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communism ,
@communism@lemmy.ml avatar

Hm. I don’t have anything against volunteer roles (there’s a difference between volunteer roles and “unpaid work”, “unpaid work” implies a form of coercion—if it’s a volunteer role you can say no with no punishment or consequence), but the way it’s described, e.g. the implied expectation of conducting yourself professionally at Linux conferences, makes it sound like it will have quite a bit more responsibility than most volunteer roles in the Linux community. And Framework isn’t a nonprofit; they produce and sell commodities, so they should be able to pay their own workers.

I’m not rioting over it, I don’t ultimately care too much and if people want to volunteer for this role that’s their choice. I think I’d prefer they paid these ambassadors but ultimately if you don’t want to do this for free there’s not really anything coercing you into doing it, so.

CMDR_Horn ,

Send me a laptop and I’ll spend a few hours a week helping on your forums or even tickets. But no one should work for free

IllNess ,

**I don’t have a Framework Laptop, can I still apply?**Our ambassadors need to be active users and owners of Framework Laptop(s)

I wonder if volunteer ambassadors have to report to someone and if they have deadlines…

carzian ,

Like many others, I have mixed feelings on this. If anyone is stopping by and doesn’t want to read through the linked forum thread, this is frameworks goal:

This isn’t a program to get people to go to conferences and rep Framework, it’s a program to give people who are already going to conferences and showing off their Framework some swag and opportunities to talk with the team. It’s not assigning work, it’s just saying thank you to people who are excited about Framework and active in the Linux community.

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

That is how they should have described it right away, nobody would have been upset about it.

EccTM ,

What I feel would be acceptable:

If you’re proud of your Framework laptop and want to brag about it, we’ll give you some swag for free that you can show off with when you’re out and about!

What this looked like to me:

If you’re attending a conference we’d be paid to attend, but can’t go to, will you show off your Framework laptop to attendees in an effort to convince them to buy one from us too, and we’ll send you some stickers?

The issue isn’t even what they’re asking for, but how their asking it.

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Ubuntu has had ambassadors for a very long time, the first is essentially how they did it. Also, local events was mostly things like LUG meetings or actual events in the area.

This seems very poorly conceived and exploitative. Or at the very least, very poorly communicated.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ll do it for a free laptpp

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t have a Framework Laptop, can I still apply?

Our ambassadors need to be active users and owners of Framework Laptop(s)

That’s pathetic. In place of financial compensation, the least they could do is to give Framework notebooks away. Doesn’t even have to be a gift right away. There could be strings attached. “On loan first but you can keep it after X amount of time.”

possiblylinux127 ,

Maybe they could at least establish a way of tipping people who help solve issues.

superkret ,

If you’re working for a privately owned for-profit corporation, you’re not a volunteer.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

If you’re not getting paid for that work, you’re a volunteer. That’s literally what a volunteer is.

colourlesspony ,
@colourlesspony@pawb.social avatar

I think the “Showcasing Framework Laptops” is what rubs me the wrong way. I like the idea of trying to get feedback and learn the need of real linux users but anything that qualifies as marketing should be paid.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Two rules:

  1. Don’t talk to the police
  2. Fuck you, pay me.
Codename_goose ,
@Codename_goose@sh.itjust.works avatar

Your second link is honestly should be a sticky on a lot of communities and I try to always show people that video to illustrate how hard things are for people.

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