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DoucheBagMcSwag , in USA presidential candidates

Trump world be Mr burns, Snake or Sideshow bob

ziixe ,
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He’s all four at the same time

bane_killgrind ,

Immoral, malicious, unhinged

PeriodicallyPedantic ,

Sideshow Bob is way too smart to be compared to trump

hakunawazo ,

Snake is stronger, Sideshow Bob is much more intelligent and Mr. Burns knows how to run a business. Unfair comparison.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Ah fuckin hell

octopus_ink , in Debate this!

I’d give my life savings to see this from Sanders. Of course, then we’d lose him, so it would have to be part of his retirement announcement.

boatsnhos931 , in USA presidential candidates

Onnnneee is the loneliest number that there ever was

udon , in Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

Hello from Japan! :)

mrgreyeyes ,

After nuclear accidents, you get to make anime without shame.

StThicket , in USA presidential candidates

It amazes me that one of the largest countries in the world, with the most diverse demographics, can only chose between two candidates. This is not democracy. It’s a shit show that has been going on for far too long.

Cowbee ,
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America is a one party dictatorship, and in typical American extravagence, it has two of them.

pingveno , (edited )

Said by a man who ran a country that outlawed all but the party he was prime minister of. He was probably a little salty about criticism over the lack of democracy in his country.

Hirom ,

Tradition and inertia.

The USA is proud to have the oldest and longest-standing written constitution. The fact it hasn’t been rewriteen in a long time help explain why there’s still an electoral college, slavery for prisoners (13th amendements), and weak regulation of campaign finance.

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

Oldest active constitution is San Marino.

xor ,

Presumably what the other commenter was referring to is the US having the oldest codified constitution

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
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Which is honestly meaningless but very convenient for US narrations. There were also older de facto constitutions, which are usually forgotten like the Henrician Articles of P-L Commonwealth. US constitution is famous because it was the one which was loudly proclaimed and imitated later.

xor ,

Ok 👍

Hirom ,

That’s interesting. Thanks for pointing it out.

My point is having a very old constitution isn’t much of a boast if keeping it as-is causes political issues.

Linkerbaan ,
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Just mention an alternative and you’ll will quickly understand why.

The parties have done the most amazing job in pretending the world will end at every election if they are not chosen.

capital ,

Is that a 3rd option in a first past the post system?

Hmmmm… what could be the issue there I wonder.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The people are the issue not the system

capital ,

There is absolutely an issue with first past the post voting systems. And frankly I think you know what the problems are.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

That people are so desperate to keep it in place.

FTFP is never going go away if you keep voting for it lol.

capital ,

How surprising. A comment meant to discourage voting.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Vote for something different than the ftfp parties.

pingveno ,

That’s not how it works. As long as FPTP exists, it will lock us into two parties. We have had multiple party systems that all demonstrated this principle. Some places are experimenting with alternatives on the state and local level, but it will take time.

capital ,

You’ve already got one response to this which is correct. I want to add to it to help explain how FPTP voting systems result in a 2 party system and simply voting for another party does not solve the issue.

But first you’re either aware of the problem and want to encourage people to vote third party while pretending not to know how the system works or you’re actually just ignorant to the issue.

I don’t normally like video links in discussions like this but this one is especially good and is only 6.5 mins.

youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Your video does not explain how voting Democrat is going to fix the FTFP system.

People that don’t understand politics have a better understanding than people that have been frog-boiled into voting for a Genocidal Geriatric.

capital ,

The presidential vote isn’t where we fix the voting system. We have to work in the system we have. It’s just reality.

My assessment of you hasn’t changed - you’re either completely ignorant or want Biden voters to change to third party to help Trump.

Every interaction with you has a similar quality. I’m never sure if you’re just this stupid or if you know exactly what you’re doing.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The presidential vote is where it’s fixed. Republicans have already moved to ban other voting types calling them ‘too complicated’. Democrats will join them the second their duopoly is endangered.

Just like how they crack down on student protests and block ballot access for third parties, Democrats have no standards either.

capital ,

The system exists as it is…. I don’t know any other way to say this. FPTP has a spoiler problem that you can’t wish away.

I’m not going to vote for a candidate that’s going to get maybe 2-5% of the vote.

I would like to bet you $1000 that either the Dem or Rep candidate will win. If anyone BUT those two win, I would pay you.

If you ACTUALLY believed anyone else will win, you’d take me up on it. What do you say?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Strange you’re including Republican in there. You believe Biden is winning right? So your money should be on Biden and any other winner would make you lose.

capital ,

I’m sitting here trying to convince you that FPTP results in a two party system. I’m betting on the two parties.

YOU are the one imagining that can change by simply voting 3rd party.

So, you down for a bet or what?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

If Biden isn’t winning what’s the point of voting for him?

capital ,

He is one of two possibilities.

And you’re not going to bet because you know it too.

And now we know you’re not ignorant to this fact. You’re encouraging 3rs party votes knowing very well they will not win.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

No Biden is zero of one possibility.

There’s no way he’s going to beat Trump.

capital ,

I’m glad we finally got to you admitting 3rd parties won’t win.

Thanks.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

I’m glad we finally got you admitting that Biden wont win.

capital ,

Linkerbaan logic:

3rd parties who are lucky to get 5% of the vote can win.

Biden, who won against Trump last time cannot win.

Lol

VictoriaAScharleau ,

FPTP voting systems result in a 2 party system and simply voting for another party does not solve the issue.

this isn’t an immutable natural law.

VictoriaAScharleau ,

you’re either aware of the problem and want to encourage people to vote third party while pretending not to know how the system works or you’re actually just ignorant to the issu

false dichotomy

crusa187 ,

It is kind of amazing how even those disenfranchised voters will rally to support the hegemony of the “two party” corporatist rule. I suggested recently we could consider rallying behind a single issue 3rd party candidate who would end the legalized bribes and replace FPTP with a more democratic alternative, and was immediately downvoted and told it’s not possible due to FPTP.

facepalm

glitchdx ,

In order for a 3rd option to be viable, the entire system must change. I’m not holding my breath.

Between now and then, all we can do is vote for the less bad of two evils.

helpImTrappedOnline , (edited )

It is theoreticaly possible, but praticaly speaking it would be near impossible.

To acomplish this, you need to get 51% of the population (who actually vote) to all vote for one person. However, with FPTP, you get one choice on the ballot. Is the average voter going to risk their vote on a 3rd party, or vote for who they belive to be the “lesser evil” of the two that have a shot at winning?

Even if you do manage to get 51%, there’s the electoral collage. Never forget, our democracy has built in the ability to overwrite the presidential vote.

Your first hurdle is getting any one to name an independent candidate.

Edit: adjusted some wording to be better.

pastabatman ,

I agree with this. But also, this time is the closest to “end of the world” stakes we’ve had in recent memory. We have a literal criminal, rapist, and fraudster who already tried to overthrow the government once leading the polls.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

2016 called they want their gaslighting back. Trump isn’t the final form of Fascism. He’s getting close but he ain’t it.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

didn’t you vote in the primary? why not?

Americans got to choose between many candidates, and out of those, it’s down to 6, and of those 6, it’s only really likely 2, that’s true.

But it isn’t quite like you imply.

nobody158 ,

The shitty thing is by the time my states primary pretty much every else has dropped out. We need to run the primary like a real election not piecemeal.

StThicket ,

I didn’t vote in the primary, because I’m not American.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

yes, obviously. but the point stands: there wasn’t just two candidates, and you don’t know what you’re talking about.

StThicket ,

I understand what you are trying to say. Ultimately, there are only two to vote for. Ideally, there should be more than two parties, and more than two candidates. That’s how democracies work. What you have is a dysfunctional system that divides people in two groups, and there are no incentives to cooperate between parties. Proper voting is also suffering due to the two-party system.

youtu.be/yhO6jfHPFQU

In my country, the parties with the majority of votes and the ability to cooperate gets to form a government. We also try to make it easy to get people to vote, insted of your system of gerrymandering.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

there are 6 parties, but only two of the six are large ones at the moment.

StThicket ,

Yes I know, but the voting system favours the two largest. Thats why they are large. Small parties have 0% chance og getting representatives into the houses, so they are basically irrelevant.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

just as long as you know you’re wrong. 👍

StThicket ,

Yes, it’s important to defend the only thing you know, even how bad it might be. 😄

crusa187 ,

The RNC never intended to run a candidate other than Trump because he controls MAGA, which is what remains of their energized base. The primaries they held were “just in case” Merrick Garland actually did something useful and successfully prosecuted Trump for insurrection, which never came to pass.

The DNC did everything they could to prevent primary elections from occurring in various states, and bullied anyone who was floating a run into submission. This included the state dept making calls to state DNC committees to cancel primaries, or remove certain candidates from their ballots. According to them, it was an insult to Biden admin and their legacy to even suggest another candidate should run. And now look where that’s gotten us.

So no, we didn’t actually vote in primaries this year because the establishment refuses to relinquish the status quo.

kjtms , in Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

Wait, I’m seeing a lot of people being very against nuclear. From what I’ve gathered, I see no downsides compared to fossil fuels

MissyBee ,

It may be too late for nuclear. Too much upfront cost, too long to build. Reneweables are cheaper in the long run, and with storage technologies getting better the problem with base load electricity gets smaller.

It is safe, nuclear, but why bother now.

halvar , in USA presidential candidates

I’m from Europe (Hungary) and I watched the first 20 minutes of the debate (with the intent of finishing the whole thing in one go) before turning it off while basically being on the brink of crying. The US presidents basically have as much say in my life as my own government (if not more) and even though I can’t vote for them, if I had to I’d be lost. Because it’s not that one is old and the other is crazy it’s a freaking Venn diagram of crazy RFK jr., demented Biden and then of course crazy and demented Trump. Seeing the debate and how these people basically can’t put two sentences after each other without breaking up is terrifying. And one of them will be voted into the most important office on the planet.

I mean it’s shit over here. We can choose between a guy who already stole half of our country, someone whose messy divorce somehow made him the most important member of the opposition and this other guy who stole the other half of the country before the current dude did. (And that’s just the tip of the iceberg). But maaan are we a lot better off than the world’s greatest country where two unsupervised parties get to point at the people you can vote into this ridiculously powerful position. And then they pick these guys.

We’re all going to die and I can’t even vote for whoever gets us killed, which is ultimately for the better. This way I can die with a clear conscience.

eldavi ,

… which is ultimately for the better. This way I can die with a clear conscience.

i envy you and i wish i could say the same thing because i have to vote for biden or else we’ll regress backwards in addition to dying.

amelia , in Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

Is this a joke?

stoy ,

No, it is the truth

amelia ,

Yeah, nothing back there except tons of highly radioactive waste that nobody knows what to do with for the next million years, nothing back there but the risk of contaminating a whole region with radioactive shit like it happened in Chernobyl and Fukushima, nothing back there except for overly expensive energy that’s only cheap because governments subsidized the shit out of it because they thought it was the new big thing you need to have, and now they still do just because. Don’t get me worng, it’s probably still a tiny bit better than burning fossils. But it’s still bullshit.

stoy ,

Sigh, we know EXACTLY what to do with it.

Dig a deep hole into the bedrock, put the waste in dry casks, put the casks in the hole, backfill with clay.

This has been known for decades!

I live in a suburb north of Stockholm in Sweden, here in Scandinavia we have a very stable bedrock, I would absolutely welcome a disposal site for nuclear waste in my suburb, and I am talking about a site that would accept waste from all over the world (for a fee obviously).

It would be simple, create jobs, and allow us to keep using nuclear power to allow for quicker removal of fossil power plants.

As for Chernobyl, TMI and Fukashima, Chernobyl was a bad design which was run by people who lacked access to information about past nuclear accidents, leading to bad management, TMI had a fail deadly indicator system, where a broken light bulb caused incorrect information to be acted on, and Fukashima was built in a bad location.

I recommend you to watch this 2006 BBC Horizon documentary, it is called Nuclear Nightmares and talks about our fear of radiation, and weather or not it is warranted:

www.dailymotion.com/video/x7pqwo8

A large coal power plant needs at least 10000 tons of coal every day according to Wikipedia.

A nuclear plant needs about 25 tons per year.

That is a huge, massive difference in logistics, pollution and use of resources, that is not even getting into the coal ash that is produced by cosl plants, according to the EPA, nearly 130 million tons of coal ash was generated in the US by coal power plants. None was generated by nuclear power plants.

Please watch the documentary, it is a few years old, but the premise still holds.

ryathal ,

Also just for those still not convinced, that coal ash is radioactive as well, and contains other toxins, and has polluted far more land than nuclear.

stoy ,

Oh absolutely!

Another point is that there are places outside Chernobyl and Fukashima that have higher background radiation that either exclusion zone, and that is places where people live normally, I seem to recall that being mentioned in the documentary I linked.

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been told this meme is about as harmful as a chest x-ray. It’s not great but not terrible.

hungryphrog , in Debate this!
uis ,

Don’t know, but americans on lemmy will explain

DeanFogg ,

We dont know!

uis ,

They don’t know.

nephs , in Queen's Gambit

That image reminds me of the Botez gambit.

CaptainEffort , in USA presidential candidates

This really is the year of the douche and the turd sandwich

MadBob , in Queen's Gambit

I think I’ve met like four people in my life who wouldn’t get this joke.

Akasazh ,

That’s a pretty blessed life

ILikeBoobies ,

I think it’s fine to not know Western Chess, I wouldn’t get a Janggi joke in the wild

altima_neo , in USA presidential candidates
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I’m voting for Moleman

KreekyBonez ,

I was saying “boo-urns”

bruhduh , in Queen's Gambit
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Holy hell

tacofox , in Murderous Intent

I experienced phantom ankle sprains just looking at this picture. That last half-step physically hurt me.

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