Was It on different planets before earth? If so, then It. Otherwise Joker. I wouldn’t count a life being shortened by unhealthy foods as killing. It’s like an assist lol.
Millions of people died in China during the Great Leap, with estimates ranging from 15 to 55 million, making the Great Chinese Famine the largest or second-largest famine in human history
Millions of people died in China during the Great Leap, with estimates ranging from 15 to 55 million, making the Great Chinese Famine the largest or second-largest famine in human history
All those sources you posted don’t refute what you quoted from the other comment. Seems like a “not as bad as” logical fallacy at play. The other poster didn’t say the US was without fault; even though the US has killed many people doesn’t make the actions of those other regimes any less bad.
The sources I posted are meant to provide context. And what they show is that when you consider what things were like before, communism actually improved lives in a tangible way. While bad things certainly have happened in communist societies, as they do in every human society, overall trajectory is positive. Meanwhile, the atrocities committed in the name of capitalism, and by US in particular, eclipse anything that has happened under communism. US is a blight upon humanity and has brutally repressed progress in every corner of the world.
It’s not about communism or capitalism, it’s about historical mass death events. It’s just a coincidence some of the largest mass deaths happened under communism. For example, I’m sure the lives of Ukrainians were greatly improved sometime after the mass starvations during the holodomor.
I don’t even disagree with what you’re saying about the US but using this to imply that communist regimes of China and Russia were good actually is insane to me. Not as bad as fallacy in full effect.
It’s literally about the question of what types of outcomes each system produces in the long run. And yes, the lives of Ukrainians were massively improved after the revolution.
USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:
USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960’s, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:
Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:
Meanwhile, let’s look at the whole holodomor narrative of yours from a perspective of an actual historian who studied it. During the 1932 famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:
While the leadership did not stop exports, they did try to alleviate the famine. A 25 February 1933 Central Committee decree allotted seed loans of 320,000 tons to Ukraine and 240,000 tons to the northern Caucasus. Seed loans were also made to the Lower Volga and may have been made to other regions as well. Kul’chyts’kyy cites Ukrainian party archives showing that total aid to Ukraine by April 1933 actually exceeded 560,000 tons, including more than 80,000 tons of food
Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.
Aid to Ukraine alone was 60 percent greater than the amount exported during the same period. Total aid to famine regions was more than double exports for the first half of 1933.
According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest
It appears to have been another consequence of the low 1932 harvest that more aid was not provided: After the low 1931, 1934, and 1936 harvests procured grain was transferred back to peasants at the expense of exports.
Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, its interesting to see that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.
The reality is that famines were common in Tsarist times, and they were a major drive for the revolution in the first place. After the revolution, lives improved dramatically and famines stopped.
Fuck all humans for breeding to the point where meat farming is necessary. Eating animals isn’t the problem, it’s the SCALE at which we do it. Put blame where it’s due
You all motherfuckers know deep in your hearts that humanity can’t survive this shit without a couple billion dying off. It’d be better if those couple billion were never born.
There’s no sustainable living without sustainable reproduction. But that’s even more taboo than everyone going vegan/vegetarian.
Name 5 scholarly works you’ve read on fascism, or 3 on ecofascism specifically.
In other words: I have a lot of knowledge about this shit. The overpopulation myth is tied to fascism at the hip. You’ve integrated fascist propaganda into your worldview if you think overpopulation is the issue.
You can just Google “overpopulation ecofascism” and the first few results in normal and scholar mode are pretty good (the former for well cited intros, the latter for more in depth stuff on the topic)
Damn, Thanos! We are overpopulated, I agree. But human numbers have always (and I do mean always, as long as we’ve been able to track it) adjusted to the sustainability of their environment given all but the most dire of economic factors that might affect that. Right now, we’re seeing a rapid decline in children being born throughout the world. Just because it doesn’t happen on a particular time table doesn’t mean it’s not correcting itself.
Factory farming is extremely cost-efficient, so I don’t think the free market would give you anything else regardless of how many people there are. Laws and environment tax would.
Lab grown meat is more efficient, but some place are already outlawing it before it’seven available commercially… So I’m not too sure about the direction we’re going.
It will be more efficient eventually, just not yet. The technology isn’t mature yet. But as you’ve noted, those “pro-free market” Floridians and Alabamans want to ban it, because global elites and eating bugs or something.
I was listening to this podcast that had an ad for a government system to help out people experiencing substance use (specifically alcohol) issues…directly followed by a government liquor store ad. In every single episode.
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