete, but haven’t fallen out of use.

    ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    Sorry I just assumed this was more boomer shitting on the youngins like usual so that’s my bad.

    bitMasque ,

    It’s alright, I totally understand. There’s no shortage of those around, unfortunately.

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I have to have an analog clock within sight in the morning. When I first wake up I’m too tired and bleary eyed to think about numbers but I know what angle the minute hand will be at when I have leave to catch the bus to work. When you’re familiar with an analog clock it’s far more user friendly than looking at some numbers and have to do some math. Sure it’s simple math, but first thing in the morning, I’d rather just glance at the minute hand and when I see the angle I just know.

    So I don’t think it’s not going away despite it being obsolete, it’s not going away because it’s more user friendly. Sure there’s a learning curve, but once you’ve gotten the hang of it, it’s a more efficient way for a human to get a sense of time, which in many cases is more important than having a numerical representation of time.

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    How is that whataboutism?

    It’s not that schools have become unable to teach kids to read analog clocks or kids have become unable to learn it. It’s not that they can’t it’s that they don’t

    But speaking of whataboutism, your argument is literally “well what about all the useless stuff that I learned in school???”
    How about they stop teaching useless stuff, and the first things they can throw out are cursive and analog clocks.

    wuphysics87 ,

    We also need to teach them how to write in cursive so they can read the declaration of independence.

    guemax ,

    They are creating more and more idiots out there. The trend of “Help, our students don’t understand xyz, let’s stop teaching that immediately!” is disgusting. Maybe think of teaching it in a different way or just spending more time on that topic?

    nexguy ,
    @nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

    Wife, for years, thought the “second hand” on a clock was called that because it was the “2nd” hand on the clock…which confused her. Took her over 30 years to realize it’s the “seconds” hand because it counts seconds.

    mercator_rejection ,

    I guess she is not entirely off, either. It’s called that because it is the second division of an hour.

    psycho_driver ,

    Not sure if true or clickbait, but if true it means we’ll eventually lose clockwise and counter-clockwise as descriptive references.

    crazybrain ,
    @crazybrain@lemmy.spacestation14.com avatar

    Or the phrases stick around and people in the future just wonder what a clock has to do with rotation.

    occhionaut ,

    Likely this.

    Emerald ,

    Yep. Like uppercase and lowercase letters. Cause back when type was metal the uppercase letters were in the upper case. And the lowercase letters were in the lower drawers.

    Shlocktroffit ,

    Righty tighty lefty loosey

    humorlessrepost ,

    Which today just reminds you that left handed women have lower standards for casual sex. Nobody remembers its origins in manual tool usage.

    WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

    Bring back widdershins!

    Apeman42 ,
    @Apeman42@lemmy.world avatar

    Turnwise and widdershins

    Sausage_Mahoney ,

    Ook?

    Halosheep ,

    Real talk, is there some benefit to an analog clock that would prevent them from all being replaced by digital ones? Being able to know exactly the time in a moment’s glance seems better to me.

    They’re certainly not better looking than a digital one, considering most of the ones used in schools are just the cheapest and most basic version they can get.

    Power requirements maybe? Longevity?

    AngryCommieKender ,

    It proves to be somewhat useful as an example when trying to teach fractions and decimals, something we are absolutely terrible at teaching. Incomprehension of fraction to decimal conversion is why 90% of people who say they are bad at math, say they are bad at math.

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    Teaching someone how to read a clock for the sole purpose of using it as a math example seems like a poor use of effort.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    I wouldn’t say that’s the sole purpose, just an additional purpose to being able to tell time. It’s also useful if the kid wants to be a pilot.

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    So what are the purposes? Nobody uses analog clocks anymore so afaict:

    1. To teach fractions
    2. Something to do with being a pilot???

    What am I missing? 😛

    Bytemeister ,

    Clockwise, counter clockwise. Classic time shorthand (IE, half past ten, quarter to eleven). Time estimations (easy to see a half minute on a analog clock, digital just goes from 2:00 to 2:01)

    I think analog clock displays are more elegant, and are overall nicer than digital. Personal preference though.

    PeriodicallyPedantic ,

    I’m not saying nobody should learn it, I’m saying it’s not a great use of school resources. If you appreciate the aesthetic or functionality, then by all means go out and learn it. I personally like them, but I think that it should remain out of the curriculum for purely practical reasons.

    I still don’t really see any useful skills that learning an analog clock teaches you, besides how to read an analog clock, which isn’t useful because analog clocks are so rare IRL.
    The handful of useful skills they assist teaching isn’t worth it because there are better ways to teach those things. The clock isn’t so good at teaching all those things that it’s worth using the clock instead.

    MrShankles ,

    Incomprehension of fraction to decimal conversion is why 90% of people who say they are bad at math, say they are bad at math

    I feel called out. I was in high-school Calculus (11th grade) before I “truly” understood fractions. Like, I honestly somehow managed to make it to Calculus without knowing how to add and subtract fractions without a calculator. Thought I was dumb in math until 9th grade algebra, and didn’t start becoming a bit of a math nerd until Calculus

    RaoulDook ,

    It helps give people a geometrical understanding of the cyclic nature of time.

    WldFyre ,

    Lol I don’t think that’s true, and I don’t think those words work the way you used them anyway

    RaoulDook ,

    Sounds like you just didn’t understand. Each hour of the 12 on the clock takes up 30° of the circle, and we measure time in cycles of hours, minutes, seconds that all match up well with the 360° of a circle.

    WldFyre ,

    Cutting pizza would also teach kids a geometrical understanding of how circles work, I don’t see how that translates at all to being innate to reading a clock. I know tons of people who can read a clock who suck at math. It seems like an incredibly weak assertion.

    RaoulDook ,

    Making any excuse to not learn how analog clocks work is what’s really a weak assertion. It’s not that fucking hard.

    pseudopsyche ,

    I prefer analogue clocks because I tend to have time blindness with ADHD, and it’s easier to see at a glance how much time is visually left in an hour or how much time is passing with an analogue clock. Just knowing that “15 min left” isn’t really as effective as being able to see a visual representation of “15 min left”, for example.

    Tudsamfa , (edited )

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/43608bd1-842b-4cb4-9bb9-1c09491c777a.jpeg

    Can’t do that with a digital display, can you?

    JeyNessuno ,

    It literally says on the image you sent how to do it with a digital display (besides, it’s pretty reasonable)

    Tudsamfa ,

    Yeah, but you have to imagine it, and some people have Aphantasia. Have a watch ready for when you suddenly can’t form mental images any more and also get lost somewhere.

    MonkderVierte ,

    Not if you can’t imagine analogue clock.

    psud ,

    Their method is “imagine a clock face showing that hour” how are you going to do that if you don’t know how analogue clocks work?

    Faresh ,

    Being able to know exactly the time in a moment’s glance seems better to me.

    That seems more like a pro for analogue to me. It’s much easier with an analogue clock since you get a visual presentation of time. Whenever someone tells me a time, I have to first imagine an analogue clock to understand what that time means.

    Scrath ,

    Honestly that’s just about being used to one versus the other. For me it’s basically the other way around

    windpunch , (edited )

    Genuine question, how precise do you need the time to be? Maybe you actually need precise readings for something. I figured that “on the 5 min marker”, “slightly before/behind the 5 min marker” and “in the middle of two 5 min markers” is precise enough for me. And I see a hand at these positions faster than reading numbers.

    I think for precise readings (eg. entering the time I start working), the speed is the same for me, but obviously I didn’t test this.

    I also think looking at the time but still not knowing what time it is a few seconds later happens less on an analog clock.

    I don’t know how much personal preference influences this though.

    psud ,

    Loads of places round working time to whole quarter hours

    kshade ,
    @kshade@lemmy.world avatar

    They convey time instantly, without reading. You don’t even need the numbers for them to work. It’s like showing a progress bar versus just giving the percentage as a number.

    pixelscript ,

    An analog clock is just three sets of loading bars with their ends glued together. You can tell geometrically what proportion of each division of time (day, hour, and minute) are spent and what proportion remains. You don’t even need the numbers.

    If you need stopwatch-level precision, sure, a digital display is superior. But how often do you need that? Most of what I need clocks for is, “Oh, it’s about a quarter to noon, I have a lunch appointment to get to”.

    It is my personal preference to visually intuit that the clock hands are roughly separating the hour into 3/4 spent and 1/4 remaining and use that to know how much time I have left to the hour, rather than read the symbols “42” on the display and manually do the mental gymnastics of “well that’s basically 45, which is three quarters of the way to 60 minutes”.

    I’ll admit this benefit is marginal.

    Halosheep ,

    I think that’s an interesting way to look at it. I find it easier to do the mental gymnastics, as you call it.

    Got_Bent ,

    You can use them as a crude compass next time you find yourself unexpectedly in the wilderness.

    WalnutLum ,

    From a practicality standpoint, a round clockface is easier to create a mechanical drive system for.

    You can create a digital mechanical face (see: Flipboard style numerical displays) but they usually require more gears and are more susceptible to wear and tear than the gears of a round clock face.

    The simplest designs for mechanical digital displays actually just take 24 hour and 60 minute/second circular displays and hide the other numerals as the clock face spins around. Technically this I suppose counts as both analog and digital?

    Example:

    Image

    As for electronic displays? Nah not much of a reason to use a round display unless again, you have an electric-mechanical drive and want to save on gears and parts.

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