For my needs I found that that flatpak just werks for anything not on the distros repos. And for the really obscure stuff I’ve used, I could just build from source
Having to build from source is exactly why I don’t think the AUR has a replacement. There are many similar package managers but non as extensive. Like NUR for NixOS.
The point is that you want management, easy ways to create images, backups, move container between hosts, orchestration, network management and sometimes not only container but also virtual machines. LXD does it all very well and if you don’t want those resources you might as well use systemd-nspawn.
They’ve taken over Proxmox. Not sure if you’re following but they have now a WebUI and the entire solution is magnitudes better than the crap Proxmox has been offering.
Oh, bullshit. The minimal interface that Ubuntu offers isn’t even a pimple on the Proxmox front end, and doesn’t touch the filesystem, clustering abilities and backup solution that’s the equivalent of Veeam IMO.
There you are, calling bullshit on my post while deleting your own where you clearly demonstrated close to no experience with LXD and its clustering capabilities. lol
The minimal interface that Ubuntu offers
Once again your ineptitude is palpable. Ubuntu doesn’t offer anything, the WebUI is a part of LXD.
And yes LXD’s WebUI released “yesterday” is objectively better than Proxmox and it does touch storage and clustering.
I haven’t been following, but that’s actually good to hear, proxmox needs a better ui.
LXD, I suppose for the migration, but for any more complex orchestration I think you’ve moving to k8s or something more serious, LXD just has an odd “not enough but too much” feature set for me, I like things either push-button, or let me do it, this is kind of both.
for any more complex orchestration I think you’ve moving to k8s or something more serious
I guess it depends in your use case. If you’re taking about “regular” applications LXD/LXC might not be your best fit. LXD/LXC seem to very good for the more low level infraestruture related solutions. In contrast, whatever is typically deployed with k8s that is mostly immutable very reproducible and kind of runs at a very high level.
LXD is more about what might power that “higher level” layer, more about mutable containers, virtual machines and very complex stacks that you can’t deploy with docker most of the time. As excepted people with those needs greatly leverage cloud-init and Ansible in order to get the reproducibility and the automated deployment capabilities that the Docker “crowd” usually likes.
I do that with lxd, but I have written ansible playbooks (almost like dockerfile? ) to automate the lxd containers. You could probably write some automation for scaling as well, but not something I’ve done, I have just opted for high availability with ceph & keepalived. Whatever works for your use case :) I do use some docker, but this is still nested inside lxd…
I also do playbooks to deploy stuff some stuff with LXD, but my end users only like Docker so, I kind of setup the infrastructure that allows them to deploy Docker on top of LXD containers that are deployed using Ansible.
Yep, I talked about this on Reddit a couple weeks ago. They started putting filters against Lemmy instances up almost as soon as people started talking about moving. They started with small instances, but now they’re moving on to the larger ones.
I had to use kek.gg just to share a link to my new community to the old subreddit.
Edit: Is this really a three-year-old thread or is something wrong? If it is, how did it end up at the top of my “hot” feed!?
Your sample rate is 55 people on lemmy. DistroWatch has more than tripple the amount of arch users hitting the page per day. There are about 5500 registered accounts on the official arch forum.
AUR is really not that great? Who moves to Arch for it? It’s been my main OS for I don’t even know how long but AUR has been my primary pain point. PKGBUILD is cool and useful useful. AUR however, is untrusted (or rather shouldn’t be trusted), often out of date, sometimes requires compilation, and doesn’t even have any good pacman wrappers since yaourt (that I’m aware of).
It is technically possible to install paru through Cargo which you can get just from pacman by installing rust and you can install pikaur through PIP. Both can mess with your systems packages though so I do not recommend it.
Yeah, AUR isn't great because it's engineered as a second class citizen given the necessity of third-party tools like yaourt, and that the whole process of installation can't be done directly through the first-party tool (pacman), such that updating the main packages can trivially cause third-party packages to suddenly stop working. ArchLinux offers just one way - their way - when it comes to dealing with software versions and if the user happens to depend on some thing they want to keep around, tough luck, and hope that future upgrades don't force a breakage that requires a recompilation which may no longer work.
That runs completely opposite to Gentoo, where the first-party repositories are defined the exact same way as third-party repositories, and that updates to first-party libraries generally don't immediately break existing binaries because the distribution was built with recompilation requirements from upgrade breakages in mind. Since third-party packages are treated no differently (no second class citizen treatment), their first-party tool (emerge) can manage the complete lifecycle of "third-party" packages in the exact same manner (as opposed to needing any third party tools to manage the build). This alone reduces the mental bandwidth for the end-users that are managing their set of required packages for their systems. All this flexibility is ultimately part of the various reasons that got me to switch from Arch back to Gentoo.
AUR however, is untrusted (or rather shouldn’t be trusted), often out of date
So basically like a PPA which are used by many users of Ubuntu. The only difference is that the PKBUILD files used to build the packages are easier to check than the final packages in a PPA. And that’s exactly what is a big advantage for me.
sometimes requires compilation,
This is often because a project does not offer ready-made packages that can be downloaded from Github, for example. There are also people who do not trust ready-made packages from unknown third parties. I wouldn’t necessarily download and execute a binary file from a Dropbox of a user I don’t know. Compiling is the safer way if the source code is downloaded from a more trustworthy source.
and doesn’t even have any good pacman wrappers since yaourt (that I’m aware of).
Personally, I don’t think aurutils, paru and yay are bad. I currently use aurutils myself. But as far as AUR helpers are concerned, everyone has their own preferences. That’s why there are so many ;-)
I’ve been on NixOS for about a week now and I can say I’ve got access to pretty much all of the packages I was using on Arch just from nixpkgs. I even found it quite easy to package stuff myself!
I am only using them and they seem very kino. I don’t do anything complex with them, but, I like that adding new repos is as simple as reponame.url = repourl and then you can use its stuff after adding it to your outputs
It really just comes down to the differences in goals and philosophies between each distribution. Some distros have large curated repositories containing most of everything a normal user would want to use. That’s what people expect from those distros, and people use them because they want that experience. Likewise, people don’t use arch just because it has the AUR. They want a more DIY experience, and arch provides that, with the AUR being an essential part of how it works.
You’re not going to get arch users to switch to ubuntu or whatever by duct-taping an AUR clone onto it. Furthermore, I believe trying to make one distro “to rule them all” that attempts to appeal to every niche would be not only a train wreck technically, but an abomination, antithetical to the principles of the OSS community as well.
The equivalent for Gentoo is the overlay system. gpo.zugaina.org (which is the best total package index) claims to list over 100000 ebuilds for 56000 different packages (some packages have multiple versions in-tree), and I know their database is not complete, since I contribute occasionally to an overlay that they don’t index. Oh, and that also doesn’t include things like perl library packages autogenerated by g-cpan.
Many distros have independent community generated package repositories though most aren’t on official infrastructure. Ubuntu has PPA which is close. I try and avoid AUR as much as I can. It is a potential attack surface and packages are sometimes poorly maintained and break. I like it for system stuff and I mostly review the PKGBUILD. It seems like a good way for software to find a path into the official repos. There was a lot of resistance from me initially but for most desktop applications flatpak has proven to be a better solution.
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