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Didz ,
@Didz@lemmy.world avatar

Vivaldi is nice.

SmoothSurfer ,

Maybe you should check out the privacy policy and try to better understand foss philosophy

void_wanderer ,

Maybe enlighten us?

loudWaterEnjoyer ,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Browser privacy policy: the story

It’s Spring 2018. The GDPR is about to kick in. Global companies are bending over backwards fixing their privacy policies. It’s tough. For the sake of their users in Europe, they have to come out clean with how they handle user data. And not only. They have to do it in a language that is simple to understand. It’s a gargantuan task. People are working overtime with the deadline looming ever so close. Enter Vivaldi HQ. It’s quiet. Everything is business-as-usual. A few days before the GDPR deadline, we take a quick look at how we handle user data and fit it all on one page. Much as we want to come up with an impressive document (and look busy), there’s not much to say. We don’t track or profile you. We don’t do data collection. We don’t sell your data to third parties. We don’t get to see the sites you visit, what you type in the browser, or your downloads. This type of data is either stored locally on your machine, or encrypted. Still, we encourage you to read our privacy policy. You should read privacy policies as a rule. You should make it a habit. So go on, take a look. Did we mention that we fit it all on one page?

Vivaldi Browser privacy policy

At Vivaldi Technologies AS (“Vivaldi AS”), protecting your privacy is a top priority. We strictly protect the security of any and all personal information you provide to us while using Vivaldi products and services. We do not share or sell information to any third party and we proactively protect all user data from disclosure, with the only exception being if requested by legitimate law agencies with a court order. Type and purpose of data collected by Vivaldi AS

When you install Vivaldi browser (“Vivaldi”), each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message. We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP address from your Vivaldi client then we store the resolved approximate location after using a local geoip lookup. The purpose of this collection is to determine the total number of active users and their geographical distribution.

Vivaldi includes various links to websites in the browser default bookmarks. Some of those websites are partners of Vivaldi AS and some are not. Vivaldi AS receives shared revenue from those bookmark partners. That’s how we are able to provide this software free of charge to our users and continue to stay awesome! We work to only include bookmarks that are valuable to our users regardless of whether we receive any revenue or not. Some of these content providers set cookies on their websites (as mentioned below). You are, of course, free to remove any or all of the bookmarks, if you prefer.

Your browsing history such as visited URLs, typed search keywords and downloaded content are stored in your client profile and only accessible by your own action. Vivaldi AS has no access to this data. Your history cannot be shared unless it is by your own action.

Vivaldi features a built-in password manager, which stores your login credentials for sites where you’ve enabled this feature by selecting to store your credentials in Vivaldi’s password manager. Vivaldi uses password storage frameworks provided by the operating system on your computer device and your data is encrypted if encryption is supported by the framework.

If you use Vivaldi Sync feature, the documentation about the data we collect and for what purposes for this service is available here.

Type and purpose of data collected by third party vendors

When you turn on Search suggestions in your Settings (Settings > Search), Vivaldi will send a request to the chosen search engine with the typed keyword in order to display search results. Privacy policies for individual supported search engines can be found here.

On desktop and Android, Vivaldi integrates the Safe browsing API from Google, which checks the site you are visiting against a master list of known suspected phishing and malware sites. On desktop, this feature can be turned off in the Privacy settings (Settings > Privacy > Privacy).

We use Google’s form autofill feature that helps you fill out forms on the web more quickly. Autofill is enabled by default and in the desktop browser, it can be turned off at any time in Vivaldi’s settings. This feature does not send your personal information to Google. Detailed information of what is shared can be found here.

Many websites use cookies to identify repeat visitors and store information about their site visitors. Vivaldi stores cookies based on the user’s privacy settings (Setting > Privacy > Cookies) but how the cookie is used is determined by the website you are visiting and types of cookies. Therefore it is important that you understand the privacy policy of the websites you are visiting. You can view, manage and remove all stored cookies in your privacy settings.

In case you set up Vivaldi Mail or Calendar to access your Gmail or Google Calendar, Vivaldi’s use of information received from Google APIs will adhere to the Google API Services User Data Policy, including the Limited Use Requirements.

Last modified and effective: May 9, 2023.

BallsInTheShredder ,

It’s beautiful

loudWaterEnjoyer ,
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Username checks out

BallsInTheShredder ,

Do love Firefox though, but opera is stiff competition right now and has features I can’t find on Firefox.

Stuff like the built in VPN, I don’t pay for one currently and Opera’s free built in one really helps.

Also it’s very friendly with syncing between devices.

Opera GX is actually badass too, it’s super fast and there are so many cool mods that allow me to add background music, key press noises, themes from my favorite shows etc. Reminds me of the old days of windows themes and I’d missed it the sound effects and key presses are actually very satisfying.

But they’re horrible with privacy which is sad bc I thought they used to be good.

Sad that Firefox can’t do just some of that bc with just a few additions it would easily be the best browser imo.

neutron ,

It’s a nice browser, but also uses chromium as base.

Didz ,
@Didz@lemmy.world avatar

Pale Moon then.

Reverendender ,

For privacy on iOS what is really the best one?

rndm ,

It doesn’t really matter, Apple doesn’t allow any third party web-engines, so no matter which browser you are using, you basically get the same privacy standards as safari

SmoothSurfer ,

Even though Apple is not sharing personal data with third parties, relatively recently they started to use personal data in order to use them on advertisement of their own services. And considering the entire Apple ecosystem(if you are using all devices of course) it is a bit concerning they are using all of those data.

dumbyoyo ,

Ya anybody that believes apple is privacy friendly is just listening to their advertising campaigns. The NSA leaks from Snowden revealed they're part of NSA's PRISM.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/7/17/4517480/nsa-spying-prism-surveillance-cheat-sheet

SmoothSurfer ,

I dont have an evidence but when it comes to nsa, I think any company that holds your information is willing to/have to share the collected data

Reverendender ,

Shocked Pikachu face

BallsInTheShredder ,

They still don’t? Wow, thought they would have loosened the strings a little at some point.

So apple products are basically still in their own little self contained ecosystem over there?

glacier ,
@glacier@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Safari with Adguard adblocker.

confusedbytheBasics ,

Apple gives you one choice. I hope you like it.

Im28xwa ,

I was looking for the best all-rounder for Android and Windows and after watching some videos and checking privacytests.org I landed on Brave

TheInsane42 ,
@TheInsane42@lemmy.world avatar

Now I’m getting curious about the vivaldi browser. It’s chromium based (apart from firefox, what isn’t) but seems pretty security/privacy aware.

theshatterstone54 ,

It’s not fully open source, but it’s so good, it’s full of features, incredibly customisable, it really is a power user browser.

glacier ,
@glacier@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It overheats my MacBook and runs like shit on my windows desktop. and frankly too many features for me that I would never use.

TheInsane42 ,
@TheInsane42@lemmy.world avatar

Biggest advantage it has over FF is the dark mode option you have to overrule even websites and make them dark. FF has dark reader plugin, but that is a pale replacement for vivaldi’s built-in experimental code.

alsaaas ,
@alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

it’s proprietary and thus not viable for any privacy conscious person. (assuming they know to trust as few third parties as possible)

CriticalMiss ,

Ungoogled Chromium exists but it just feels 1/10 of what Firefox is capable of doing.

HiddenLayer5 ,

There is also UnMozilla’d Firefox for even more privacy!

SmoothSurfer ,

You mean like icecat, librefox or using user.js

KSPAtlas ,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

Is Fennec on Android like that? Still developed by Mozilla, but has all branding, telemetry and firefox-account stuff removed (even comes with duckduckgo as default search engine)

HiddenLayer5 , (edited )

I think Fennec F-Droid is a straight re-compile of the official Android app with binary blobs removed. So technically it is the actual open source version. Firefox telemetry is open source (at least on the client side) so wasn’t in the scope of that, but there are certainly variants that remove that as well.

KSPAtlas ,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

Good to know

gaybear ,

Last time I tried Ungoogled Chromium, it was a pain in the ass to install add-ons, that might have changed but back then I had to download and install extensions by hand, I don’t know if it’s still the same process nowadays.

user224 ,

Lynx

Stan ,
@Stan@lemmywinks.com avatar

wget

iusearchbtw ,

I compiled wget from source

confusedbytheBasics ,

But did you compile your compiler from source? And did you compile the compiler you compiled the compiler with from source?

iusearchbtw ,

Yes

confusedbytheBasics ,

I seriously doubt that. Are you running a fully self compiled GNU Guix install or something?

iusearchbtw ,

Went there - LFS is also very nice :)

confusedbytheBasics ,

Does LFS have stage0 hex0 instructions now? How long did that take?

schmensch ,

Carrier Pigeons

dustojnikhummer ,

It unironically has to be Chromium

OrnateLuna ,

But like why?

dustojnikhummer ,

PWAs, UI, general performance (I don’t care "it’s not the fault of the browser), dislike of Mozilla

And a small fuck you to other bots here.

Pawan123 ,
@Pawan123@lemmy.world avatar

Firefox’s supremacy 😆

only0218 ,

I see furryfox, I vote up.

GenBlob ,
@GenBlob@lemmy.world avatar

I use firefox for obvious privacy reasons but also because I can customize the UI. Chromium’s interface is oversized, ugly, and locked down while on firefox I can change any aspect of it using my own CSS.

Karyoplasma ,

I initially read your comment as “I use firefox for obvious piracy reasons” and thought “yeah, that’s fair”.

SuperSpruce ,

How are you doing this? Firefox’s stock UI is even more oversize than Chrome’s and they are actively removing customization options to the UI.

Clbull ,

I think a lot of people turned away from Firefox after that Mr Robot promotional ‘stunt’ they pulled.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot ,

What stunt?

AssPennies ,

Here you go.

Mozilla thought it would be cool to install a Mr Robot addon as a paid stunt, didn’t go over well.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot ,

Typical Mozilla trying to push things nobody wants (e.g. Pocket)

JargonWagon ,

I’m out of the loop on this one. What happened in Mr. Robot?

18_24_61_b_17_17_4 ,
@18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world avatar

Wondering this as well.

Stan ,
@Stan@lemmywinks.com avatar

Didn’t they have some anti-gay-marriage CEO for a while?

_donnadie_ ,
@_donnadie_@feddit.cl avatar

Yeah, they had. Now he’s the one that works on Brave afaik.

Skkorm ,

Firefox rules, people need to smarten up. Hell, Firefox on Android has an Adblock extension. Firefox is what’s up.

sky ,

The issue for me with Firefox on Android is it would sometimes refuse to load pages when switching back after being suspended from the background and I have no clue why. I’d have to open a new tab and copy the URL to force it to load and it was so frustrating.

I use Brave now (with the promotional stuff off, even though I still don’t fully trust them), since it seems to be the only other ad-blocking browser on Android that’s even decently easy to use. However, I still use Firefox on Windows with tree style tabs and raindrop.io to sync bookmarks, both of which are god tier productivity tools.

minikieff ,

I get this issue every now and then with Chrome.

HRDS_654 ,

It’s also as fast, if not faster, than Chrome now.

ahriboy ,

Is Firefox for Android getting faster as expected? Last time, it seems very slow. I might switch back from Vivaldi if tests seem very well.

dditty , (edited )

I recently switched to Firefox Nightly on Android and haven’t noticed it being any slower than the previous chromium browser I was using. I did opt to forgo the Dark Reader add-on for it though since that was slowing down webpage rendering a bit.

Naz ,

I recently switched from Opera to Firefox.

I was getting 59 FPS average in Opera, full bore 165 FPS / Hz in Firefox.

I didn’t -want- to switch but it’s objectively faster, especially on Linux.

eatsnutellawivaspoon ,

There’s a work around for Firefox nightly that allows installation of any add-on too, eg sponsor block.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

The fact that it needs a workaround is still bullshit.

Delusion6903 ,

No work around is needed. You can install a very limited number of extensions on Firefox mobile and they are the ones you want the most. This includes uBlock Origen.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

hey are the ones **you **want the most

You don’t know which extensions I want most. I want:

  • uBlock Origin ✅
  • Consent-o-Matic ❌ - but the sort of thing they might eventually add to the blessed list with enough begging
  • Bypass Paywalls ⛔ - Mozilla will never recommend this or even distribute it on its addons site

3-4 years ago, I could install any extension I wanted. I reject their stated reasons for barring me from doing so (security, stability - those are on me once I start installing unsupported add-ons) and use Kiwi Browser instead.

Thulcander ,

does android firefox have a desktop mode for tablets / dex?

Faceman2K23 ,
@Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Netscape Navigator?

refurbishedrefurbisher ,

Which got forked to become Firefox

Faceman2K23 ,
@Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Netscape was itself a development from Mosaic, which also spun off into what became internet explorer.

so firefox and Internet Explorer (up to around ie6 at least) are kinda weird cousins.

Stan ,
@Stan@lemmywinks.com avatar

This sounds wrong. Wasn’t there some big lawsuit between Microsoft and Netscape?

This whole thing about MS claiming they couldn’t decouple their web browser from their operating system?

donnnnnnb ,

Checkout the SeaMonkey project. Uses Firefox’s engine but looks and feels just like the Netscape/Mozilla suite.

darcy ,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

websites not supporting firefox is the site’s fault, not the browser’s. firefox is not some niche browser. almost every website i have used is fine on firefox, and when it rarely doesnt work (usually bc i have a configured librewolf), i just open brave or whatever.

soviettaters ,

I just use chrome when it doesn’t work since it’s such a rare occurrence. There is no reason for me to use chrome on a daily basis.

atyaz ,

Not everyone has this luxury, but I just close the website and never use it. So far, I haven’t run into anything major that doesn’t work with firefox, so this strategy has been working for me so far.

b3nsn0w ,
@b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

i’d recommend using edge there instead of chrome, because it’s the same browser and google is legitimately less trustworthy than microsoft at this point. neither of these companies are the same that they were in the early 2000s, for better or worse

magiccupcake ,

I occasionally switch to chrome as a troubleshooting step when a website doesnt work, and it rarely is firefox the problem.

vreraan ,

After the quantum update i switched to firefox, as now in performance it is almost on par with chrome or sometimes better.

schrodingers_dinger ,

I remember I switched to chrome way back when chrome was first becoming popular because of its speed compared to Firefox in like 2010 or something. Firefox caught up within a year and I have never missed Chrome for a second.

sheilzy ,

Oh, I was similar. When Chrome was new I liked it, but it seems to be vulnerable to get these weird superfluous add-ons that I may have acquired through malicious links. When I switched to Firefox I wasn’t as suseptible to malware, and the speed was just as good.

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