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Presi300 , in KDE Wayland for Gaming
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Wayland gaming is great, especially on KDE, you can go into display settings/compositor and switch from smoother animation to lower latency for a latency that’s even lower than X11, without any of the X11 issues.

aspensmonster , in Rocky wants to continue getting RHEL sources via public cloud instances and/or via UBI container images
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While I disagree with Red Hat’s decision to hinder source access, this move from Rocky (a commercial company!) seems even more disingenuous, imho.

Why on earth is it disingenuous? RedHat is openly stating its intent to violate the GPL. Rocky is telling them “good luck with that.” RedHat wants to be the only game in town providing service contracts. Rocky is saying “no thanks; we’re sticking around.”

gnumdk , in Is Systemd that bad afterall?
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Just try to implement user session management on a non systemd distro…

Systemd is way better than others init system. I’m using Alpine Linux on my phone and I really wait for a Fedora/Arch like PMOS project (it’s on the way)

jarfil ,

[pi@raspberry]# sudo su

Just saying, not everyone needs session management…

SneakyThunder ,

sudo su

Why spawn additional process when you can get into shell directly with sudo -s?

nyan ,

Well, sudo itself is a purely optional component—you can run a system quite happily with just su .

wgs ,
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What do you do with all the process you save with that trick ?

Zeus , in What's your opinion on Snap/Flatpak, and why?

pretty unpopular opinion i believe, but i loathe them. they feel like installing apps from the windows store, but worse. i use them on steam deck and my laptop, but they often fail to launch with no feedback[^1], won’t accept drag&dropped files, store their dotfiles in weird places, take up much more disc space (and therefore take literally almost 10x as long to download), won’t inherit the theme (i think because plasma stores the gtk theme in a non-standard place), etc. they feel like they’ve been designed to flout what os developers have built up over many decades and are just a struggle to use.

[^1]: on steam deck particularly (so i know it’s not a configuration i’ve screwed up) no flatpaks will launch unless i launch them twice. even after that, there’s a long delay (~1 minute) and then two instances launch. i know this sounds like i should just wait until the first one launches, but that doesn’t work

unwillingsomnambulist ,

The Flatpak theming issue is really annoying, yeah. There’s a rather limited pool of GTK themes to choose from in Flathub, but as long as you’re running one of those themes in your DE (assuming GNOME or other GTK-based), themes will inherit. Can’t speak to KDE as I haven’t used Plasma as primary.

Other than that, Flatpak has been great. I use it reasonably heavily on a laptop that’s slower than a Steam Deck (Ryzen 5 3500u, 8GB DDR4, 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus) and haven’t run into performance issues on multiple distros — EndeavourOS, Pop!_OS, LMDE, Fedora, an early version of Vanilla OS, and most recently Debian 12. On my desktop I don’t feel a performance difference between Flatpak and native.

semperverus ,
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The steam deck uses KDE, so the most popular Linux desktop device is going to be showcasing what flatpak is(n’t) capable of.

This is largely a problem thanks to the GNOME developers though, refusing to play nicely with anyone else and acting like their way is THE way.

usrtrv , in Laptop for linux noob

You can use about any laptop with Linux. I would say take a current laptop and boot into a distro using a live usb. This will let you try it without installing it. You do occasionally run into issues with some hardware: fingerprint, wifi, trackpad, etc. So this is a good test.

But otherwise if you want a laptop that guarantees Linux support: Framework, System76, Tuxedo

monobot , in Is Systemd that bad afterall?

Keep in mind that it all started 20 years ago with Pulseaudio. Pottering was not really a nice guy (on mailing lists ofc, I don’t know him personally) whose software I wanted on my machine.

Problem was never speed or even technical, problem was trust on original author and single-mindedness that they were promoting. Acting like it is the only way forward, so anyone believing in freedom part of free software was against it. Additionally, it was looking like tactics used by proprietary software companies to diminish competition.

It looked scary to some of us, and it still does, even worse is that other software started having it as hard dependency.

All of this looks like it was pushed from one place: Portering and RedHat.

While after 20 years I might have gotten a bit softer, you can imagine that 15 years ago some agresive and arogant guy who had quite a bad habbit of writing (IMHO) stupid opinions wanted to take over my init system… no, I will not let him, not for technical reasons but for principal.

I want solutions to come from community and nice people, even if they are inferior, I will not have pottering’s code on my machine so no systemd and no pulseaudio for me, thank you, and for me it is an important choice to have.

argv_minus_one ,

Keep in mind that it all started 20 years ago with Pulseaudio. Pottering was not really a nice guy (on mailing lists ofc, I don’t know him personally) whose software I wanted on my machine.

Poettering is like Torvalds: gruff when pressed, but not wrong.

PulseAudio is like systemd: dramatically better than what came before, and the subject of a great deal of criticism with no apparent basis in reality.

PulseAudio did expose a lot of ALSA driver bugs early on. That may be the reason for its bad rap. But it’s still quite undeserved.

Additionally, it was looking like tactics used by proprietary software companies to diminish competition.

This is a nonsensical argument. Systemd is FOSS. It can and will be forked if that becomes necessary.

Which, in light of recent changes at Red Hat, seems likely to happen soon…

Problem was never speed or even technical, problem was trust on original author and single-mindedness that they were promoting.

That’s because fragmentation among fundamental components like sound servers and process supervisors results in a compatibility nightmare. You really want to go back to the bad old days when video games had to support four different sound servers and the user had to select one with an environment variable? Good riddance to that.

I want solutions to come from community and nice people

Then you’d best pack your bags and move to something other than Linux, because Linus Torvalds is infamous for his scathing (albeit almost invariably correct) rants.

monobot ,

Poettering is like Torvalds

Lol, not even close. I am not talking about being harsh for writing stupid code. Nor I want to go 20 years back to proove it to some random person, do it yourself.

Systemd is FOSS. It can and will be forked if

Yeah, the same way chrome can be forked. No, software developed like that - in closed room just source being dropped on to community, what happened with PA and SD in the begging no one wants to touch. Gentoo had big problems just maintaing eudev and elogind to enable gnome and some other software to work.

Luckily, it is not important anymore, there is pipewire so I managed to skeep PA completely.

JoYo , in Is Systemd that bad afterall?
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It would be fine if it kept to system init rather than growing like a cancerous tumor.

wiki.gentoo.org/…/Hard_dependencies_on_systemd

lightrush , in Is Systemd that bad afterall?
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  1. Is the current SystemD rant derived from years ago (while they’ve improved a lot)?

No it’s almost always been derived from people’s behinds.

  1. Should Linux community rant about bigger problems such as Wayland related things not ready for current needs of normies?

Yes.

Systemd is spectacular in many ways. Every modern OS has a process management system that can handle dependencies, schedule, manage restarts via policy and a lot more. Systemd is pretty sophisticated on that front. I’ve been able to get it to manage countless services in many environments with great success and few lines of code.

nyan , in Is Systemd that bad afterall?

Speaking as someone who uses OpenRC on all my machines . . . no, systemd is not necessarily slow, and personally I don’t care about the speed of my init system anyway. Thing is, systemd also has nothing that makes it more useful to me than OpenRC, so I have no incentive to change. Plus, I dislike the philosophy behind it, the bloat, and the obnoxious behaviour the project showed when interacting with others in its early days. I’m a splitter, not a lumper, and systemd’s attempts to absorb All The Things strike me as rather . . . Windows-like.

So, in a technical sense I have no reason to believe that systemd is inferior to OpenRC + sysv, and it may be superior for some use cases which are not mine. I don’t spend a lot of time ranting about it, and I see no point in trying to convince people not to use it if it fits their needs. But I still won’t use it if I have another option.

chaorace ,
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I agree. SystemD is a great service daemon (or, sigh, unit daemon in the stupid parlance). I like unit file syntax and I like the ergonomics of systemctl. It’s solid and I appreciate the feeling of consistency that systemd lends to the otherwise chaotic landscape of Linux distrobutions.

It’s for this reason that I’m willing to forgive SystemD overstepping the boundaries of services somewhat. System init/mounting? Sure, that’s a blurry line after all. Logging? Okay – it does make sense to provide a single reliable solution if the alternative is dealing with dozens of different implementations. Network resolution & session management? Fine, I’ll begrudgingly accept that it’s convenient to be able to treat logins/networking as psuedo-services for the sake of dependencies.

If that’s as far as the scope crept, SystemD and I would be cool, but the so-called “component” list just keeps on going. SystemD has no business being a boot manager, nor a credential manager, nor a user manager, nor a container manager, nor an NTP client. I understand why they can’t deprecate most of this junk, but why can’t they just at least make this cruft optional to install?

Atemu ,
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Systemd (PID1) is not your boot manager, network deamon, resolver, user manager or ntp service.

Those are entirely independent deamons that happen to be developed under the systemd project umbrella but can be exchanged for equivalent components.
Tkey are gully optional.

In many cases, the systemd project’s one is one of the best choices though, especially when used with other systemd-developed components.
In some cases, there is no other viable choice because the systemd-* is just better and nobody wants to deal with something worse.

ikidd , in Is Systemd that bad afterall?
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As a guy that’s been installing Linux since you had to compile network drivers and adjust the init scripts to use them; SystemD rocks.

PlaidDragon , in Is Systemd that bad afterall?

A lot of the people I see complaining about it are comparing to what was before it.

As someone who has only ever known systemd, I have no issues with it and, dare I say: I like it.

2xsaiko , in Linux and AirPod Pros
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I’ve read this can depend a lot on the bluetooth card. Personally after replacing my cheapo dongle from like 2012 that probably just didn’t do a recent enough BT version I didn’t have any issues connecting to them.

What card do you have? Might be useful for anyone else who has the same issue.

this , in Red Hat, you're harming the entire Linux ecosystem.
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OK so I’m user Linux and currently using nobara(GE’s version of fedora). Should I be considering a distro hop in the near future?

namehere ,

Nope. None of this affects Fedora. Fedora is upstream from RHEL, meaning code from Fedora is contributed towards Redhat Enterprise Linux, and not the other way around

algounchained , in Linux and AirPod Pros

Got no issues with AirPods Pro and arch. Installed blueman and it’s dependencies and it connected just fine. Managed to configure pipewire to automatically switch between a2dp sink and hsp depending on the current usage.

TrontheTechie , in Linux and AirPod Pros

I haven’t had any problem on Garuda with my AirPods. I saw another guy say he had no problems with manjaro and arch. I didn’t know people were having problems on other distros or setups.

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