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ManeraKai ,
@ManeraKai@programming.dev avatar

Kubuntu (Ubuntu but KDE), both great KDE UI and stable kernel. I use Kubuntu LTS.

lengsel ,

Devuan testing branch.

xbreak ,

NixOS would fit the bill if you’re not afraid of something different. With Nix it’s trivial to cherry pick from unstable channel if you still want a stable base.

lloram239 ,

It gets close, but NixOS doesn’t have LTS releases yet, so you’ll still be updating at least every six months. Combining the Nix package manager with a Debian stable or Ubuntu LTS might be an option, that gives you a stable base and a few up to date packages on top. However integrating the Nix packages with Debian can get tricky when it comes to core packages such as window manager or DE.

Lanthanae ,
@Lanthanae@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Is this not solved by using the “unstable” nixpkgs channel or is that something different?

I’m a NixOS newbie and still learning a lot about it haha

lloram239 ,

The NixOS unstable channel allows you to get the new packages, but what OP wants is also a stable system and NixOS doesn’t really offer. NixOS has new releases every six months and only provides security updates for one month after a new release is out. So you’ll be updating pretty frequently and things do break in those updates pretty frequently.

Ubuntu LTS in contrast promises security updates for up to 10 years and they have LTS releases every 2 years. So you can basically install it once and forget about it. The downside is that Ubuntu has no way to install new software on the old system by itself, which is why a mix of Ubuntu LTS and Nix might be worth a consideration in some situations, that gives you both a stable base and bleeding edge software.

2xsaiko ,
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The stable branches promise no breaking changes (in configuration options etc.). Unstable is a rolling release with everything that entails (personally I use it on desktops and stable on servers).

jlh ,

tbf neither does Fedora.

But yeah, I would recommend either Debian or NixOS, depending on how stable you want it.

space_of_eights ,

What is your definition of stability? I have used Arch for about ten years without any major breakage, but sometimes you do have to do some manual tinkering if a package stops working. So it’s stable enough for me, but maybe not for others. Since it is a rolling release, packages are generally being updated quite rapidly.

I think that any modern rolling release distro would fit the bill though.

ablackcatstail ,
@ablackcatstail@lemmy.goblackcat.com avatar

This here! I actually have had really good luck using Arch. I’ve been running it for only a month now and I make certain to patch/update once a week. Thus far it has not left me stranded. I think Arch is underrated as an OS.

aksdb ,

I think Arch is underrated as an OS.

I don’t think Arch is anywhere near “underrated”. The “I use Arch, btw” meme didn’t come out of nowhere. A lot of distros are based on Arch too. Even SteamOS (so the Steam Deck is essentially powered by Arch).

In that regard: yes, Arch is awesome. I use it, btw.

ablackcatstail ,
@ablackcatstail@lemmy.goblackcat.com avatar

Arch powers pretty much everything except my server which is Proxmox. Yep, Arch is awesome!

what ,

You will only notice the downside of a rolling release distribution when using it for years. Large breaking changes might unexpectedly be applied to your system, instead of at fixed points in time like with other distributions.

Engywuck ,

+1 for Arch

ozymandias117 ,

Depending on your definitions of up to date and stable:

Any of the releases every 6 months distros are more stable and reasonably up to date - something like Fedora even keeps the kernel updated during those months

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is rolling release with something called “openQA” that is run on the distro before releasing the snapshot to help stability. It also uses BTRFS with something called “snapper” by default, so if something breaks, you can pick the previous version from the bootloader

MyNameIsRichard ,
@MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml avatar

openSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s not stable as in unchanging but it is stable as in reliable.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

This or Fedora which per release cycle aims for binary compatibility but happily updates packages if compatibility stays fine.

blackstripes ,

Having tried many over the years, there is truly nothing as good as Tumbleweed.

ash ,
@ash@zirk.us avatar

@blackstripes @MyNameIsRichard this one is also great out of the context! (sorry!)

dnzm ,
@dnzm@lemmy.ml avatar

+1 for Tumbleweed, it works so incredibly well. In the very rare case where an update doesn’t work out for you, you can easily roll back to a previous btrfs snapshot.

Fedora is quite nice, too, but I’ve come to prefer rolling distros over a release based one.

Kalpa / Aeon might be interesting, too, if your use case fits an immutable distro.

JRepin ,
@JRepin@lemmy.ml avatar

+1 openSUSE Tumbleweed is my favourite here too.

suspectum ,

After many years on Ubuntu I switched to a Tumbleweed and couldn’t be happier. Apparently a rolling distro can be more reliable than a traditional point-release one.

Sleep4288 ,

manjaro KDE

CrescentMadeJr ,

They did mention stable, which is not something Manjaro can claim in my experience. They tend to hold back packages in the name of stability but it causes problems when using the AUR sometimes.

IDe ,

“Manjaro is not stable because it ensures no breaking updates are pushed to users” is such a weird statement to make.

CjkOvPDwQW ,

Pretty sure all they do is.simple syncing their repos with arch Linux in a interval of 2 weeks

CrescentMadeJr ,

That would be a weird statement to make. But that’s not really what I said. At all.

JaxiiRuff ,
@JaxiiRuff@pawb.social avatar

I use to be like you. I used Arch for a long time then tried everything else that was similar like tumbleweed etc. Then I used Fedora and forgot about distrohopping entirely. I still use Arch on my pi4 though because it works nicely for use cases like that.

However I will warn you anything can and will be unstable eventually. Its the nature of software, bugs will happen. For instance a package called ostree was pretty much broken on all distros even Fedora which is crazy.

kittyrunningnoise ,

Funtoo is a bit of both. It’s not as current as Gentoo but the tradeoff is not having to rebuild the toolchain every few weeks.

BCsven ,

Tumbleweed. And if a weekly does break something, jusr rollback.

supervent ,

In my servers I use debian 12, but I think a good balance (stability & up to date packages) would be linux mint in my opinion.

octalfudge ,

I feel like something like Fedora fits the bill: great, reliable, well-maintained repositories, decently updated kernels, yet never faced any major issues, and access to quite updated packages. Only issue is Red Hat caused a stir recently, though I still believe Red Hat does more good than bad in the open source community.

rodneyck ,
@rodneyck@lemmy.world avatar

Red Hat is a corporation, putting dollars first. Not to mention Fedora is now starting to 'trample on user’s privacy with telemetry integration.’

Some are making the case that Fedora’s new telemetry integration isn’t like the bad telemetry like Google and others, it is ‘anonymised.’ Every corporation says this before they remove the username from the data collected and keep the unique user id. I don’t trust Red Hat…and now with this latest reveal, Fedora either. And privacy is all about trust.

KingKRool ,

I’m making that case. I trust Fedora and Red Hat to handle telemetry correctly, but I can verify it by looking at the source and I’ll give them constructive feedback if I have concerns. May I ask which distro you are planning to use where the source is NOT contributed primarily by engineers working for a corporation that puts dollars first?

cabrio ,

Slackware.

QuazarOmega ,

I disagree that as the as the article states telemetry “contradicts open-source values”, nowhere is it said in the official definition that telemetry by itself is not ok and as long as it is opt-in and the handler makes clear reports on the data they gathered, I’d say it’s a good opportunity to give valuable insight to the developers on the use of their software, done in this manner it doesn’t trample over anyone’s choices either.
Notable examples of open source projects that implement telemetry are KDE and Mozilla, it’s not unheard of at all

DigDoug ,

While I admit that the timing with Red Hat’s closed-sourcing is really bad, and I’m also going to start avoiding Fedora for the same reason, saying that opt-in telemetry (that one can literally read the source code of) is “putting dollars first” is really dumb. Do you think the same about Debian’s popularity-contest, which has existed since 2004?

NoRecognition84 ,

Some are making the case that Fedora’s new telemetry integration isn’t like the bad telemetry like Google and others, it is ‘anonymised.’ Every corporation says this before they remove the username from the data collected and keep the unique user id. I don’t trust Red Hat…and now with this latest reveal, Fedora either. And privacy is all about trust.

Please stop with the FUD about the Fedora telemetry. It is opt-in and is no different than popularity-contest on Debian.

jcbritobr ,
@jcbritobr@mastodon.social avatar

@NoRecognition84 @rodneyck its bad anyway. Why a opensource project will do something like that? Telemetry causes bad performance in production. If its opt in, no one will activate, and soon the business will force its use.

NoRecognition84 ,

You are basing those assumptions on what? Popularity-contest on Debian does not cause any issues.

jcbritobr ,
@jcbritobr@mastodon.social avatar

@rodneyck @octalfudge
that's very bad news. is a nice distribution, but telemetry leads the machine to bad perform.

0x4E4F , (edited )

Void Linux. A great compromise between being up to date and being stable AF. They’re not bleeding edge, but cutting edge, most definitely. For example, they only recently transfered to kernel 6.3, while Arch had it months ago… with instability issues I might add. Void maintainers would rather let these wrinckles get ironed out than implement the latest and greatest.

It is a rolling release distro, so nothing new there. Packages get regular updates, same as any other rolling release distro, except for the kernel packages which are carefully examined before being submitted in the repo. The number of precompiled packages is not huge, but the src templates are (you just have to compile them from source with xbps-src, which is a piece of cake when you already have the template file).

The good thing is that all package templates get checked for buildability (test) on GH. If the template passes all tests, it makes it in the repo, if not, it doesn’t, simple as that.

If you think you would be comfortable with Arch, you’d be comfortable with Void as well 😉.

CjkOvPDwQW ,

Besides those builders that run the checks made by the developers of the apps (is simple running a make check or whatever the build system the package uses, void Linux does have some problems mostly because of the small team.

One of the biggest one is basically being stuck in 1.X series of musl forever until someone steps up and creates a solution that doesn’t require to rebuild all packages because of an ABI breaking change in armv6l systems at 2.X musl series .

CrescentMadeJr ,

I find EndeavorOS (Arch) to be very reliable. I use it with KDE. Gnome can be good too for a minimalistic style that doesn’t change much.

Gubb ,
@Gubb@lemmy.world avatar

+1 for EndeavourOS, have been using for about a year now and it’s been nothing short of great.

dartanjinn ,

Does endeavour use pacman? I’ve got Garuda running on my son’s PC and I’m not a big fan of their update script.

Gubb ,
@Gubb@lemmy.world avatar

Yes it does, you can also leverage the AUR with yay.

What don’t you like about pacman?

dartanjinn ,

No, I have no issue with pacman, it’s the “garuda-update” script I don’t care for. I see endeavour has eos-update which I haven’t really looked at much but in Garuda if use “pacman -Syu” it will interrupt with “Garuda uses garuda-update for updates” - I know it’s trivial and I don’t have to use it but I don’t like that. Don’t interrupt my workflow to try and coerce me to use your script. Yes, it’s a petty gripe but it feels very microsoft-like in the same way that Windows 11 will delay the launch of Firefox to tell you “Edge was built for Windows.”

Gubb ,
@Gubb@lemmy.world avatar

I see, no EndeavourOS does not do that, you can update your system a few different ways, you can use pacman-Syu or you can use yay.

Yay will pull from EndeavourOS mirrors and the AUR

mrh , (edited )
@mrh@mander.xyz avatar

Guix is a source based (rolling release) distro. Any package operation you do like like installing, updating, or removing, can be rolled back. So if an update ever breaks anything you can just roll-back and wait for the fix. You can even pin that specific package and continue to upgrade the rest of your system. And every state is saved in a generation, so you can go to any state your system has ever been in package/configuration wise.

Nix has all of these advantages as well.

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