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Why Personal Cloud Storage is so bad on Linux?

The main cloud services don’t even work natively (GoogleDrive, OneDrive, iCloud) basically the only mainstream choice is Dropbox. I tried to use Google Drive in Mint, and it’s a pain to get it to work, and usually it stops working after computer restarts.

Someone has a recommendation about how to handle these services?

fox ,
@fox@lemmy.fakecake.org avatar

Syncthing has never failed me.

besbin ,

Most people I know who use Linux wouldn’t trust Cloud services cause that’s just storing your stuff on somebody else machine. You can self hosted service like Next cloud on a raspberry pi or just get comfortable with networking enough to setup VPN and ssh into your home computer from the net to get your stuff.

Hamartiogonic ,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Well the thing is, I’m still not comfortable in opening up an attack surface like that. I would much rather pay for someone else to do that. Preferably someone who really knows what they are doing and keeps an eye on the constantly evolving security environment. There’s a bunch of other stuff happening in my life, so finding the time to play server admin isn’t that easy right now.

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

There are many professional Nextcloud holsters, for example: www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share

Hamartiogonic ,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Thanks for the link. Recently, I’ve been looking into nextcloud providers, but somehow I missed this company.

naeap ,
@naeap@sopuli.xyz avatar

If you need the online storage (or whatever self hosted service) just for yourself (and maybe some few people), it’s very simple to set up a Wireguard instance. My server doesn’t even show open ports to the outside world, but with Wireguard I can access my git, wiki, etc in my home LAN.
I haven’t really tried any of the second tier Solutions like Tailscale. But when you have more users or a more complex environment, that could help.

Still, sharing stuff with “outsiders” would still be tricky, I guess - at least I haven’t found a solution…

JackbyDev ,

A huge part of disaster recovery is storing things in separate geographic locations. That’s not easily don’t with self hosting. If all my stuff is on a file server at my house and my house burns down then I’ve lost all my files.

nyan ,

While this is true, you can have a remote backup service that isn’t the type of cloud storage the OP seems to want (that is, which isn’t designed for editing individual files on the fly on the remote server, or synchronizing between devices). They’re similar, but not the same.

JackbyDev ,

I’m mostly talking about the “somebody else’s computer” part in the comment I replied to. I don’t think it’s very feasible. I think self hosting stuff from home is awesome and think it’s a culture more folks should check out, but to really have a proper backup of files they need to be stored in multiple different physical locations and that’s not something that’s cost effective for most folks. What you’re talking about is still “someone else’s computer” so not different from the comment above.

alteropen ,

@JackbyDev @besbin my personal solution for this is an encrypted 16tb external storage drive I keep in my car. A copy of my server drive is made once a week. not perfect solution but doesn't require much effort on my part

JackbyDev ,

Where do you keep your car?

alteropen ,

@JackbyDev in a parking space on the other side of the road from my house, not far but deals with the whole house fire problem

JackbyDev ,

Just sanity checking 👍

ebits21 ,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

I guess it depends where you live, but I’d be worried about heat/freezing.

alteropen ,

@ebits21 yes this is true I mean I live in the UK so we don't get extremes neither way, but maybe during winter I should keep the drive at my partners place

BlueSquid0741 ,

I walk through the woods on one side of my house, there is a shovel behind some trees I’ve marked. Then I go back to my house, down the other side of my property until I get to the river. Then I dig in the river bank until I get to a plastic bag. Double wrapped of course.

Inside the plastic bag?.. a collection of 1gb USB thumb drives and a note pad.

In the note pad?.. an index cataloguing what is backed up on each thumb drive.

argv_minus_one ,

A hard drive in a bank vault is separated enough that nothing short of a nuke will destroy every copy of your data at the same time.

JackbyDev ,

Have fun going to the bank every time you want to sync.

argv_minus_one ,

Multiple backup drives. Rotate every week or two. It’s not hard.

ebits21 ,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Uh what? Lots of Linux users also use cloud services.

Pretty easy to use something like Cryptomator with almost any service and maintain privacy.

Self hosting can be great; it can also be a pain.

Luckyfriend222 ,

I have a self-hosted Nextcloud and my Nextcloud account connected via GNOME as an Online Account. It integrates seamlessly with Calendar, gives me a webdav mount for my files etc. I don’t have any issues. I have not added any Google accounts, and definitely no Microsoft accounts. I don’t use public clouds for private stuff.

woelkchen ,
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I have a self-hosted Nextcloud and my Nextcloud account connected via GNOME as an Online Account.

The self-hosted bit is the problem. I have yet to find a Nextcloud provider that offers the service truly ready to go. The ones I found try to make it somewhat easy by offering Install buttons in web interfaces but if you have absolutely no clue about such things, even that is a hurdle to overcome.

albsen ,

Here is the official list of nextcloud providers that do the setup and maintenance for you: github.com/nextcloud/providers#providers

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Considering that the list includes providers I’ve had first hand experience with and those are not ready to use: No.

gabriele97 ,
@gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top avatar

You can use rclone

CtrlAltOoops ,

I second that.

With the additional advantage that rclone has modules like crypt and join, which allows you to keep your data encrypted no matter which cloud you use, gaining more cloud space by joining clouds, etc.

garam ,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

rclone

rclone bisync, even it’s not good in production, I been using it for 1.5 years, just need to check the log regularly… I just hope this function become stable enough to be on mainstream, then almost all cloud storage works well on it…

CtrlAltOoops ,

I didn’t know this option. Will certainly give it a look.

garam ,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

Just make sure, that you have logs for it, and check before sync. because sometimes in bisync, you can lost your file… but I already manage it by excluding a lot of .swp, ~.lock., and other temp files… Mostly temp files is there cause of broken bisync, and when resync, the file that suppose to be synced, deleted…

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