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CrescentMadeJr ,

I find EndeavorOS (Arch) to be very reliable. I use it with KDE. Gnome can be good too for a minimalistic style that doesn’t change much.

Gubb ,
@Gubb@lemmy.world avatar

+1 for EndeavourOS, have been using for about a year now and it’s been nothing short of great.

dartanjinn ,

Does endeavour use pacman? I’ve got Garuda running on my son’s PC and I’m not a big fan of their update script.

Gubb ,
@Gubb@lemmy.world avatar

Yes it does, you can also leverage the AUR with yay.

What don’t you like about pacman?

dartanjinn ,

No, I have no issue with pacman, it’s the “garuda-update” script I don’t care for. I see endeavour has eos-update which I haven’t really looked at much but in Garuda if use “pacman -Syu” it will interrupt with “Garuda uses garuda-update for updates” - I know it’s trivial and I don’t have to use it but I don’t like that. Don’t interrupt my workflow to try and coerce me to use your script. Yes, it’s a petty gripe but it feels very microsoft-like in the same way that Windows 11 will delay the launch of Firefox to tell you “Edge was built for Windows.”

Gubb ,
@Gubb@lemmy.world avatar

I see, no EndeavourOS does not do that, you can update your system a few different ways, you can use pacman-Syu or you can use yay.

Yay will pull from EndeavourOS mirrors and the AUR

Joseph_Boom OP ,

Thanks to everyone who commented. After all the suggestions I’m still a bit uncertain on which distro I will use, but now I have basically 2 distro in my mind: Debian and OpenSuse. I will do my researches. Thanks again to everyone, this community really rocks.

Raphael ,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

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Debian, then.

rodbiren ,

Could always install endeavouros and or arch if you prefer more work with btrfs and snapshots. Arch is mostly stable despite the laughter erupting from this post. Even if it does fall down you have the snapshots to fallback to in order to bail you out. Arch is like riding and steering a rocket but having btrfs is like having extra lives so crashing doesn’t really kill you forever. Depends on what you want.

The good news is if you try arch long enough and spend hours tinkering with cutting edge software you too can come to the point where you are exhausted and just want a machine that does what the hell you want without screwing around with it. Or you can change your avatar to some sort of anime character and bask in the superiority of not only using arch but enjoying it like some sort of digital masochist.

Sailor_jets ,
@Sailor_jets@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unironically Gentoo stable.

fbartels , (edited )
@fbartels@lemmy.one avatar

In the end you could use any distro which desktop you like (which could be Debian stable, or something immutable) and then get your applications from the latest and greatest with Distrobox

Joseph_Boom OP ,

Thanks, it seems a really insteresting project

Nebulizer ,

Distrobox looks really interesting. Do you know the memory or CPU overhead for using it? I have older hardware. Will distrobox perform well on it? Thanks.

fbartels ,
@fbartels@lemmy.one avatar

No, cpu wise there should not really be an overhead, as it just uses docker or podman to run the application in question. the only bottleneck i see could be host filesystems that are not supported by docker/podman and therefore could lead to slow file access in the container.

hymenopterror ,
@hymenopterror@lemmy.world avatar

I have been using Gentoo exclusively on my desktop and ThinkPad for 7 months now and I reeeaaally like it. It’s a rolling release distro but you’re able to set your system to only use versions of packages marked as stable by default, then using a simple config file you can select which packages you want the newest, bleeding edge versions for. This allows you to have a customizable blend of stability and newness. With Gentoo, the package manager does have to compile your packages from source, but a lot of big packages (like Firefox or the kernel) have binary options as well, and with modern hardware most packages don’t take very long to compile.

Zucca ,

Note that mixing stable and unstable (~) isn’t offically supported on encouraged. You sure will get still help on the forums still. Many people mix stable and unstable, me included. When I need to unmask a unstable package I’ll limit the unmasking by providing some version limit. For example: <category/package-1.3.9999. This way next major version bump won’t be automatically installed via @world update. It’s not bullet-proof, but better than blindly unmasking every unstable version of a package.

the16bitgamer ,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

From my personal experience you would want either Fedora or Arch Linux that’s not Manjaro (not b/c Manjaro unstable, but because it can become it if you use aur with their delayed package release).

I found Fedora to be my cup of tea for gaming though it is about 2 months behind arch in terms of packages.

Whereas Arch is relies more on the terminal to download, and update packages. EndeavorOS is a good distro to try for this, but it wasn’t my cup of tea especially on my laptop.

abrasiveteapot ,

Fwiw I use BAUH on Arch as a graphical package updater which normally works well. Paru is easy to use on the cli

the16bitgamer ,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

Out side of a few AUR packages which worked with PACMAN on the same laptop, BAUH was a good (but not as polished) package manager. TBH my main issue with Arch (outside of the laptop issue I already stated), was how terminal heavy the OS is.

I want an OS that’s easy enough to use that I can give it to my Grandparents, and not worry if they want to install new card games. I found that most problems in Arch (and debain now I think of it) are usually resolved by the terminal, and rarely is a GUI made to resolve these issues. While I had Manjaro, too many times did the package database file lock itself and never unlocked itself, so I had to fix it with the terminal. BAUH also doesn’t uninstall orphaned packages and doesn’t show me which packages are orphaned if I uninstalled something.

Thus far with Fedora I like that most of the Applications and Flatpaks are installed with KDE Discover/Gnome Software, while OS related packages like Vulkan Drivers, and Java SDK’s are behind DNF Dragon. The only time I had to use a terminal was when I was adding third party copr repos like for VSCodium, or CDEmu. I feel this could probably be done with DNF Dragon, it’s a one and done process.

Auli ,

With the way Redhat is acting lately I’d personally stay away from Fedora.

MyNameIsRichard ,
@MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml avatar

openSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s not stable as in unchanging but it is stable as in reliable.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

This or Fedora which per release cycle aims for binary compatibility but happily updates packages if compatibility stays fine.

blackstripes ,

Having tried many over the years, there is truly nothing as good as Tumbleweed.

ash ,
@ash@zirk.us avatar

@blackstripes @MyNameIsRichard this one is also great out of the context! (sorry!)

dnzm ,
@dnzm@lemmy.ml avatar

+1 for Tumbleweed, it works so incredibly well. In the very rare case where an update doesn’t work out for you, you can easily roll back to a previous btrfs snapshot.

Fedora is quite nice, too, but I’ve come to prefer rolling distros over a release based one.

Kalpa / Aeon might be interesting, too, if your use case fits an immutable distro.

JRepin ,
@JRepin@lemmy.ml avatar

+1 openSUSE Tumbleweed is my favourite here too.

suspectum ,

After many years on Ubuntu I switched to a Tumbleweed and couldn’t be happier. Apparently a rolling distro can be more reliable than a traditional point-release one.

ProgrammerHero ,

Manjaro OS is stable and gives upto date packages seems this should meet your requirements.

IncidentalIncidence ,

I use manjaro, but it isn’t what I would call stable.

Zangoose ,

Manjaro’s delayed package system can actually make things less stable if you use AUR. I’d recommend EndeavourOS for that experience, it’s very similar to Manjaro but in my experience hasn’t broken as much

Raphael ,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

The holy grail, stable and up-to-date, it exists, it’s called Debian with Flatpaks.

Install Debian. Avoid doing any changes to your package selection, try to get things from flatpaks.

RegalPotoo ,
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

This is my preferred way off doing things, but trying to glue VSCode + Android Studio + the Flutter SDK + Docker + … together via Flatpack was an exercise in pain and sadness last time I tried it.

Getting all my normal boring desktop apps via Flatpack is awesome, but for a developer it just doesn’t seem practical right now

priapus ,

If you’re a developer and want a stable distro you’ll need a way to have up to date dev environments. I would use Nix or containers.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot ,

I second this!

guyman ,

Problem with debian is it’s stable in the sense of unchanging, not necessarily a lack of bugs.

He’s saying he wants up to date packages and stability, which seems to mean he was current software without bugs. That’s not debian stable.

Raphael ,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll bite, what is this mythical bugless system thee speak of?

guyman ,

None, but bugs stick around way longer in debian stable because of how old the software is.

Did you… really think I was talking about a bugless distro?

Raphael ,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

No, but I do see you mentioning problems without showing any solutions.

shapis ,
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    Raphael ,
    @Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

    OK.

    space_of_eights ,

    What is your definition of stability? I have used Arch for about ten years without any major breakage, but sometimes you do have to do some manual tinkering if a package stops working. So it’s stable enough for me, but maybe not for others. Since it is a rolling release, packages are generally being updated quite rapidly.

    I think that any modern rolling release distro would fit the bill though.

    ablackcatstail ,
    @ablackcatstail@lemmy.goblackcat.com avatar

    This here! I actually have had really good luck using Arch. I’ve been running it for only a month now and I make certain to patch/update once a week. Thus far it has not left me stranded. I think Arch is underrated as an OS.

    aksdb ,

    I think Arch is underrated as an OS.

    I don’t think Arch is anywhere near “underrated”. The “I use Arch, btw” meme didn’t come out of nowhere. A lot of distros are based on Arch too. Even SteamOS (so the Steam Deck is essentially powered by Arch).

    In that regard: yes, Arch is awesome. I use it, btw.

    ablackcatstail ,
    @ablackcatstail@lemmy.goblackcat.com avatar

    Arch powers pretty much everything except my server which is Proxmox. Yep, Arch is awesome!

    what ,

    You will only notice the downside of a rolling release distribution when using it for years. Large breaking changes might unexpectedly be applied to your system, instead of at fixed points in time like with other distributions.

    Engywuck ,

    +1 for Arch

    Genrawir ,

    Fedora is more up to date than Ubuntu, and quite stable. Of course, depending on the exact packages you’re looking for the answer might change.

    anonlavey ,

    My vote goes to KDE Neon. Or Pop OS but I really like Neon! I tried using Manjaro with KDE for a few months but it’s just nowhere near as simple as Debian based distros. Never realized how convenient .deb packages were until I couldn’t use them lol

    youslashuser ,

    Did you try AUR?

    anonlavey ,

    I did for a while and I got some stuff to run pretty easily! I actually really liked the way pamac and pacman work but then I started getting a bunch of errors about a corrupt database. I found a way to fix it for pacman but pamac was still broken and I could not for the life of me figure out how to fix it so I took the noob route and ran back to Debian lol

    southernwolf ,
    @southernwolf@pawb.social avatar

    OpenSuse Tumbleweed is a great choice for a rolling-release distro that is also really stable too.

    zotn ,
    @zotn@lemmy.world avatar

    I second OpenSuse Tumbleweed, only switched back to it after 7+ years and it’s been great so far, no packages broke after update so far.

    somegeek ,

    debian unstable or opensuse and flatpaks

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