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Why Personal Cloud Storage is so bad on Linux?

The main cloud services don’t even work natively (GoogleDrive, OneDrive, iCloud) basically the only mainstream choice is Dropbox. I tried to use Google Drive in Mint, and it’s a pain to get it to work, and usually it stops working after computer restarts.

Someone has a recommendation about how to handle these services?

gideonstar ,
@gideonstar@feddit.de avatar

If you only need data storage, then seafile is your tool of choice.

kogasa ,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

Use pCloud.

huskypenguin ,

Life time subscriptions, it’s so cheap.

garam ,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

idrive package is cheaper, if you talk cheapnest…

synapse1278 ,
@synapse1278@lemmy.world avatar

The linux client worst fine, eventhough I rarely use it.

kogasa ,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

I haven’t had any issues with pCloud’s linux client either, although it is definitely not as quick to sync as Dropbox. It might take 30 seconds to pick up changes instead of 3. Something about block-level change tracking I think.

RoboRay , (edited )
@RoboRay@kbin.social avatar

Google drive integrates simply into the file manager on Gnome for cloud storage. It doesn't do offline file-sync between devices, however.

The Microsoft and Apple products don't support Linux because... Microsoft and Apple.

PrefersAwkward ,
@PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world avatar

Google drive also works great on kde

jrandiny ,

Does it work offline? Last time I tried it only works when you are online

RoboRay ,
@RoboRay@kbin.social avatar

No, the Google Drive implementation is just for cloud storage. It doesn't do offline file-sync. I'll update my earlier comment.

LonelyWendigo ,

I sick of seeing Google Drive recommended as an alternative to dropbox. (Because I am looking for an alternative to dropbox and so far nothing has feature parity with it and the features I value.) If an app forces me to be logged in to a graphical environment locally on Linux then it has already failed to understand why people use *nix. Google Drive doesn’t keep offline copies and it doesn’t work on CLI. So basically useless on my server. If the files aren’t natively and transparently accesible as a local filesystem while they are synced to the cloud, it’s not a viable Linux Dropbox alternative. I want my files on my machine and a copy on the cloud, not the other way round.

RoboRay ,
@RoboRay@kbin.social avatar

I have not and do not recommend it. I simply responded to the claim that it doesn't work, because it does. OP has something else going on that's causing Google Drive problems.

I use both Dropbox and Mega and recommend either for someone seeking a simple cloud-sync solution.

OboTheHobo ,

I managed to get one drive working on linux, able to mount it onto the filesystem using rclone.

RoboRay ,
@RoboRay@kbin.social avatar

Yes, it's often possible to get unsupported services working, but it's rarely simple and it's prone to breakage over time with changes to the system as well as to the service. I do not recommend it to anyone seeking a simple solution and I will not do it for someone I need to support.

Willifire ,

Someone has a recommendation about how to handle these services?

You don’t. Apple is notorious for their walled garden approach. Microsoft has no interest in supporting Linux (why should they?). Don’t know about Google.

I am pretty happy with pcloud. They offer lifetime licenses that are really worth it if you intend to stick with them long term. The automatic Backup works great and AFAIK they have clients for all major platform’s. The android client could be better, but Windows and Linux works great. Don’t miss any functionality and the connection (at least here in Germany) is fast.

potemkinhr ,
@potemkinhr@lemmy.ml avatar

Chiming in, is there a solid OneDrive client for linux that just works? No collaboration stuff needed for it or other fluff, just simple file sync. I pay for OneDrive family and would be nice to be able to sync files with other ecosystems (Synology, Windows, Android).

talizorah ,
@talizorah@kbin.social avatar

There’s a commercial Linux client I was using called Insync and it was perfect. Only stopped using it because I switched away from Linux

ezahn ,
@ezahn@mastodon.uno avatar

@talizorah @desconectado @potemkinhr I'm using OneDriver and it seems to work pretty well! Search it on Github.

ryan659 ,

I use this, it's great and does seem to do automatic sync too.

https://github.com/abraunegg/onedrive

bladewdr ,

This is the one I’m using as well. I use it to keep my work laptop running Linux in sync with the various Windows desktops I use in our offices. Works great for keeping my work keepass vault in sync.

bceuhwps ,

Rclone is awesome. Mega and PCloud got native clients that works great. Nextcloud is an alternative.

LinusWorks4Mo ,
@LinusWorks4Mo@kbin.social avatar

rclone for cloud backup

Quazatron ,
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

I keep seeing this question pop up. “Why doesn’t [closed/proprietary technology] work well in Linux?”

This question should be asked at whoever makes said technology. You are their client, why don’t they support your operating system?

That responsibility should not fall on the shoulders of the thankless volunteers that do their best to create an awesome OS.

Alternatively you can buy one of the commercial distributions and become a client. Then you can ask your supplier why don’t they support that technology.

desconectado OP ,

I agree! But it’s surprising that even Google doesn’t have a native app for Drive. There’s one for android, but not for Linux? I’m guessing it all boils down to number of users, but still…

muttley123 ,

@desconectado @Quazatron

For personal use, i use FreeFileSync.
Really awesome, works like a charm.

WFH ,
@WFH@lemmy.world avatar

Google literally owns Android tho.

stappern ,

Not exactly

WFH ,
@WFH@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah yeah, AOSP and all that. Despite, Android is made primarily by Google to push Google products and most apps depend on Google services. For all intents and purposes, Android is a first party OS for Google.

LiveLM ,

Case in point, Mega.nz offers a native GUI client for Linux and went out of their way to also make a full command line client.
Support those services that don’t treat you like ass, y’know?

beeng ,

Mega (Mega Upload) ain’t bad, 30gb free. Worth a look!

I used them all, so I get plenty of cloud storage for free

MaxPower ,
@MaxPower@feddit.de avatar

If you want cloud storage I’d recommend Nextcloud as a service (I’m not affiliated with them, just a customer)

Works like a charm. You can even install plugins. Also, there are other companies that provide hosting so there is no vendor-lock-in.

Molecular0079 ,

Can’t recommend Nextcloud enough. I also recommend checking out self-hosting! It’s ridiculously easy to setup with the example docker-compose files they have in their git repo. If you have a NAS or a machine at home, you can basically create your own online storage that’s completely private.

soniquest ,

I have a raspberry pi 2, would this handle Nextcloud? Any recommendations for a hard drive to use with it please?

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Being 32 bit, it’s getting a bit old for using it with modern software. But maybe take a look at this and give it a try:

help.nextcloud.com/t/…/126308

NextcloudPi is a fairly low-maintenance version of NC, the only way I’d recommend installing it besides as a docker image. Straight installing NC is a recipe for disaster, it’s notoriously bad at updating that way.

Whatever you do, don’t use the builtin web updater inside NC to update nextcloud itself. Their app updater is fine, but the actual Nextcloud web updater is utter dogshit and will break things.

soniquest ,

Thank you 😃

fossisfun ,

What’s your use case for cloud storage?

If you only want to sync files between your devices, I would recommend taking a look at Syncthing. It syncs files without relying on a central server and is much faster, as it can sync within your local network and is therefore not restricted by the speed of your internet connection.

For sharing files with others, I use a self-hosted Nextcloud. I mounted my Syncthing folder as external storage.

If you use GNOME as your desktop, you can also log into some online services in system settings and then, for example, access Google drive via the file manager to upload or download files.

I believe there are also third-party tools for some cloud storage providers, but I have no experience with them and therefore can’t make any recommendations.

Some cloud storage providers probably don’t see Linux as a large enough market to justify the development of official clients. Some, e. g. Microsoft, could have an interest against one to not make alternatives to their own products, e. g. Windows, more attractive than they already are.

ezahn ,
@ezahn@mastodon.uno avatar

@fossisfun @desconectado Still, if I was Microsoft I think I'll develop an official OneDrive client for Linux. And I hope in the future they'll realize it's not a bad opportunity for them and for fidelizing users.

toketin ,
@toketin@feddit.it avatar

Hi, I quote this, Syncthing+Nextcloud if you want to share directories, files, calendar, contatcs etc with someone, for example your family.

TCB13 , (edited )
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Syncthing is a very good piece of software, even when working cross-platform. Nextcloud, however, is the biggest and most cumbersome pile of garbage open-source produced in the last decate.

Currently I’m running Syncthing on my NAS and all my devices sync to it (no cross-device sync to avoid issues). Then I’ve an SMB share to allow access to the files on iOS devices and FileBrowser for a cloud-like web browser access experience. Works flawlessly uses very little RAM and its solid, private, secure and manageable open-source - not something like Nextcloud that calls home, breaks everything on upgrades, wastes ram and runs slowly to only deliver an inferior experience in all possible ways.

Some of my experiences with NC are described in detail at lemmy.world/comment/1571886 and lemmy.world/comment/346174

fossisfun ,

It works fine for what I need it to do: access and share my Syncthing folders, CalDAV, CardDAV, RSS

I try to minimise the amount of stuff I selfhost, as I don’t enjoy being responsible for the uptime and security of a whole bunch of personal web services. That’s why I like the flexibility of ownCloud and now Nextcloud, instead of using a different, standalone project for each function.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Nextcloud is everything other than minimization and stability. I bet if you take a quick look at their repositories you’ll find security-wise questionable stuff very fast and also tons of different pieces not a single thing.

floppy ,
@floppy@rabbitea.rs avatar

I have a Backblaze B2 account I use for other things, I recently created a new bucket on it and attached it as a drive using s3fs. Works fine as far as I can tell (I’ve not used it much - prefer to keep things locally and just back them up off-site, which is actually what I have my B2 account for), so you certainly can do this with an S3 (AWS) compatible service.

mackwinston ,

I use Backblaze B2 buckets too, just use a cron job to sync stuff once a day (using it for backups). It’s not expensive and it just seems to keep on working. I also like their disc reliability reports they send out.

brianshatchet ,

Is it encrypted prior to sending?

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

That’s what I use for backups of all my stuff. Restic runs and manages the backup process.

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

That’s what I do, too. Only thing is, I’m trying to figure out how to speed s3fs up because it’s pretty pokey. How well does it run for you?

Vega ,
@Vega@feddit.it avatar

Try nextcloud

thepiguy ,

I use Google cloud with nautilus, and before that I used google-drive-ocamlfuse on my Chromebook with custom firmware. All this just so I don’t have to use their stupid website.

IncidentalIncidence ,

Because it’s a disproportionate amount of effort to natively support an extra OS (particularly one as fragmented as Linux), especially one with such a small userbase that largely isn’t interested in using proprietary cloud services in the first place because of data privacy and security concerns.

Obviously not all Linux users are super worried about that stuff (I mean, I use Linux and have a google pixel), but on average the Linux userbase is way way more aware of that stuff than most users who just want their photos backed up without having to worry about it.

huskypenguin ,

They could easily provide a cli tool or a docker app (which would work on every OS).

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