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naevaTheRat , (edited ) in *insert "bomb them" sound effect*
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You are literally spreading propaganda against climate protest.

Why? Do you want to discouraged protest? Do you want to distract from the environmental vandalism of oil companies? Do you want to empower governments to pass anti protest measures?

What is your goal here? If you are trying to recruit for an eco terrorist cell surely you’d do better psyching people up rather than ridiculing some of the most risk-comfortable protesters.

edit: You know I’m actually not done. They haven’t destroyed any paintings, they threw soup on glass. Unlike the fossil fuel industry which has destroyed like entire fucking species, in unknowable numbers.

Also you want to whinge about a blocked road but want people to destroy pipelines? what do you think happens when petrol stations can’t get fuel? Sure seems like that’ll stop even more people getting to work on time.

Could you uncritically absorb oil company astroturfing and pro status quo media bullshit a little less eagerly?

relevant usa civil rights quote applies:

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

Your armchair iamvertsmart take is counterproductive.

MattWalsh OP ,
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CarbonIceDragon , in The older I get, the less I pretend to care
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I dont think Ive ever even pretended to think they are, for me children, especially babies and toddlers, give me a pretty bad case of the uncanny valley effect and look eerie and cause discomfort, as well as anxiety since Im even less sure than usual what they’re going to do and dont want someone’s kid getting hurt because of something I failed to notice. I dont hold it against them or hate children for it, its not their fault after all, but I do try to avoid being around them where practical.

Bbbbbbbbbbb , in The older I get, the less I pretend to care
electric ,

Please be fake. :(

Sanctus , in *insert "bomb them" sound effect*
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The chad is just an ecoterrorists. Both are valid forms of saving the environment. The chad will become more common as more realize we are out of time and as more die due to climate change.

MNByChoice ,

The chad is just an ecoterrorists.

Pretty sure the Chad is trying to defend their country by destroying the aggressors revenue stream. (I could have missed some other news though.)

rockerface ,

We can do both at the same time

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

I mean yeah, in the context of Ukraine. You take that out of the war and its classified as terrorism to just destroy oil refineries I’m pretty sure

Sekoia , in *insert "bomb them" sound effect*

I’m assuming this is referring to JSO.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil

Beginning on 1 April, they carried out England-wide blockades of ten critical oil facilities, intending to cut off the supply of petrol to South East England.[33][34][35]

On 26 August, the group blocked seven petrol stations in Central London and vandalised fuel pumps. Forty-three people around London were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage.

On 20 June, the protestors spray painted private jets at a private airfield at Stansted Airport. The group had been targeting a jet belonging to singer Taylor Swift, but could not locate it.[140]

Yes, a lot of their protests are “awareness” stuff (basically none of which do actual damage. Unlike oil, actually!). No, it’s not just that. The UK isn’t an active warzone so bombing stuff is slightly more difficult to justify.

li10 ,

I do question the awareness they’re raising tho, it’s not getting people on their side. It’s not. Full stop.

It’s pushing people away and distracting from the actual issue. People liked the private jet attack, people fucking loathed the stone henge stunt.

Just stop oil is a news topic for Talk TV and GB news to make people hate the idea of protecting the environment, and it’s working.

conditional_soup ,

If you’ve got better ideas, we need them, get out there and get on it. As it is, we’re sleepwalking into catastrophe.

jonne ,

They did say what works and what doesn’t. Attack private jets and block oil refineries, don’t spray paint Stonehenge or paintings. It’s not hard to figure out what’s going to be popular and what isn’t.

naevaTheRat ,
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NOBODY SPRAYPAINTED STONEHENGE

they threw corn starch on it. Corn starch.

actually loads of people do spraypaint stone henge, but JSO didn’t.

jonne ,

Yeah, people don’t care that it washes off easily, they don’t hear about that part, the point is that those actions aren’t popular, painting/blocking private jets is, so just do more of that instead?

naevaTheRat ,
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How many times have your heard about them painting private jets in the news?

jonne ,

There’s that one time they did it, also the time they breached the private jetway in Schiphol and cycled around. Not sure if it happened more times.

naevaTheRat ,
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Did you know about this before searching it out? Their other activities?

How many articles did it get in major papers approx? How many days reporting?

jonne ,

I didn’t search it out, that’s what I remember from it being reported on at the time, ie. the thing you asked me about.

yetAnotherUser ,

Hardly anyone supports painting/blocking private jets. Remember, nearly everyone believes they’re just temporarily embarassed millionaires.

Darorad ,

Nobody hears about them shutting down oil factories, attention getting stuff is why those are talked about.

They never do any actual harm either, like Stonehenge was cornstarch, it’ll all be gone the next time it rains. They paint the glass in front of paintings, not the paintings themselves.

lone_faerie ,

Defacing art is a historical form of protest. The Suffragettes vandalized multiple paintings which are now memorialized for it.

womensarttours.com/slashing-venus-suffragettes-an…

li10 ,

My better idea is to not do dumb shit that actively turns people (voters) against the cause. Egg some politicians, paint some private jets, people love that shit.

Besides just saying “AwArEnEsS”, what does JSO actually achieve?

Every single person on the planet is aware of climate change, what we actually need to do is convince people to take action. JSO actively convinces people to vote against action on climate change.

Sekoia ,

… The root of the thread you’re replying’s main body is stuff JSO has actually achieved.

li10 ,

The point I’m trying to make is that despite the good stuff they may do, it’s overshadowed by the dumb shit that’s turning people against the cause.

Those actions didn’t achieve much, and I’d say anything they did achieve has been undone by their other antics.

Do you know anyone who has been convinced by JSO to take more action against climate change? It’s only people who are already onboard cheering them on.

I know a few people who have become more anti green because of JSO, and general consensus among anyone I know is that JSO is doing more harm than good.

bloodfart ,

I have been convinced.

I used to think like you, that it’s counterproductive, but if anything they’re not going far enough.

someacnt_ ,

So sad we cannot bomb the oil facilities.

petrol_sniff_king ,

I know a few people who have become more anti green because of JSO,

And you let them? What kind of limp-dick shit is this.

pingveno ,

Every single person on the planet is aware of climate change

I’m still trying to get my husband’s uncle to get off his easy out of “well I guess it’s happening, but humans didn’t cause it.” He, along with a lot of other people, are in an echo chamber. Obviously plopping pigment on monuments isn’t going to do shit to convince them, but I don’t know what will.

far_university1990 ,

Bomb them

Potatisen ,

“Full Stop”, lol.

Is that the current temper tantrum buzzword?

I’m sure it is, FULL STOP!

li10 ,
sensiblepuffin ,
@sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. It belies the fact that they don’t want to think about anything past surface-level reactionary takes.

grrgyle ,

I didn’t loathe it.

als , (edited )

The reason they stopped directly targeting oil infrastructure in the UK is because the oil/gas giants bought injunctions (private laws) banning protest near them, leading to people going to prison for holding signs on a grass verge outside an oil refinery.

Sekoia ,

Wow, I didn’t know that! That’s absolutely wild

ummthatguy , in The older I get, the less I pretend to care
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EmperorHenry , in Flat to not flat
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I don’t think the vast majority of self-proclaimed flat earthers actually believe that shit

DakRalter ,
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Most of the big names in the flerf community are grifters, for sure. But many of the people who follow them are genuine believers. I have a relative who’s a die-hard flerfer.

Sheeps and Neeps was a small time flerfer who literally died because his conspiracy theory beliefs about cancer treatment, and there was that guy who went up in a rocket and came down in pieces. So some of them really do believe it. In my relative’s case, he went through a lot of trauma, flerfers give him a sense of belonging and something to hold onto.

EmperorHenry ,
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But many of the people who follow them are genuine believers.

I don’t believe that, even if they say they do, I don’t believe that they actually believe it

Montagge , in The older I get, the less I pretend to care

I called one of my nephews meatloaf for a long time because he kind of looked like a pink meatloaf as an infant

NakariLexfortaine , in The older I get, the less I pretend to care

“All babies look vaguely like Winston Churchill”(to absolutely brutalize a Good Omens quote).

Num10ck ,

suddenly you get why Patton Oswalt looks familiar.

9point6 , in The older I get, the less I pretend to care

Everyone keeps telling me “you’ll understand when you’ve got one”

I’m thinking that’s a pretty irresponsible gamble

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds a bit like Stockholm Syndrome.

Num10ck ,

it kind of is, but its instinctual. you suddenly see your own childhood reflected from a new parental perspective, and you suddenly understand countless things you never did. you see yourself as part of a chain of parent/child stretching back a billion years… you see unspeakable purpose in protecting and nurturing and loving and raising this floppy lump of screaming snot into a future lovable thing. they look like you, with the most innocent eyes, and they can not quite hold up their own head.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Or… that’s the result of hormonal changes and the brain creating an excuse for the cognitive dissonance that results. It’s an evolutionary trait to further propagation of the species, nothing more. Your mind tricking you into liking something because you created it. The human mind creates fantasies all the damned time typo cope with situations.

In a different context. Your abuser isn’t that bad, they provide for you, give you a place to stay, and clearly care for you, just in their own way. Clearly they actually love you and you need to return those feelings to show your appreciation. The physical abuse is only a small punishment when you misbehave, you deserved it.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

As someone who has a child and is also a survivor of abuse: it’s in very poor taste to compare babies to abusers.

halcyoncmdr , (edited )
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You seem to be under the impression that your opinion of a random meme and joke response comment on the internet is something we should care about. We don’t know each other, this isn’t Facebook, there’s no reason to fake being nice on a site like this. I’ll probably never see you again, your judgement of a random comment means very little to me. My original comment wasn’t meant as any more than a bullshit joke comment, but since you want to make it more…

I never compared babies to abusers. I compared Stockholm Syndrome to the evolutionary mental and hormonal responses parents have for their progeny. They’re both unconscious mental responses brought on by an external stimulus. An inconvenient comparison of course, but simple.

Back to the actual topic of the post… I don’t think anyone’s baby is cute, including yours, they’re all ugly bloated sacks of skin. And no the baby’s disproportionate features don’t actually look like either parent at that age. You want it to be true and your mind is giving you what you want.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
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Yeah, babies are ugly. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a baby I would consider “cute”. Grody little misshapen potato humans.

dharmacurious ,

Yeah… I see where you’re coming from, but… Just no. I’m a caregiver for my mother, and it’s very similar to what others are talking about. Being responsible for someone you love can be a wonderful thing. If you don’t want kids, don’t have them, if you’re not close to your parents, don’t agree to be their caregiver. But that sort of familial love, knowing that you are doing what you can to make life as good as possible for another human is an amazing feeling, even when it’s frustrating. Even if there are massive hormonal changes in parents when they have kids, which there are, it doesn’t negate anything about the love they feel for their children. Babies are not manipulating you. Hormones help us form those bonds, but the bonds are real nonetheless.

i_stole_ur_taco ,

I have one. It’s a fucking lie.

HappycamperNZ ,

I have (had- grew up) 3. They are cute - its a natural defense mechanism so we don’t throw them in the bin when they are up at 3am for the 22nd night in a row.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah, it’s true.

Honestly, I didn’t even like mine, to begin with. But they grew on me. The hormones had me tolerating all the craziness that small creature put me through.

Love 'em to bits now that they’ve grown past that stage!

iarigby ,

thanks for sharing this, it’s really encouraging to know that I don’t have to feel the connection immediately

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
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You absolutely don’t have to! Parenthood is not always an instant connection. I loved my child, sure, but they were more like a needy roommate to start off. I developed the bond as we went. It eventually clicked after some months.

And remember: you always love your child– but it’s okay to have times where you just sometimes don’t like them. Especially good to remember during the toddler stage!

casmael ,

Rip

PunnyName , (edited )

I’ll never understand since I don’t want kids.

casmael ,

Based

Samsy ,

I think it’s something genetical. Your own baby could be the most ugly of all, but you think it’s the cutest.

Ifera ,

Genetical in the sense that you are programmed to behave like that, not in the sense it has to be yours to prompt said response. Paternity fraud is no joke.

Hextubewontallowme , in This has to be a joke...
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Yet you participate in a society…

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/f6530ab2-993c-4fa9-9f23-08151d181af2.png

Seriously, though, we have many flavors of ice cream here, choose one that you fancy and don’t focus on changing one… unless you’re a mod, lmao

PunchlineReplaces ‘flavors of ice cream’ with lemmy instances

ID411 , in The older I get, the less I pretend to care

Imagine what the internet is like for someone that feels that way about cats and dogs

SexualPolytope ,
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That’s me. I do find some images of puppies or kittens cute though. But never the grown up ones. And it’s not that bad. I just don’t go to those communities.

Bye , in *insert "bomb them" sound effect*

Based

Imagine how much better the world would be if gas cost $100 per gallon

conditional_soup ,

Gas prices mean nothing if you can take the train. Every time gas prices jump, people start thinking about alternatives. Might be pretty sick, actually.

Bye ,

Exactly.

If gas cost $100 per gallon, cities would HAVE to build trolleys or subways. Which is my dream. I just want trains

CyberMonkey404 ,

Nah, you’ll just be paying more for the gas

PunnyName ,

Much

Halosheep ,

I, for one, would be whole lot poorer and a while lot hungrier.

Idk where you get your food from, but mine comes from a, store up the road a bit and is mostly delivered using vehicles that use gasoline to deliver it there.

Xavienth ,

Of course, that would never change in the face of changing financial incentives. The world as it is is the world as it ought to be.

PunnyName , in The older I get, the less I pretend to care

“Relax, I don’t want your baby, I already ate.” - Richard the Warlock

Delonix , in Erdtree sm sm

I finally got civ vi on sale for 90% off just gotta be patient, less bugs also

marcie ,
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everyone is a sap for beta testing a game for 8 years, lmao

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