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Whats your thoughts on Ai in your terminal?

Today i was doing the daily ritual of looking at distrowatch. Todays reveiw section was about a termal called warp, it has built in AI for recomendations and correction for commands (like zhs and nushell). You can also as a chatbot for help. I think its a neat conscept however the security is what makes me a bit skittish. They say the dont collect data and you can check it aswell as opt out. But the idea of a terminal being read by an Ai makes me hesitant aswell as a account needed to use warp. What do you guys think?

NotSteve_ ,

Fish’s autocomplete is enough for me. I do like having Copilot in my editor but I can’t really think of a reason I’d need it in my terminal. Most of my time in the terminal is just installing things, git or moving things around and I have all those commands down as muscle memory.

kby ,

Just use Ollama.

Saracha ,

So I took some time to look around and as far as my perspective as a non dev regular user. While this does seem like a useful tool that could be useful for someone who interacts with the command line on a infrequent basis, the drawbacks on it seem pretty big.

  1. Everywhere on their website seems clear that they don’t store your data, but I have trouble believing that? Why on earth they would need for you to create a account that you must log in to use the terminal if they don’t have a need to monitor your data?
  2. While they claim that they are intending to monetize this by charging enterprise users and letting small teams use it for free, they limit free requests to 20 per dday which seems less than useless.
  3. Maybe this is just some confusion since I don’t have any experience as an enterprise but it seems like it would be an unacceptable security risk having a program that it telling you that it sends telemetry back home that users are interacting with using sudo and elevated privileges. Especially when it is a closed box.

Ignoring all the reasons to be cautious and skeptical about AI in general I struggle to see the use case for this particular tool.

filister ,

And now I am imagining some sophisticated hack that breaches their AI generator and starts slipping command arguments that might expose your system. Probably too much of an effort but still plausible.

aluminiumsandworm ,

simply use thefuck

rufus , (edited )

There are lots of fish shell extensions, zsh stuff and loads of things that make suggestions, autocomplete, remember your shell history and remember frequently executed commands and visited directories. All of that works WAY better than the AI suff. (And sometimes also has nice pop-up menus.)

So compared to plain bash without autocomplete and Ctrl+R it may be useful. It is probably a step back for everyone else. Especially if they roughly know what they’re doing.

But I didn’t try this specific software. Maybe I would if it were free software and connected to a local LLM.

eeleech ,

So compared to plain bash without autocomplete and Ctrl+R it may be useful. It is probably a step back for everyone else.

I think it could be much worse than even a plain shell with ^R, as the llm will be slower than the normal history search and probably has less context than the $HISTFILE.

rufus , (edited )

I think so, too. I mean the traditional history search and command option suggestions are instant and come at no additional cost. I don’t know how fast ChatGPT is, I only ever play around with local LLMs. And roughly exploring what Github Copilot is about, just made my laptop fans spin on max and started to drain the battery really fast. Would be the same for an ‘AI’ terminal. And when asking the LLMs for shell commands I got mixed results. It can do easy stuff. So I guess for someone who wonders how to find the IP address… It’ll do the trick. But all the things I tried asking some chatbots that would have been really useful to me, failed. It hallucinated parameters or did something else. And I needed to google it anyways or open the man page.

I’m not sure, I currently don’t see me using such tools. I like talking to chatbots and have them draft stuff and provide me with ideas. But I also like computers in the other way, that they are machines that just follow my orders and don’t talk back. And when working in the terminal or coding, it seems to distract me if suggestions pop up and I need to read them and decide what to do, or occasionally laugh… For me it seems to work better if I think about something, have an idea in my head and type it down without discussing it with the machine… I mean not 100% of the time, sometimes a suggestion helps… But I think I rather have the chatbot in a separate window and only loosely tied into my workflow if at all. And I don’t like proprietary and cloud-based products for something like this.

ProgrammingSocks ,

It hallucinated parameters

Sound like LLMs to me. This is not going to stop being a problem. This is the fundamental problem with LLMs - they are text prediction algorithms and have no comprehension of their output.

rufus , (edited )

I’m not sure. Afaik the research is happening. And AI related stuff always happens faster than I can imagine. Ultimately I want the LLMs to hallucinate. They should be able to combine ideas and come up with new and creative answers and be more than just autocomplete. I think what we need is the LLM knowing what it knows and what is made up, and a setscrew. I can see this happening with a higher level of intelligence and/or a clever architecture. I’m not an expert on machine learning myself, however that is what I took from news, companies struggling with their chatbots and everyone wanting their AI assistant to provide factual information. And I don’t see anything ruling that out completely. I mean we humans also sometimes get things wrong or mis-adjust our level of creativity. But I think the concept of facts can be taught to LLMs to some degree, they already seem to grasp it. And concepts have been proposed and things like AI agents that come up with ideas and other agents that check for factuality are in active use. Along with the big tech companies making their AIs cite the sources. In my eyes, progess is being made.

But this is why I currently don’t use LLMs for important and unsupervised stuff, and i try to avoid them when I need correctness. However… I really like to tinker with them, do AI assisted storywriting, or have them come up with 5 creative ideas for a birthday party for my wife. That works well, and with a bit of trickery you can make them output more than the most obvious ideas. And I’m impressed by their ability to code, but as I said it’s still far away from being useful to me. I currently don’t fear for my job. And I additionally struggle with the size of models I can do inference with and their respective intelligence… We’re in the Linux community here, so I think I can be open… I don’t like big tech companies doing my compute and providing me with closed and proprietary services. I don’t use ChatGPT, only open-weight models I can run myself. They aren’t as smart, but I don’t want the future of humankind to be shaped by services and good will of big tech companies.

Trent ,

Absolutely not. And they can fuck right off with that whole needing an account to use a terminal thing.

Sims ,

I think AI exposes how little trust people have in Capitalist organizations.

WolfLink ,

The AI can have access to a terminal in a docker container on my raspberry pi. If I’m convinced it’s trustworthy it might move up to a docker container on my desktop.

MasterNerd ,
@MasterNerd@lemm.ee avatar

Maybe if you can use it with a locally running LLM server like ollama, but otherwise fuck no

kbal ,
@kbal@kbin.melroy.org avatar

To help make skittish people feel at ease with the concept, why not give it a friendly on-screen avatar? Perhaps something like a cute little animated paperclip.

kby ,

You are onto something here…

azimir ,

I dunno. Maybe an orange dog? Give it big brown ears.

walthervonstolzing ,
@walthervonstolzing@lemmy.ml avatar

Also animate it at ~10fps, making it visibly sad when it can’t retrieve the files you ask for.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

Throw in a little whimsical wizard while you're at it.

ProgrammingSocks ,

Purple monkey or bust

delirious_owl ,
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I prefer a glowing red dot

cmnybo ,

Hell no! I absolutely do not want AI in anything if it’s not running entirely locally.

vhstape ,
@vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Sounds like a major security risk. All it takes is one “hallucination” (and an overly trusting engineer) from the latest and greatest bullshit generator to compromise an entire network

wizardbeard ,

Yeah. Sometimes a “barrier to entry” on running commands serves as an important forced pause to help prevent people from charging headfirst into dangerous options they don’t understand.

It’s something I often have to consider at work. It’s not too hard to script out ways to make it easier to do certain things, but is the trade off of making it easier to do accidentally or without understanding the full effects worse than the hassle of doing it the “hard way”?

Yes, let’s get a list of all machines in this network segment, then loop through sending shutdown commands so everything is ready for the hardware move!

What do you mean that the switch itself is in the list of machines? And that I just shut it off prematurely, so now we need to shut down everything locally… shit.

(Details fudged to protect the guilty)

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted ,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Don’t need it, don’t want it. They can fuck off with this nonsense.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Nice idea for fun and diversity (you can’t prohibit people to make such apps after all) but in daily usage? No, no, no and no

PoliticalCustard ,
@PoliticalCustard@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It might be helpful, I’m not going to rule out using it, but it’s all going to happen on my machine and I’m not paying for it or logging in anywhere to use it AND it’s going to talk cockney… “Oi oi, ya fuckin’ muppet, you missed a semi-colon. Ya useless fuckin’ nonce!”

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