I am all for mentioning his conviction in the 1st sentence, but the crowd saying it should go into the 2nd sentence make some good points.
Barely anyone gets to have “convicted felon” in their lead sentence. Firstly, it is poor style unless the person is only known because they did a crime, secondly, convicted felon can mean a lot of thing and should be specified. “Convicted of falsifying business records” is just so much more specific, and can later be added with “and election interference”.
In any case, while the discussion is ongoing it has been included in a 2nd sentence, and the editors supporting to move it to first sentence seem to be the majority. If only more of them would read the whole discussion, instead of just saying “Support due to being established fact”.
Yeah, it’s in the third sentence of Richard Nixon’s wiki page where it’s stated he’s the only President to resign from office. First sentence was political positions he held, second sentence about events while he was President, third sentence about him resigning.
So maybe the wikipedia page should follow that pattern and the first sentence be about positions he’s held. The second sentence should be about his record as president… so something about Trump being President at the start of the Covid Pandemic (that killed over a million Americans), passed legislation to cut taxes for the wealthy, assassinated an Iranian General, tried to weaken NATO, was impeached for withholding military aid from Ukraine for personal gain, and was impeached again for trying to overthrow the government after losing the election. Then in the third sentence it would say he was later convicted on falsifying documents while covering up a scandal so he could be elected.
KreekCraft accidentally played a Baldi’s Basics song that was highly inappropriate on stream.
“For those of us who have ages in the double digits” You have to be out of your mind to assume someone is underage just because of a stupid silly meme. For your information I am over 20 and harassing people online won’t get you anywhere. Besides Kreek is an adult man for God’s sake, why do you have to shit on people’s interests? It’s like saying adults aren’t allowed to play ROBLOX because it appeals to children more. KreekCraft literally plays Roblox and he is, like, 27 years old as of April this year.
How about you stop assuming people’s age(s) when they make silly memes like this? It will give you a better look…
Like, for the love of God, imagine if it was the other way around and I was the one saying YOU were underage for posting something like this. Wouldn’t really give me a good look, right? I’m guessing it would hurt your feelings since it is harassment. You definitely would not be happy with someone calling you underage online even though you are clearly an adult?
Then why the fuck are YOU doing that shit? You wouldn’t like it if you were the one in this position, so why are you doing this? It’s not a good look for you. You can’t just assume someone’s age! If you do it makes you look like an asshole.
I’m not saying it to be mean, I am saying it because that is how it is. Treat others with the same level of respect as you want and people would share the same amount of respect back. Just appreciate the meme and move on, or don’t, continue to act the way you are acting right now, and lose the respect of everyone around you.
You have to give respect to earn it. You didn’t, so that’s on you.
It’s highly likely that they haven’t seen your response. Assuming from myself I usually respond between 5 minutes and 2 days. Give it a day, if they don’t respond after that, then that could be treated as ghosting.
I know they havent said what the punishments would be for non-compliance (Fines? Witholding of public services?), but without jail time attached to it, that just tells me the rich folks are gonna pay their way out (as usual), and those without the means are stuck getting totally-not-drafted.
I barely knew Donald Trump prior to his election campaign, pre-2020. Not as a business man nor media personality. I would probably recognize the name, but I wouldn’t be familiar with anything he had done up until he ran for president the first time.
The only notable thing about him, for me, is that he was president (easily one of the worst), and he is a convicted felon. So, I think it’s pretty stupid to argue whether “convicted felon” should be in his opening lede line for Wikipedia. To me, that answer is obvious. Yes, of course it should be.
Yeah, I can’t be arsed to remember anything pre-COVID with that much detail. Unless it was something I was directly experiencing.
I’m not even a US citizen, nor do I live in the country, so I only have a passing interest in American politics. I know enough to know that I don’t really want to visit the USA, especially right now.
I’m happy staying North of the border, in Canada. However, US politics tend to bleed over to Canada, so I keep an eye on it when I can. What’s good for the US, is normally good for Canada, and the same for what’s bad. I’m just happy we haven’t gone to privatized healthcare, and in fact we’re enhancing the existing healthcare system and extending what’s covered. It’s probably one of the most important political items for me. I don’t need it, but I probably will eventually, and some of my family can directly benefit from the changes.
Wikipedia is fascinating with regards to how it handles these conflicts. I’m interested to see where it finally lands.
So, I think it’s pretty stupid to argue whether “convicted felon” should be in his opening lede line for Wikipedia.
True though that may be, I don’t think it’s surprising that this would happen, and since making the post I have been falling down a rabbit hole of finding out how Wikipedia is handling situations like this, partly through taking more than a glancing look at the talk pages for the first time ever, and it’s fascinating.
Currently my deepest point of descent is this sub-thread on the Admin board about the “consensus” boxes on top of talk pages being an undocumented and unapproved feature.
Ah, yes, Drawn Together. The perfect show for people in the early oughts who thought South Park was both too clever and not nearly crude or mean-spirited enough. I’ve seen every episode at least twice.
They could make offensive jokes without being offensive
Like the guys playing spin the bottle and going full tongue then Woldoor says yippie when it’s his turn “If you’re going to be gay about this then you can leave”
Or “white girl is racist” but it comes from being sheltered not because she’s white
look im as stoked as anyone else but that information should really be in a section explaining it in detail further down the page, for Tyson, for Simpson, and even for Trump. Say who he is and what he did that’s notable, not what the government did about it. it should say “fraudster” if anything, because that’s who he is. i don’t think labeling people vaguely as “felons” helps anything, and mostly serves to dehumanize people who have caught charges whether it was justified or not. that’s just my two cents.
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