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loaExMachina ,

I know someone said more or less the same thing when it was posted on Tumblr, but if the schools realize most of their students don’t know a thing they should know… Shouldn’t they teach it?

amotio ,

That is a good point, but analog clocks are IMHO in the realm of sundial clocks or audio casettes or floppy discs. Technology that was once usefull, but now it’s replaced by better alternatives. Time is after all just a number, and it does not matter how we choose to represent it.

BirdyBoogleBop ,

Digital isn’t better it’s just different. Also a tonne of wristwatches are still analogue.

unexposedhazard ,

It absolutely is tho. Usually more precise, 1:1 translatable into written text, can use the superior 24h system and uses the same reading system that is already taught in school anyways.

r00ty Admin ,
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Right! Just to prove a point, I am going to make an NTP enabled rolex, and sync it to my microsecond accurate local NTP server! :P

Incandemon ,

To be fair, I did have a watch that automatically synced itself to the us naval observatories atomic clocks over the air.

r00ty Admin ,
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Yeah, but you need to factor in the distance to the transmitter. Going to add at least a few microseconds to your time accuracy!

Unforeseen ,

Latency is accounted for in the sync process

r00ty Admin ,
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Sync process? The other comment was talking about the old receivers for the atomic clocks on SW/MW frequencies. It was a one way thing.

Now in theory if a receiver also had GPS they could account for the distance. But, then they'd get far more accurate time from the GPS receiver so..

loaExMachina ,

“Ususally more precise” > This depends on how precisely it is set, not on the display. Unless it’s a connected watch, but then it’s much more expensive and less energy efficient.

“1.1 translatable into written text” > Both are, you’re reading the same number

“Uses the superior 24h system” > Adding 12 to a number isn’t complicated. And with habit, most people who use analog watches and the 24h system know which position of the needle means what number in 24h format without doing the math. Some clocks don’t even have digits. Unless you’ve been sedated and woke up in a room without windows, you’ll know which side of 12 you’re on. And otherwise, you’ve got more pressing issues.

TheSlad ,

Wristwatches are just jewelry at this point tbh. They’ve been rendered completely redundant by cell phones. The only people under 60 who wear them are doing so as a fashion statement.

I’m sure a lot of wristwatch stans will downvote me but I don’t care I’m still right

Quill7513 ,

Ever since college I’ve always worn a cheap watch on my wrist least for the same reason my grandpa stopped keeping a pocket watch: its more convenient to check on your wrist for the time than your pocket.

Granted we’re getting way off topic here since except for a few years its ways been a digital watch. Asserting analog watches are more numerous in models when digital watches are more numerous in sales, therefore reading an analog clock is a useful skill is odd to me. When I was wearing an analog watch for my allergies it was a flieger because the mental tax of making the hands turn into a singular time was a frustration.

I learned, though, from this that how you present time changes how you perceive time. Kids who grow up with digital representations of time consider “the current moment” in a much narrower and instantaneous scope than people who grew up thinking of time as being a spectrum on a dial

variants ,

Watches are just more convenient. You don’t need to carry a phone everywhere and with texts and calls showing on the watch you don’t need to find your phone to check.

I use my watch with alarms/ timers to know when I need to clock out or in from lunch etc while I mostly leave my phone at my desk while at work so if I’m walking around the building I still get my alerts through my watch

curbstickle ,

For office attire or going out, sure.

If you’re doing repair work, running lines, etc, a watch is the choice. Your hands are busy, so a watch is what you need (Except for specific trades where you don’t want to risk it getting caught in machinery).

I can say with 100% certainty that I know large swaths of folks in their 20’s and 30’s who regularly wear watches. Some smart, some digital, some analog.

SteveFromMySpace ,

How many people wear an analog wrist watch to actually keep time anymore? It’s jewelry / a specialized tool at this point.

BirdyBoogleBop ,

I wear a watch for the time. I like it more than using my phone.

SteveFromMySpace ,

Yes so do I. And how many of our friends/colleagues wear an analog wrist watch daily to check the time?

My dad and my father in law are probably the only two people i know who regularly wear them.

DmMacniel ,
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Time isn’t just a number though. Especially not when it comes to clocks. And it’s also bound to Mass.

Skua ,

It's just a number equally as much as it's just the angle of the two sticks in a circle. Analogue clocks don't give a special insight into the nature of time

DashboTreeFrog ,

As someone who struggled with analog clocks into my twenties, being able to see the hands move gives me a better sense of time passing and I remember reading stuff that supported that. I have a better sense how much time I have left for something looking at analog vs digital basically and it’s a fairly common experience apparently

andrew_bidlaw ,
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Are they going anywhere, tho? They start cheap and are very energy-efficient, so I think they’d stay. If there is a probability to face them IRL it won’t be bad to learn how to read them.

Jrockwar ,

Absolutely not comparable to floppy disks. The hands are a representation, not a technology. Technology-wise, most modern “analog” wristwatches are quartz, and therefore digital, not actually analog. Yet we choose to make them with hands because that provides a better representation of the passing of time.

SteveFromMySpace ,

It provides a familiar representation of the passing of time.

bstix ,

Knowing a clock is more than just telling time.

When you’re walking with your homies you gotta be able to call out “gyat 3 o’clock” , so your fellow bros know where to look.

Tomato666 ,

I need reading glass (sigh I got old) With an analogue watch face I can work out the time, blurred lines can be seen. Cant read blurred numbers.

TheSlad ,

100% it is antiquated technology.

abfarid ,
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It’s not better, it’s just different, your comparison is flawed.
Personally, I prefer analog watches for most cases, because it’s much easier for me to do calculations visually. To add 6 to 7/19 on a digital clock I need to turn on my math brain (19+6=25, 25>24 => 25-24=1), but on an analog watch I can just visually read the number opposite of 7.

And that’s just one example, there are other cases, besides just being easier to read at a glance. I’ve used both digital and analog watches since birth, but analog watches are marginally better for daily use, where to the second precision isn’t necessary.

Quill7513 ,

its not in their standardized tests and that’s the only thing that determines funding. Its a nightmare …

Lemming421 ,
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Apparently it’s literally in the standardised tests… that’s what’s causing the problems! 😉

leisesprecher ,

Honestly, how often do you read analog clocks?

I mean, I learned it as a child, but it’s been probably months since I actually had the need to read an analog clock, and I’m just not used to it anymore. I have to think about it, 20 years ago it was just my spine doing the thinking and it felt effortless.

Organichedgehog ,

Every day?

loaExMachina ,

A lot, since I have an analog wristwatch and a wall clock. There were also analog clocks in several of the exam rooms where I last had exams.

I guess many people don’t use them regularly, but regardless, the simple fact that they still exist is enough to be worth learning about them. Not everything you learn at school is meant to be used every single day.

ramble81 ,

Every day? I use an analog watch face on my smartwatch, I have an analog clock in my car, I have another couple at home….

Cheradenine ,

It’s not just about telling time though. It’s about representing things in a different way. Correlating one thing to another, and making someone think until the representation automatically becomes the output. You are forced to see things in a different way, which is what learnding is all about.

Machefi ,

I know, it’s just a meme, but… The article. It’s about clocks during exams specifically, when students are under pressure and more likely to misread the time on an analogue clock.

bassomitron ,

Thanks for expounding upon that. It’s shit like this that gets spread around and older gens pat themselves on the back while shaking their head at the younger gen for not knowing something, despite it being taken out of context or even straight up false.

Skua ,

To be honest, even if it were completely true... okay? If analogue clocks are on the way out then there's no particular need for anyone to be able to read them any more. I like them a lot visually and have a couple in my home, but there's nothing so special about them that people would be missing out by using digital clocks instead

turbowafflz ,

Well, there sort of is youtu.be/NeopkvAP-ag?si=eWRyU6pjV71_ag8N

Skua ,

With all due respect this is literally just a guy saying that he's personally better at reading analogue clocks than digital ones for 18 minutes

FireRetardant ,

IMO all the more reason to keep them. In the real world we all have to perform under pressure. With practice they can learn to read the clock under pressure, maybe take a breath or two and slow down before trying to read it. It may be a simple hurdle to overcome but practicing overcoming these things is important for development.

leisesprecher ,

You on the other perform excellent in being abrasive, despite social pressure not to be an asshole.

10/10 no notes.

Organichedgehog ,

Lol that dude was not being an asshole. Getting a little defensive?

LesserAbe ,

You’re right it’s good to prepare young people for challenges. Still, that should mean challenges that would come up anyways, not artificially making things more difficult.

It’s good to know how to read an analog clock, just like it’s good to be able to read cursive. But both of them are outdated and aren’t inherently required in day to day life. Inserting them into a testing situation that’s meant to test something else is creating an unnecessary challenge.

FireRetardant ,

There are tons of equipment and tools out there that very closely resemble an analog clock and require the same skills. Pressure gauges for example. These skills are not out dated.

zourn ,
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Except, a pressure gage reads the number it’s pointing at. Not 1 hand means the number it’s pointing at and the other means 5 times the most recent digit passed plus 1 for each tick mark.

I’d wager that most people would never even see a pressure gage with two hands. Dual-indicating double-bourdon tube differential pressure gages are quite rare in the real world. Usually for that kind of application you’d go digital.

vrek ,

Not to mention the amount of analog clocks that are just wrong. I work at a fortune 500 company, most clocks are digital and synced to a time server. Every analog clock is wrong. Just yesterday I walked through the cafeteria and glanced at the clock and it read 5:20… For a second I panicked and was like it can’t be that late. I checked my phone, it was 3:06. The clock was just not set properly.

RandomVideos ,

Kids cant ask the teacher for the time?

At my school, because the clock was always between 2 and 10 minutes wrong, the students(mostly me) would just raise their hands and ask how much time they have left

sepiroth154 ,

Isn’t it their job to teach them then?

Zoboomafoo ,

Time’s an illusion anyways, might as well

SteveFromMySpace ,

Lunchtime doubly so

SteveFromMySpace ,

DAE younger generation bad

carl_dungeon ,

I heard they’re gonna remove schools because kids show up to them not knowing anything.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Florida is getting rid of all the books at least.

Rooskie91 ,

Sounds like divisive bullshit.

After all the millennial horseshit we had to hear in the 2010’s and we’re just gonna turn around and do the same shit, huh?

Frozengyro ,

Yup, hating on the next generation is a tale as old as time. Idk why, but every generation seems to do it. Maybe it’s being uncomfortable with them being different or afraid of their youthfulness. I don’t get it.

RubberElectrons ,
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I’m not gonna do that, fuck that. I do hope this much screen time is ok for kids, even as a young programmer I didn’t have an iPad everywhere. Nobody seems concerned about their privacy, but guess what: neither did my millennial peers.

I think everything will be ok with alpha and Z. Let’s not repeat our the mistakes of our parents.

akilou ,

Alternate title: Students cannot tell the time because schools are removing analog clocks from the classroom

2ugly2live ,
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When I worked data entry, there was a chart for cursive as people couldn’t understand cursive writing, and these were adults. I think this may check out (not because they’re lacking, but because they probably weren’t taught).

Spacehooks ,

Yeah but people’s cursive is more inconsistent than print. It can be super bad and print is more practical. You could say it’s Same with a digital clock but an analog clock is always the same with circle and 2 hands while I don’t know what characters people are trying to do with cursive.

linkhidalgogato ,

1 if u dont kids how to do a thing they dont learn

2 and more importantly; finally, analog clocks have no place in our wold and every last one should be in trash they serve literally no purpose, i have always hated them and i will delight in their death.

Iampossiblyatwork ,

What if I want to know the time?

linkhidalgogato ,

digital clocks will rule the world our time will come ur children’s children wont even say clockwise and anti clockwise cuz they wont know what those are

Daxtron2 ,

This would be gen alpha at this point no?

AFaithfulNihilist ,
@AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve worked in 2 different schools in the IT department and 4 others as a volunteer lecturer (I got a name tag that said Technology Evangelist) I found that putting an analog clock in the screen saved of computers in the classroom was more likely to result in the clock actually being on time.

Too many clocks in classrooms are very old or even battery powered but neglected.

I don’t think kids are dumb just they aren’t getting a world that is properly maintained by competent people that care about their work and are adequately resourced to do the whole job.

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