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laurelraven ,

Huh. For some reason, I thought he died a while ago.

sugartits ,

No, that was his wife.

Peter1986C ,
@Peter1986C@lemmings.world avatar

For the uninitiated: his wife was murdered by him.

laurelraven ,

Yeah, I know… For some reason I thought he died in prison years ago, but I have no idea where I got that idea

bloodfart ,

whats the recommended method of dealing with old reiser partitions once kernel support gets removed?

cornshark ,

Kill them?

semperverus ,
@semperverus@lemmy.world avatar

Too soon

ProgrammingSocks ,

Migrate them to a modern filesystem, presumably. ext4 is extremely reliable, btrfs is less proven but much more featureful with copy-on-write and snapshots.

This isn’t any type of surprise, ResierFS was marked obsolete some time ago now.

bloodfart ,

i guess i’m asking how do i migrate them to newer filesystems once kernel support is removed. surely i’ll still be able to modprobe it back in…

laurelraven ,

Use a kernel version that still has support to perform the copy before upgrading? If already upgraded, boot to the old kernel? Boot from a live iso that has support?

I mean, this isn’t exactly a hard problem to solve…

bloodfart ,

I guess I gotta put an old Slackware cd in with that drawer full of reiser drives.

LeFantome ,

The 6.10 kernel has not even been released yet. Support has not been removed yet. It does not have to be an “old” Slackware CD.

bloodfart , (edited )

E: ut announcer: DOUBLE POST!

bloodfart ,

By the time I get around to shuffling through a bunch of old drive it very well could be!

possiblylinux127 ,

Btrfs is well supported and stable

eveninghere ,

Yeah, people have been saying btrfs to be untested for more than a decade by now.

ProgrammingSocks ,

I like btrfs but I’ve personally had problems. Protip: DO NOT USE THAT WINDOWS DRIVER

possiblylinux127 ,

Migrate now before you lose your data

boo_ ,
@boo_@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Use an old kernel version (if yours doesn’t still support it) and something like btrfs-convert to get a maintained filesystem instead. Works pretty well in my experience with converting other filesystems to btrfs.

bloodfart ,

Ty!

I think I’m just gonna burn a Slackware cd and put it in the drawer with all the reiser disks.

boo_ ,
@boo_@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I agree with the other commenter recommending to migrate as soon as possible while the kernel still does support, but that does seem like a workable strategy if you can’t for the foreseeable future.

MrPoopyButthole ,
@MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world avatar

The guy had a friend who admitted to 8 murders and he himself murdered his wife who was the translator for a Russian mail order bride catalogue… Woah. Its hard to believe a person like that could contribute to open source.

Vikthor ,

You are discussing on a platform created by a man who praises people like Lenin & Castro. Richard Stallman resigned over some comments on Epstein victims. Free software is like that sometimes.

onlinepersona ,

Free software is like that sometimes.

Anything is like that. The inventors of a great many things weren’t good people. Just because people do great things, doesn’t mean they are great people. Nazi doctors found out a lot about the human body by torturing them and/or treating them inhumanely. Probably a lot was discovered during the torture of humans and ignoring human rights (which probably didn’t exist at that time).

Closed source software isn’t better. It’s run by people who devalue their workers, other humans, and in fact the entire world except people like them.

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acockworkorange ,

Nazi doctors found out a lot about the human body by torturing them and/or treating them inhumanely.

That is a myth. The documentation left behind by them had little to no scientific rigor, and basically nothing of value was gained from it. The situation was even worse on the Japanese side, where even the visiting nazis thought they were going too far and, again, nothing of value was gained.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Let me guess, the likes of you worship Biden, Netanyahu, Zelensky and Mussolini, western heroes?

ilost7489 ,

If you aren’t far left then you are far right!

Also, these leaders have little in common and I don’t know where you got the idea Mussolini is a western hero

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Lenin and Castro are actual heroes, though. Your propagandistic take is just NATO support. For West, Hitler, Netanyahu, Biden, Stepan Bandera are heroes today.

Also, since you insist…

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/16c94cb4-d6b0-4e4d-be29-6539cc1721ad.jpeg

Auli ,

How is Hitler a hero? Or Biden anyone else on there don’t know do won’t comment.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Idk, ask west, Biden pumped billions into Israel last week and even threatened ICC openly. All of west is bouncing on Netanyahu’s wiener and cheering Israel. Hitler’s collaborators have monuments in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, and Canada even paid tribute to Nazis in their parliament.

deathbird ,

A person like what? There’s no connecting thread between morality, emotional maturity, and programming skills.

Auli ,

Who is going to stop them. It’s not like there’s a gatekeeper.

Pacmanlives ,

Man what a wild ride ReiserFS has been. I remember when it was the mainline FS in a lot of Linux distros. Good on Hans to right some wrongs. Prison has done some good on him

atzanteol ,

How petty - I’m surprised the kernel team allowed that crap in the first place. This should have been changed the day that murderer was convicted.

Tb0n3 ,

No need to change something if there’s no reason to. A murderer of wife he may be, but that wouldn’t change what happened in the project. It’s also possible that since it wasn’t all that popular outside of memes nobody even checked.

atzanteol ,

It’s a readme. You don’t need a huge reason to remove bs like this. Using documentation in the kernel source tree to air grievances shouldn’t be allowed.

LeFantome ,

The primary job of the kernel maintainer is to be a technical gatekeeper, not a social one.

It is fine to have standards for submission, including asking things like READMEs to be free of politics. They could have rejected the original commit for that reason. Even these kinds of policies are difficult to apply uniformly and fairly.

That said, the original text was a bit mean spirited but pretty harmless, especially for people unfamiliar with the internal project drama. It looks a lot worse through the lens of knowing that he is a murderer.

What I asking is that it not become anybody’s job to retroactively edit the kernel history for social reasons. Why would this README need to be modified or removed after being accepted?

Who makes the decision for what gets changed and to what? For what reason? Should the project have changed the name of the filesystem once it was clear it was named after a murderer? Are we all complicit in that crime for having this code on our computers?

My point is exactly that the kernel is not a library.

Removing ReiserFS because of its lack of maintenance and future relevance is good kernel maintenance. Rewriting the README like it is a Wikipedia article is not.

atzanteol ,

Why would this README need to be modified or removed after being accepted?

It literally just was and for the same reasons I’m saying it should have been.

LeFantome ,

Happy to keep politics out of the kernel. It was a historical record. Let’s not 1984 the past.

atzanteol ,

Let’s not 1984 the past.

Are you joking? It’s a kernel not a library.

technom ,

The kernel isn’t a place to play politics. You can’t just yank a component out like that on short notice, even if it has such a horrible story attached to it.

Back then, ReiserFS was mildly popular and its use would have been widespread (that includes me). The users of ReiserFS and probably even the other kernel devs had no idea that Hans Reiser was capable of such a crime. Infact, he was known as a computer prodigy back then.

There are plenty of users who don’t have the luxury of migrating data on a short notice to a different filesystem. Disabling the filesystem would have left them high and dry. That’s why the devs gave it a long deprecation period.

atzanteol ,

The kernel isn’t a place to play politics. You can’t just yank a component out like that on short notice, even if it has such a horrible story attached to it.

I didn’t say to rip out the kernel module - just to reject or fix the README to be more appropriate. As you say - it’s not a place to play politics and the original README did.

I’m saying what they just did should have been done a long time ago for the same reasons they did it now. It’s not appropriate to air such crap in the source tree.

loops ,

Hans credits his improved social and communication skills learned in prison among other details shared in the public letters.

I thought prisons were meant to cause more trauma and help ensure people never leave so as to increase profits?

colourlesspony ,
@colourlesspony@pawb.social avatar

That’s only for minorities and poor people.

Huschke ,

And mainly in third world countries, like the US.

LeFantome ,

I get the sentiment but San Quentin is not exactly an executive retreat.

5714 ,

Some prisons might be better than others, some people might be able to withstand the system within and work on themselves.

Sneptaur ,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

I don’t think it’s an American prison.

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

Edit: Excuse me, he’s in California Health Care Facility, which is a state prison which is geared toward patients with long-term medical needs (acute chronic diseases, debilitating injuries) and acute mental health needs (which Reiser definitely fits the profile of). He was transferred out of San Quentin some years ago.

wiki_me ,

He is locked in California, a fairly progressive and leftist state i think , I am not entirely certain all that therapy is a good thing, i think i watched a documentary saying that psychopaths only learn from therapy how to be better manipulators and i feel like he sounds like psychopath even now.

With that said if he gets out of prison i think he should be allowed to participate in FOSS (when someone reviews his contributions), i can’t help but wonder if his reportedly unhinged behavior on the kernel mailing list was handled better (e.g. mandating he will go to therapy) the murder would not have happened.

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

The prisons he was in previously definitely are not the touchy-feely kind. These days he’s in California Health Care Facility, which is geared toward prisoners with significant mental health problems (notably, multiple serial killers). So, therapy of some kind definitely makes sense. However, Reiser’s been denied parole each and every time he’s been up for it (next review in 2025), so it is unlikely that he’s getting out.

possiblylinux127 ,

I feel like it is impossible to know enough details to make any kind of conclusions. I do not think foss should check criminal records though.

Auli ,

So who’s going to check.

possiblylinux127 ,

That’s why you can’t check records

deathbird ,

i feel like he sounds like psychopath even now.

I think it’s rash to judge the tone of his writing like that. It can be a struggle to identify and admit one’s flaws, and it’s certainly a struggle for most people of the modern era to write elegantly with only pen and a few sheets of paper.

ProgrammingSocks ,

Yes, most people experience prison in the way you described. There’s always exceptions, and like someone else said it’s in California. Not a left wing state but the closest you’ll get in the US.

If the system was so great at rehabilitation the reoffender rate wouldn’t be so insane.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

While ReiserFS is obsolete and will eventually be dropped from the upstream Linux kernel in Linux 6.10 is one last ReiserFS change that was requested by former lead developer Hans Reiser.

ReiserFS lead developer and convicted murderer Hans Reiser a few months back wrote letters to be made public apologizing for his social mistakes and other commentary.

In his written communications he also made a last request for ReiserFS in the Linux kernel: "Assuming that the decision is to remove [ReiserFS] V3 from the kernel, I have just one request: that for one last release the README be edited to add Mikhail Gilula, Konstantin Shvachko, and Anatoly Pinchuk to the credits, and to delete anything in there I might have said about why they were not credited.

Hans credits his improved social and communication skills learned in prison among other details shared in the public letters.

Per the indirect request by Hans Reiser, SUSE’s Jan Kara has now altered the ReiserFS README file with the changes going in today to the Linux 6.10 kernel.

The change landed today as part of the linux-fs merge to Linux 6.10.

The original article contains 203 words, the summary contains 187 words. Saved 8%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

gravitas_deficiency ,

That’s actually surprisingly wholesome. It’s always wonderful to see people really putting in the effort towards personal growth. It’s good for them, and it’s also good for everyone else.

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