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apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

So the only reason they deleted it was because they were forced to, got it. Fucking Libertarians, the vanguard of fascism.

troed ,
@troed@fedia.io avatar

Well I mean murdering someone breaks the very definition of libertarianism so you can be very sure they're just using that moniker because it fits whatever they're really trying to accomplish.

the maximum freedom for each individual to follow his own ways, his own values, as long as he doesn't interfere with anybody else who's doing the same.

https://www.hoover.org/research/take-it-limits-milton-friedman-libertarianism

But you're absolutely right that a lot of people who are today clearly cheering for fascists used to call themselves libertarians.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I know what definitonal Libertarianism is, but like you said, their rank and file typically reduce that to mean Rules for Thee but Not for Me. And subsequently that typically falls to white males upholding their privileges.

empireOfLove2 , (edited )
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Modern “libertarianism” has been fully corrupted by both corporations (to mean “liberty from any and all government regulations”) and by the racist shithole fascists (to mean “my liberty to commit hate crimes and no liberty for everyone else”). It sucks because I mostly agree with the tagline, but people like Friedman are far too altruistic about how well corporations (and other individuals) can operate without some level of government oversight to keep them actually accountable to the individuals that libertarianism is supposed to uphold.

aesthelete , (edited )

they’re just using that moniker because it fits whatever they’re really trying to accomplish.

That’s what Libertarianism is. The same naming con also applies to the so-called Green Party. I don’t know why we are so easily fooled by names of things, especially when we live in a country full of scams where people constantly try to fool you like this. You’d think we’d develop a tolerance considering it’s a constant thing, but nope, we’re still just as stupid and naive as we were decades ago. If anything, we’ve gotten more naive.

Forester , (edited )
@Forester@yiffit.net avatar

There was a far right wing takeover about 10 years ago. The party’s mostly dead now. Conservative solid as a strong contender to grow into a replacement for the Republican party and swing the US political system back towards center. So they pumped massive amounts of funding into the ancap communities and have massively infiltrated the party with Russian propaganda and garbage above like the post.

Rhaedas ,

Free speech stops when it infringes someone else's rights. That's why threatening violence isn't covered. This should be obvious.

I also note that while the tweet was self-deleted, it's still out there now thanks to this tweet, and this post, and even my reply, much like telling a jury to disregard something that was objected to. They probably knew it too, the old post and delete method of getting people worked up and denying responsibility.

hannesh93 ,
@hannesh93@feddit.org avatar

Libertarianism also means EVERYONE is free to live their lives how they want - murdering someone is the very antithesis of liberalism

robotica ,

Liberalism or libertarianism?

hannesh93 ,
@hannesh93@feddit.org avatar

Libertarianism is just the extremest form of liberalism though?

robotica ,

Ah, could be, I’m too ignorant in this subject. Just pointed out the apparent inconsistency in your comment.

octopus_ink , (edited )

I hope what it also means is that the secret service (or would it be FBI) will be paying them a visit.

JusticeForPorygon ,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

Elon didn’t give a shit about the tweet, but he does care about the Secret Service

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This is the real answer. Musk has no limits, but a Presidential Candidate being threatened is taken very fucking seriously by the Secret Service.

JusticeForPorygon ,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

Unless you’re Donald Trump that is /s

Thebeardedsinglemalt , (edited )

Libertarians are just conservatives without the religion and/or who smoke weed. They hide behind the label because they agree with right-wingers but are too chicken-shit to admit it and can say “bUt I’m LiBeRtArIaN” when something heinous happens

auzy ,

Here in Australia, our libertarian party was the only political party to illegally keep advertising well past the election… Fuckers didn’t even clean up their own signs which they are legally required to

Baaahb , (edited )

Libertarian ideology at work. “Fuck you, I have money” or “I dont want poor gay or black people dying in the streets cause they are black or gay. I want them dying in the streets cause they’re poor.”

nl4real ,

What does this have to do with this shitposting?

HootinNHollerin ,

Nothing

9point6 , (edited )

> we don’t want to break the terms we agreed to

> it’s a shame that even on a “free speech”…

Can’t even stay ideologically consistent in the same post

Limonene ,

This is why there are so many libertarians who are not Libertarians.

KellysNokia , (edited )

Sir please keep your voice down, you are going to disturb the librarians

RattlerSix ,

Isn’t he just amplifying it?

st3ph3n ,

Domestic Terrorists.

DarkCloud ,

Wait, where is Leon Skum involved?

themeatbridge , (edited )

I’m not entirely sure, because I’ve never gotten the hang of Twitter. But reading between the lines, I think this is the sequence of events:

Libertarian twit tweets a death threat against Harris.

Libertarian twit is reminded of the rules (and common decency) and removes the offending tweet.

Libertarian twit passive aggressively tweets about having removed the tweet they twote, invoking the promises of free speech to imply that Leon was censoring their tweets and trampling on their freedoms.

Leon responds to the complaint with the tweet the twit twote, simultaneously demonstrating that the twit is a twat and amplifying the message.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Why are so many of those who claim that they’re libertarians not actually libertarians?

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