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electric_nan ,

I vibe with both anarchists (cool, helpful) and communists (smart, boring). Liberals drive me crazier everyday.

kofe ,

It depends for me. The labels aren’t really useful if I don’t know the person. One kid I interacted with over a few months said enough in line with fascism that I call him that. Someone just telling me they’re communist, anarchist, liberal isn’t enough to really get their actual beliefs, given how much overlap and misuse of the terms there is. I will generally vibe with a more left leaning person, of course, so if any of those labels are used I’m like, cool, we’ll probably have good conversations. Even conservatives I’m opening up to. Republicans? My God. I blame my mental illnesses on that brain rot.

KillingTimeItself ,

as a dbzer9 instance user myself, yeah pretty much.

finitebanjo ,

More like:

Westerner < Westerner

CCP Instigator

There is no real Liberal and Communist strife or violence. Only bad actors attempting to create political divisions in places they don’t belong.

InvertedParallax ,

Not just CCP, Russians too.

I’m sure our conservatives would join in if their grandkids would help them get their facesbook working on the TV again.

Kusimulkku ,

I enjoy it too but not for political reasons but just for the sake of drama

5714 ,

Ideologies on sale? I think I’ll grab one later. Can’t decide on money problems, queues or endless plenaries yet

Schmoo ,

As an anarchist this is me on a good day. I more often find myself in the middle getting shit on from both directions.

finitebanjo ,

Probably because there are more CCP pretending to be anarchists than actual anarchists on Lemmy.

Schmoo ,

Care to elaborate on that?

finitebanjo , (edited )

cArE TO eLABoRaTE oN That?

Sure, which part confuses you?

KillingTimeItself ,

the part where the CCP is pretending to be anarchists on the internet

finitebanjo , (edited )

They have the exact same goals and stances. They want the west to tear down it’s own institutions and demilitarize. Since Hexbear is failing to gain views these days, a slow shift towards anti-democracy sentiment on instances such as SLRPNK has been seen in it’s stead.

I admit I could just have a skewed perspective since I only ever seem to see the worst examples, like this one.

Schmoo ,

The problem I see here is that you perceive this as being anti-democracy when it really isn’t. Criticism of western democracy isn’t equivalent to a total rejection of democracy in general. Capitalism renders democracies ineffectual, which is what I perceived this meme to be pointing out.

blarth ,

Sad that you’re being downvoted for speaking the truth, but the reality is that they’r they’ve got stronghold all over Lemmy’s fediverse, and control the narrative through actions like downvoting your post below 0.

Schmoo ,

That’s some pretty wild conspiratorial thinking, do you actually have proof or just some anecdotes about people disagreeing with you?

blarth ,

You are one of them.

Schmoo ,

My paychecks from the CCP must be getting lost in the mail.

KillingTimeItself ,

idk if its the exact same goals. idk much about solarpunk aside from the fact that it’s techpunk futurist. Matched with primitive and simple living. theoreticalyl any style of government would work with it, but im guessing anarchy tends to pair with it nicely (i.e. little to no local government, but government on a state/federal level explicitly bound in its capabilities of power.

tankies or hexbear users im not really sure what their goal is, tankies love russia and china, so presumably they want more of that and less of the west, or just less of the west, i’m not really sure. western commies are usually what i call “pseudo commies” they want communism only because our western capitalism sucks and is bad. If they had capitalism but non shit they would like it equally as much.

Schmoo ,

I wish for once I could just have a civil conversation about my views without people immediately jumping down my throat and accusing me of being a CCP or Russian shill, or a dirty liberal, or a filthy communist. This is what I’m talking about when I say I just end up getting shit on from all sides. Every unsavory label in the book gets stuck to me before I even get a chance to clarify my views.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Do anarchists still exist anymore? I know it’s a fun name tag to wear, but I’m finding very few actual “practicing” anarchist organizations.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

YMMV depending on country. In the US you can find at least a handful of named anarchist organizations in any given state. Many anarchist or libertarian organizations keep it on the DL for a multitude of reasons. You may have better luck finding groups under the monikers of communalist, x or y federation, social ecologist, or just plain ole socialist. Mutual aid networks, food not bombs chapters, and IWW chapters are other spaces a lot of anarchists occupy. Many anarchists still stick to affinity groups and the like as well so, while they may be out there and active, it’s likely you’ll never hear about them. Further muddying the waters there’s also the concept of social insertion where anarchists support local movements and encourage (but don’t attempt to force) the popular movement to develop in a more libertarian fashion. Some big names in the libertarian milieu in the US are the symbiosis network and moneyless society. The black rose anarchist federation is another one I’ve seen around.

That said, it’s still hard to find other anarchists in a lot of areas. I’ve been on the hunt for a while and haven’t had any luck in my area. The closest I have is a food not bombs chapter in my city but they’re all a bunch of zionist soc-dems. 🤷 They do good work but I don’t want to be the only anarchist in the group haha. I’ll be handing out zines and fliers at the pride parade in a few weeks in the hopes of starting a reading group and hopefully an explicitly anarchist org in my city

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

food not bombs chapter in my city but they’re all a bunch of zionist soc-dems.

That’s news to me.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

I may have worded that weird. Just to be clear, food not bombs in general isn’t a social democrat org. The chapter in my town just so happens to be run by them. More often than not, you’ll find at least a handful of anarchists in the mix at a food not bombs group

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

That would make sense, all things considered. My Houston chapter is constantly butting heads with the police, because the city doesn’t want them distributing food to anyone in town.

Sasha , (edited )

We do! In my area there are quite a few of us and we operate a number of collectives providing things like:

  • Free meals
  • Free groceries
  • Bike repair workshops
  • Theory reading groups
  • Clothing
  • Social activities

Of course there’s also a lot of direct action going on for various causes.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Hell yeah, this is a principled anarchist.

beerclue ,

What is “theory reading”?

Sasha , (edited )

Having never done it as part of one such group, I don’t know exactly what goes on, but essentially there’s a large body of literature on leftist political concepts, covering the ideas of why anarchy rather than archy, how to practice it, how to organise etc. I’m definitely the wrong person to explain it, generally socialists (at least here) are the ones doing all the reading, I’m a lot more interested in praxis tbh.

Some classic anarchist writers include Kropotkin, Bakunin and Proudhon. But the communist and socialist literature often applies too.

The anarchist library has lots to browse and the anarchist faq is a great starting place despite its huge volume of content, I highly recommend casually browsing it.

tron OP ,
@tron@midwest.social avatar

Pleasently surprised to see Bakunins name dropped! Since there seems to be some misconceptions in this thread about what Anarchy actually is, I thought I’d share one of his quotes that has stuck with me through the years:

Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice; socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality

DragonTypeWyvern ,

The only problem with all the facts Bakunin spits is that sometimes he’ll follow it with “and that’s why we must exterminate the Jews.”

19th century Russians, man.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Like Bible study but with more books

DragonTypeWyvern ,

And based on observations of reality

If not always necessarily based on reality

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Leftist groups of all stripes have a long history, and with that history comes books, essays, and pamphlets on strategy, analysis, philosophy, and outlook.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

So many fucking essays

Crikeste ,

Depends on what you mean by anarchists. Average Americans think anarchism is lawless violence. It isn’t, and there are plenty of anarchists today.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

If you listen to David Graeber everyone is an anarchist

NaibofTabr ,

anarchist organizations

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Real Anarchism is when you just run around in a big circle waving your hands and shouting “This is Anarchy”

NaibofTabr ,

We should organize to disorganize.

shneancy ,

yeah those exist. Anarchists oppose hierarchies, not meet ups

KillingTimeItself ,

anarachist orgs are like a centralized lemmy instance.

Schmoo , (edited )

If you too want to get out of the liberal vs communist showdown and smoke weed on the side come to slrpnk.net where only our memes community has liberals and communists fighting in the comments.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Me just standing in the corner with my semi-syndicalist semi-reconciliationist model of parliamentary democracy based around a Multi-Seat District version of STAR Voting.

I’m not a regular at parties…

downpunxx ,

fuck anarchists, pieces of shit with no solution, no desire to work for a solution, only want to tear everything down no matter how many it hurts, oh and hate jews, that's always right up there at the top of what they think it important to rail against. pieces of shit antisemites, fuck em all.

juliebean ,

now there’s a shit post. maybe the shittiest i’ve seen all week. real detached from reality, good job!

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Tell me you’ve never read about anarchists without saying so.

Korne127 ,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

This comment shows that you have no idea about the ideology of anarchy

downpunxx ,

their actions over the last 50 years have spoken so loudly i couldn't hear what they were trying to say

HikingVet ,

Which actions were those?

felsiq ,

Damn everybody seems to be hating on this and idk shit about the history of anarchy to say if it’s valid, but I gotta add that this quote goes hard

roguetrick , (edited )

In the last 50 years the only significant anarchist movement was the zapatistas and the rojava. Neither they or your average anarchist activist are particularly fond of Israel’s domestic or foreign policies(though Kurdistan rebels do tend to be supported by Israel, it’s for regional political reasons) which to downpunxx means they’re antisemitic.

As a rule, anarchists deny “Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state” which is a common litmus test for “antisemitism”. Considering they deny the right of any state to exist though…

Glemek ,

They are paraphrasing ralph waldo emerson

Your actions speak so loudly, I can not hear what you are saying.

goodreads.com/…/486985-your-actions-speak-so-loud…

But based on their user name they might be getting it more from the bad religion song “I want to conquer the world”

genius.com/15382122

Arbiter ,

ok grandpa

GuyFi , (edited )

Dude I say this sincerely, acting as an apolitical person for this discussion-

What?

Upon further thought, my glaring lack of political literacy makes it sound like your talking about antisemitic accelerationists?

PhlubbaDubba ,

< Zionist who thinks not being ok with genocide makes you an antisemite

roguetrick , (edited )

Ladies and gentlemen: downpunxx

Easy fix though, he’s ban evading since his kbin account was already permabanned once (I believe both from this community and .world itself) for this exact shit.

Letstakealook ,

That makes sense, I have them tagged as a fascist, though I don’t remember what they said to earn it atm.

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, you’re all getting techno-feudalism.

Bakkoda ,

I want to argue but… I’m currently arguing with a company that won’t cancel a fraudulent order despite me having every single piece of information needed to do so. So they will get a chargeback after my card is replaced. Really trying to help them but they want that money lol

TokenBoomer ,

And then they’ll try to charge you to send it back even though it’s their fault.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Something something that’s not the definition of a political anarchist.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Nihiled it.

KillingTimeItself ,

average political nihilist experience

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

When I was an edgy teen, I claimed to be an anarchist because chaos was cool.

As an adult I discovered my political ideaologies literally are anarchistic.

Maeve ,

Mfw, right? I remember being a young adult, asking my parent what the Seattle riots were about, and they said, "they're crazy." When the Internet was invented and I got around to looking it up, I thought, "those people are the sanest people in the country."

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

https://media.tenor.com/QzW2TL5KIVUAAAAM/brown-chewing.gif

hungryphrog ,

Ew, eat with your mouth closed!

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