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what’s your thoughts on Linux and Windows…

When I refer to Linux, I am referring to a computer with the kernel and other software that makes up a Personal Computer.

I like to think that Linux is great, and always will be, a Personal Computer. Windows, I will always remember it being the best thing for business’s as Microsoft pushes licenses and such business related features.

I switched to Linux in 2020, Ubuntu, and slowly learned my ways around, and understanding how everything works, but most people don’t have to now, it’s so simple to get started.

rostselmasch , (edited )
@rostselmasch@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Linux Kernel provides more security techniques than Windows indeed, but they need to be used. To point out CVEs is kind of stupid. The Linux kernel never commited any entries to the CVE database for years, they started since February 2024 doing so, because they gave up on their opposition. They warned, if they do this now, the databases will get flooded with CVEs. Because in the kernel context, every bug counts as a security problem, if you look at it from the right perspective. This is a difference to Windows CVEs.

Of course this is great for those CVEs database providers because they now can sell their stuff happily.

What you need are not CVE entries for the Linux Kernel, but the latest supported Linux Kernel installed.

And srsly: Antivirus is snake oil. Using software with Administrator rights in Windows or even Linux, which parses every file, is fucking dangerous. It is usable on a mailserver, where the antivirus process is containerised or virtualized.

And what is the point with firewalls I read here? The most distros have firewalls enabled. When were they not there? Iptables was always there and I had to configure it, so I could allow or disallow incoming traffic. I almost never had to install it manually.

Edit:

Regarding CVEs, here the what Linux CNA tells:

Note, due to the layer at which the Linux kernel is in a system, almost any bug might be exploitable to compromise the security of the kernel, but the possibility of exploitation is often not evident when the bug is fixed. Because of this, the CVE assignment team is overly cautious and assign CVE numbers to any bugfix that they identify. This explains the seemingly large number of CVEs that are issued by the Linux kernel team.

Source

Any bugfix is a CVE

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Your ability to ride the fence is admirable OP, don’t let anyone take it from you 🙏

the_crotch ,

DAE micro$haft winBLOW$ suxx???

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i mean gimp and libre office are both downloadable from winget and windows is typically free or factored in when you buy a pc (which is how most people would get it)

possiblylinux127 ,

I would argue that Linux is not more secure than Windows. Linux is way more private and gives you way more control but from a purely security perspective Linux has its own weaknesses and is constantly getting CVEs.

TerraRoot ,

I don’t think getting CVE’s is a good metric for security strength, but good points aside.

possiblylinux127 ,

I don’t think Linux is inherently insecure. I just think it does have its own security issues which is especially true of LTS. It isn’t a golden nugget and it is problematic when people treat it as such.

aBundleOfFerrets ,

Windows isn’t / doesn’t use a microkernel

Auzy ,

Gimp runs in windows. The security thing isn’t really true (X11 isn’t secure and it can’t be fixed apparently)

In fact, as others have said, really bad comparison…

cmnybo ,

X11 isn’t secure and it can’t be fixed apparently

Which is why so much work has been going into Wayland, which will replace X11.

Auzy ,

Yeah. And honestly, way land already works fine (even screen sharing). Waydroid is a bit of a killer app too (but needs more refinement,).

eveninghere ,

Using Windows I can tolerate most of their shit. But their Administor stuff and security model in general…

drwankingstein ,

this is quite frankly, a really dumb picture that is wrong on many accounts

embed_me ,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

Looks like something an underpaid school teacher would whip up

floofloof , (edited )

“Free software” doesn’t mean you don’t pay for it, but that it respects and preserves the user’s freedom. The opposite is not “cost software” but unfree software.

What is free software?

Most of the other points in this list are also questionable or inaccurate. In fact, I think the only true one is the first one: open source vs closed source.

Synther OP ,

Yeah, in fact. The Linux kernel does use proprietary software (Blobs) for it to run. Or stuff to function like Bluetooth and shit like that.

Idk, just a Twitter post I found.

Malgas ,

Though it is also true that Linux is gratis and Windows is not.

Shareni ,

Not really:

  • RHEL is paid if you need more devices than the free license provides
  • SEL and Ubuntu Pro don’t have any free licenses as far as I remember
  • you can mostly use windows without paying anything
Malgas ,

It seems kind of disingenuous to compare enterprise support contracts for Linux to personal Windows licenses. Especially while also ignoring that you do pay for Windows, it’s just hidden in the cost of the device.

fin ,

Linux: Gimp

Windows: Photoshop

Gimp is available on Windows.

floofloof ,

Linux: Libre Office

Windows: MS Office

Libre Office is also available on Windows.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

Administrator is not root. NT AUTHORIRY\System probably comes closest. You rarely need to interact with that account because Window’s security system doesn’t have the same mix of authentication systems most Linux systems have (users + container APIs + PolKit).

Windows also supports mixed case filesystems just fine. It’s not the default, so your programs will probably screw up, but it’s just a flag. You can also mount filesystems like ext4 and btrfs on Windows (though booting from them doesn’t really work).

Also, Windows runs Libreoffice and GIMP just fine. You don’t need to, because you have better sofware available (pirated or paid).

As for security, Windows is MUCH better unless you’re a cybersecurity specialist with too much time in their hands. Most major distros don’t even come with a firewall enabled by default, let alone a firewall for outgoing traffic. And the best AV I’ve seen for Linux is Microsoft’s enterprise version of Windows defender. In terms of hacking tools, they’re mostly written in languages Python, most of them work on either platform.

For development, Linux has a slight edge, but with WSL2 it really doesn’t matter much.

boonhet ,

I don’t think Windows uses a microkernel. Hybrid kernel is the term I’ve heard used.

shotgun_crab ,

Ah yes, free vs cost software…

TootSweet ,

Windows, I will always remember it being the best thing for business’s as Microsoft pushes licenses and such business related features.

Most businesses I’m familiar with deserve to have to deal with Microsoft BS.

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