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maxxxxpower ,

Just made the switch to Linux Mint today. It has been fairly easy and painless thus far.

I’m doing my part!

ChewTiger ,

My positive experience with my Steam Deck got me to take the plunge and now I’m happily gaming on Mint.

onlinepersona ,

I’m genuinely concerned about github.com/Whisky-App/Whisky (wine for mac). If they make games run well on mac, there’ll be less of a chance for mac users to want to switch to linux in order to game.

And when windows users get burned by windows 12, they’ll most likely switch to a Mac if gaming works on it.

Wilzax ,

Given just how good apple’s SOCs have gotten, more power to them if that’s what they want. If they’re willing to switch to apple they were never seriously interested in linux.in the first place

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I don’t think Mac uses will switch to Linux for playing games, they’d either use Windows or play whatever is available on macOS.

But yeah, if gaming on macOS ever gets close to gaming in Windows, I can see some Windows users moving to macOS. But honestly, I also see that as a good thing for Linux gaming since the lower Windows market share is, the more game devs need to cater to the smaller platforms. Also, Apple hardware is expensive enough and hardware limited enough that I don’t see macOS ever really catering to high end gaming, so people who don’t want Windows but do want a higher end gaming experience would flock to Linux. That said, I don’t know how their SOCs compare to discrete GPUs, so I’m not sure where exactly that l line.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Steam Deck is the ideal companion device to a Mac.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Agreed. It’s also ideal as a companion to pretty much anything, it’s a fantastic device.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

I meant Mac users specifically. Regular Windows users would probably be less annoyed by Windows on a ROG Ally but SteamOS is the closest thing to an Apple experience for PC games.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Perhaps. I haven’t used the ROG Ally or any of the Windows-based PC handhelds, so I can only speak for how much I enjoy my Steam Deck.

That said, the “Apple experience” would be a Switch. It just works, looks sleek, and it costs way more than it should given the hardware specs. Yeah, it’s not a PC handheld, but that’s where I’d expect most Apple users to go for games.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Obviously I’ve meant for PC games. True video game consoles are on yet another level.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

The GPU portion of the M chips is still crap by comparison to what AMD offers. The CPU part they genuinely deserve credit for but that’s it.

onlinepersona ,

Who knows, maybe they’ll all of a sudden decide to invest in that if Maccies find out they can play games, but are unsatisfied with the performance. Anything can happen.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

From what I’ve heard the GPU in the newest, most expensive iPhones is okay and a good step up but the chip in Macs is basically the same as in iPhones, just more cores, more memory, and not power constrained because of cooling. I think it’s pretty clear that Apple develops these for iPhone first and Macs are just an afterthought.

onlinepersona ,

If that’s the case, then there is no danger - for now. But if Apple’s CEO wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and says “I want to tear up the gaming industry”, he totally could.

feminalpanda ,
@feminalpanda@lemmings.world avatar

I’m doing my part. Had a 2nd desktop worth of parts and put latest Ubuntu on it, trying out games that I have already installed on Windows. Once my game pass sub expires next year I’ll probably fully switch over.

I_Has_A_Hat ,

Isn’t that because of Steam Decks?

Nibodhika ,

Steam decks have been out for years now, and even though they sold millions of copies they’re not the majority of Linux machines, you can check the GPU AMD Custom GPU 0405 on the GPU field since that’s the steam deck one, it’s at 0.82% and had a 0.23% increase this month. So some of the increase in Linux came from it (around half), but there’s still a lot of new Linux PC users.

Also it’s worth mentioning that every time that the Linux share has gone down it coincides with a spike in Chinese language usage.

bgtlover ,

@Nibodhika @I_Has_A_Hat umm, what does the chinese language have to do with any of this, I wonder?

Nibodhika ,

Because percentages don’t tell you the whole picture, imagine you have a group of 100 people, with 2 of them being of a certain group, e.g. Linux users, also 20 of them are of a different group, e.g. Chinese speaking. In percentages that means 2% for one and 20% for the other group. If next month the 20% group increases to 33.3% and the other drops to 1.6% there are a couple of alternatives, but the simplest explanation is that 20 new people from the second group were added to the total, meaning that while the percentage decreased for the first group the total amount of people in it did not.

So, when you only have a percentage it’s hard to know if the total number of people increased, decreased, or remained the same because you don’t know if the total is the same. Since people don’t just decide to switch to Chinese it’s expected than when the amount of a language changes significantly that most likely means the total amount of people changed, and you can guess by how much, doing that calculation you can see that every time the Linux users decreased its likely the total number of users increased and the number of Linux users remained the same or even grew, just not by the same margin as the total amount of users did.

bam13302 ,

I was digging around on the steam hardware survey and it does list steam deck separately if you tell the hardware survey to only show you Linux, and it is ~5.5x more popular that arch, and also reports that arch and Ubuntu are similar, leading me to believe the steam deck is fully excluded from the default combined view.

If you take that x5.5 and use it to extrapolate, steam decks should have about 0.82% market share

Nibodhika ,

If you take that x5.5 and use it to extrapolate, steam decks should have about 0.82% market share

Which is exactly the same the GPU numbers show.

CucumberFetish ,

Looking to reinstall Linux on my dual-boot. For legacy robotics reasons, I still have ubuntu 18.04 on it.

Which distro would be the best for gaming + CUDA software dev?

Linus_Torvalds ,

Honestly: Any Ubuntu Fork (such as Mint, Kubuntu, etc) is fine, Arch as well(but harder). Vanilla Ubuntu is ok.

This is not the definitive answer, and you should reevaluate after a time, what you like and don’t like, but for a starter, give those a spin.

voodooattack ,

I’m using Fedora and it’s been great, a bit iffy with nVIDIA out of the box though.

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has the most up to date nVIDIA stack. Mainly because the packages are controlled by nVIDIA directly.

CucumberFetish ,

I’ll check out Tumbleweed. Any downsides to it compared to Ubuntu forks?

It has been a while, but nVidia drivers have always been a pain to install, especially when you also need an older version of CUDA. If tumbleweed has a better compatibility/easier installation process, it is a big win.

voodooattack ,

Tumbleweed is rolling release (kinda like arch), although they have a pretty rigorous testing process. So that could be a pro or a con depending on who you’re asking.

If what you’re specifically after is older CUDA toolkit compatibility, then I’d recommend using distrobox instead. That’s what I do for ML workloads. (If you plan on redistributing binaries then you’ll have to strip them with binutils though)

bighatchester ,

I recommend Ubuntu 22 don’t recommend pop despite all the articles you will find saying it is great for gaming

sugar_in_your_tea ,

That take depends on what you need from Ubuntu 18.04. I’m not to familiar with how robotics stuff works, but perhaps a docker image would work? That way you can keep whatever libraries you need, and run it on whatever base OS you need. That said, I don’t know how much of CUDA or whatever is in the driver vs the userland library, so I’m not sure if it would work.

As for distro, it doesn’t matter as long as it’s relatively decent. I recommend Linux Mint Debian edition, but I personally use OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.

I saw a question below about Tumbleweed, and you may want to look into OBS, which is OpenSUSE’s way of building whatever libraries you need in a repo. So you’d basically find or build a recipe for your version of CUDA and install that alongside whatever else is in the system (assuming the Docker option doesn’t work). If you’re using a relatively popular stack, chances are someone has already gotten it working.

kariboka ,

Check out Garuda

whats_all_this_then ,

2024 is gonna be the year of the Linux desktop, I can feel it!

sugar_in_your_tea ,

psst

Every year is the year of the Linux desktop. Linux rocks.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Wayland on its way to wreck everything because of compatibility and funni Nvidia drivers

Defaced ,

I’ve been running Wayland for a while on my amd rig and haven’t had any problems with xwayland in regards to compatibility. Nvidia on the other hand is problematic but the drivers seem to be improving with every release.

foobaz ,

I’m doing my part!

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

We’re 0.02% ahead btw

UprisingVoltage ,

I’m jumping on the mint ship during the holidays. See you never windows!

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Every penguin is an ally!

Oha ,

One of us

ShitOnABrick , (edited )
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

Enjoy I use mint 21.1 Victoria 21.1 xfce on my gaming laptop myself

Little tip make a second drive with a backup so that if it ever gets a bit to complicated you’ll have something to come back to also you could duel boot as well if you need windows for work or smth although tbh I hardly have any issues with mint it normally works outside the box . Mints an all-round decent distro in my expirence

I also recommend you install neofetch onto your system when you do install Linux you can customise neofetch to look however you want you can also rice neofetch as well

sudo apt install neofetch

github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch

UprisingVoltage ,

Thanks for the tips! I’ve actually been using mint on my work pc for two years now and I love it, no problems whatsoever.

Now it’s time to jump ship on my gaming pc as well. So excited about it!

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