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Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

It’s quite literally the medical term… i… I am an obese man, I am an obese man mostly of my own doing, their might be some psychological or socioeconomic reasons, but it’s mostly the fact that food is good, exercise sucks, and impulse control. I wasn’t born this way, I wasn’t treated as nonhuman for something beyond my control, and obese is not used for the sole purpose of being derogatory.

Those two words are very, very different. Even if you are obese because of a thyroid, or injury, or whatever, a doctor can, and will call you obese in your medical reports. And if you can’t handle that because you can’t handle that slight uncomfortability, no wonder you are still obese.

Liz ,

I’ve been bedbound for five years. I have managed to stay a healthy weight by harassing my mother every time she buys unhealthy food. I ain’t got that kind of self-control!

wolfpack86 ,

Apparently you do?

Lemminary ,

Yeah, it’s a sterile medical term that unfortunately takes on other meanings that people dislike. For example, I had a friend who went off the deep end and started claiming that obesity was made up by doctors and began trying to convince me to think likewise. It was kind of eerie to see this otherwise rational person fall for this type of denial over something that made them uncomfortable.

It doesn’t help that some doctors were shitty to him about his weight (a fair and very real complaint) so he insisted it was a systematic problem within the medical establishment to oppress. I don’t doubt it happens but it’s a bit extreme to think it’s solely used to that end and that it’s not a handy label for managing weight and conducting research.

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

I do agree that if you are obese and have unrelated medical issues the doctors will very much say “you need to lose weight”, and call it done. And that is x10 if you are a woman, for some reason. Yeah, these problems may not be so bad if I was not obese, and they may not have existed is I wasn’t (bulging disks my back, in my case etc.), but the truth is, I am fat, I still need my problems fixed, go ahead and do the surgery to trim the disk that is pinching my nerves to fix my back because otherwise I can’t move and I will just get fatter and my back will just get worse. Perpetually.

It is just laziness and they have a blanket scapegoat to use to get out of doing their job if you walk in and are overweight.

zippythezigzag ,

I thought it was"fat". It almost seems like she’d be mad at any term that describes her as she is, like as if she is ashamed to be something thats completely within her control not to be.

Fiivemacs ,

Bingo…you won yourself a hamburger. Not from mcshits though, they want to be a luxury food so no one but the Uber elite should spend money there going forward. Plus their salt patties are nasty

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

If you can write one word but not the other, it’s the other that’s worse.

That being said, fat people do face systemic issues which are often intersectional with race, class, gender, etc., but this is a shitpost, so don’t think too hard about it.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Oh my god. Get off the cross, we need the wood. Also you’re causing stress fractures.

solsangraal ,

all medical terms get turned into hateful insults–moron, idiot, imbecile, r*tarded which is approaching but will never achieve n-word status-- all used to be actual medical diagnoses. “obese” will go the same route and be replaced by something else, which will also eventually become derogatory and be replaced

funny how “shit”, “piss”, “fuck”, “cunt”, “cocksucker”, “motherfucker”, and “tits” are almost everyday words now

Asafum ,

funny how “shit”, “piss”, “fuck”, “cunt”, “cocksucker”, “motherfucker”, and “tits” are almost everyday words now

So much so that there’s a song about it!

solsangraal ,

STEP ONE, INSTEAD OF ASS, SAY BUNS

ReplicantBatty ,

LIKE ‘KISS MY BUNS’ OR ‘YOU’RE A BUNS-HOLE’

Cadeillac ,
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Buns-hole gets me every time

Cadeillac ,
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Singing Family Reunion at their concert is a memory I will never let go

ReluctantMuskrat ,

I wonder if those prior medical terms had precise definitions. Obese is BMI >= 30 and morbidly obese is >= 40. BMI itself has some issues but works ok as a general assessment for most people.

Fleppensteijn ,
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funny how “shit”, “piss”, “fuck”, “cunt”, “cocksucker”, “motherfucker”, and “tits” are almost everyday words now

Now? These are mostly very old English words with a long history, unlike those previously mentioned recent Romance loans because English speakers think they sound fancier.

Persen ,

And now apparently autism. Why us? Autism doesn’t cause you to be useless or stupid, most of us aren’t recognised in public and a high percentage isn’t even diagnosed, there is no reason to shit on us.

BackOnMyBS ,
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We’re taking it back at !autismplace

lone_faerie ,

The reason is bigotry. If you really want to get into it, a big reason for the stigma against autism is the damage done by Autism Speaks.

Floshie ,

Nobese then ?

takeda ,

Obese is a medical term though and Dr … PhD should know that.

AWTM_James ,

Not necessarily, a PhD isn’t a medical degree

teegus ,

Sooo you’re saying it’s understandable for someone with a PhD to not have basic common knowledge?

AWTM_James ,

I mean, sure. As someone who recently went back to school and is around a bunch of PhD and PhD students, they’re really, really smart… about their specific area of study. But more than some of them are fucking stupid when it comes to other, normal things

Tar_alcaran ,

I’ve got one, and there are many many thing I’m an idiot on

Wogi ,

Ok I looked her up, I had to know.

She’s a “fat-affirming” dietitian and her PhD is in “body positive medicine”

Her name is a blatant pun.

I don’t think I’m reaching when I say not only is the account fake, this person doesn’t exist, but that it was made to make fun of fat people.

QuantumSparkles ,

Hello yes my name is Dr. PhD I have many college and come to bringun you the health. stat.

AWTM_James ,

Also, I don’t agree with the OP and think it’s fucking dumb, but let’s not forget that “retard” used to be a medical term as well

Benjaben ,

That’s the way these things have always gone and probably always will. Retarded, imbecile, idiot, these were all effectively clinical terms (or whatever best approximated clinical practice in their eras) - they didn’t hold an insulting intention initially. People co-opted the terms to make fun of each other, as we do, and so professionals had to shift the clinical vocabulary so they weren’t using commonly hurled insults when discussing patients. And that means new words people can use to make fun of each other, yay! Which of course they did, necessitating another rotation. Pretty hilarious if you ask me.

The most recent example in my own life - my wife is in her mid 30s, and is pregnant - some medical professionals call this a “geriatric pregnancy”! But because some folks are getting offended by that term, they’re starting to use “advanced maternal age pregnancy”. Bit of a mouthful, I think they’ll get to keep that one.

Anyway. Carlin had a great bit on this phenomena, he’s the one who pointed it out to me.

usualsuspect191 ,

I’ve heard this called the “euphemism treadmill”

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

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    elephantium ,
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    Why does that upset/startle you? Pregnancy at age 35+ is associated with more risks than pregnancy in the 20s.

    Seleni ,

    It is, though—women having children later in life are at higher risk for complications for both themselves and the baby. It also has a higher risk of birth defects.

    RegalPotoo ,
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    As was “negro” - and that’s kinda the point; just because a word is “official” doesn’t make it not discriminatory, just that the discrimination was backed by the power of institutions.

    I don’t 100% buy the argument that the two words are equivalent, but I can see how “oh you can’t come here you are obese” could feel similarly arbitrary as “oh you can’t come here you are black”

    ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

    As were “idiot”, “moron” and “imbecile”, largely used to describe the same or similar conditions but somehow considered OK today for general use.

    thesporkeffect ,

    As always - if you’re saying a word is comparable to the n-word, and you are able to use your word in public as a non-black person, it’s not like the n-word

    TheEntity ,

    Frankly that’s something I do not understand. Why this single specific word? We have dozens of terrible offensive words. Why this specific one is considered so bad we cannot even talk about it directly, even when merely discussing it? I would think discussing it and not directing it at someone would be pretty reasonable. As with every single other word.

    JoeBigelow ,
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    Is one of the other words associated with 200 years of chattel slavery?

    PlantDadManGuy ,

    Negro is pretty gosh darn close, but I guess it’s just not quite as derogatory.

    TheEntity ,

    To my non-American ears “negro” sounds far worse actually. Probably because of how rare it is in comparison.

    BackOnMyBS ,
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    To my Hispanic ears, “n—o” sounds like an Anglophone saying “black”. Even when used derogatorily, my immediate first thought is that they pronounced it incorrectly, then the rest of the associated matters kick in and I realize what they are really saying.

    Imagine if in the Hispanosphere , the word “black” was almost synonymous with the n-word.

    But yeah, don’t use n—o in English to refer to or describe anyone.

    bdonvr ,

    It was used in place of black for a longer period, and wasn’t necessarily considered a slur in and of itself. But of course if you say it with a sneer, even “black” can be used as an insult.

    For example a lot of books (even written by people of color) used “negro” and “coloured” etc. interchangeably up to the mid-late 20th century. But in modern context very few people use it in a manner that isn’t derogatory.

    MutilationWave ,

    How about when people they don’t think they’re racist whisper it? I hate and love that.

    Lemminary ,

    It’s weird being told that a regular color in your native language could get you beat up to a pulp in another country.

    TheEntity ,

    Probably no, not in this specific form, that being said I don’t want to compare one tragedy to another. There are lots of disgusting parts of the human history, and that’s certainly one of them.

    JoeBigelow ,
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    The only equivalent I can think of starts with k and is a slur for Jewish people, and it’s much less commonly heard.

    BackOnMyBS ,
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    What about something related to the indigenous peoples of the Americas?

    Nutteman ,
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    We killed them and displaced the rest so damn fast that we forgot all the major slurs for them

    ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

    Ironically enough, that word was coined by Jewish people who had been in the US for generations to describe newly-arrived Jews from Eastern Europe. Still offensive but somewhat different from the n-word.

    Liz ,

    The OJ Simpson trial. No joke.

    Tower ,

    https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/0cbaf839-960d-4344-9ffa-3795ae77bef9.png

    thesporkeffect ,

    I couldn’t remember where the quote came from, thank you, I tried to search for it but it was surprisingly difficult

    Otkaz ,

    Wasn’t really all that long ago when non-black people very commonly used that word in public and probably still so in certain communities. Having said that, obese is a medical term and I don’t think it compares in anyway to the n-word.

    BigBananaDealer ,
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    it changed with the OJ trial

    Lemminary ,

    Wait, for real? Sauce?

    MutilationWave ,

    Definitely did not. I grew up in West Virginia and idiot rednecks used it before and after the OJ trial. Decent people did not before or after.

    I mean like way before they did, but they weren’t decent then.

    BigBananaDealer ,
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    i thought it was meaning in media, like the news and other stuff. not everyday life

    TheV2 , (edited )

    She, as an obese person herself, proposed that “obese” is equivalent to the n-word. She didn’t censor her word the same way a black person doesn’t have to censor the n-word. That’s not a contradiction. It would be, if she wasn’t obese.

    Not that I care about the actual point, just wanted to talk about the logic. My bad, if my assumption that she is obese, is wrong.

    unreachable ,
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    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b1eaeb8d-ee71-43a6-9821-e2fefe395d3c.gif

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e1d8124a-74b4-4f3b-bf27-85803840d1de.gif

    kamenlady ,
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    Her tongue also moves, omg

    Cadeillac ,
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    If you hadn’t said anything I’d still be thinking this was a still image. Thanks for ruining my day

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