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vreraan ,

After the quantum update i switched to firefox, as now in performance it is almost on par with chrome or sometimes better.

schrodingers_dinger ,

I remember I switched to chrome way back when chrome was first becoming popular because of its speed compared to Firefox in like 2010 or something. Firefox caught up within a year and I have never missed Chrome for a second.

sheilzy ,

Oh, I was similar. When Chrome was new I liked it, but it seems to be vulnerable to get these weird superfluous add-ons that I may have acquired through malicious links. When I switched to Firefox I wasn’t as suseptible to malware, and the speed was just as good.

cley_faye ,

I’ll keep avoiding firefox as long as they keep pushing weird decision with each update, the latest one being forcing “pocket recommendation” on the new tab page, even if the built-in (that is, you can’t remove it) pocket extension is disabled. Sure, I can go look for the new advanced parameter to disable every time, but why pull this shit in the first place.

lauha ,

What are those? I have never seen pocket recommendation.

dudewitbow ,

Cant you say that about chrome pushing weird decisions like manifest v3.

cley_faye ,

You can, but there’s a big difference : the average user (=the vast majority of people) will not see the difference. In some tech circles, or if you’re actively looking for it, you’ll know that it happens, and what it might (or might not) do, but 90% of people will not see a change. User interface remain the same, features remains the same, and extensions that could adapt will already have done so.

Firefox choices, for better or for worse, are very visible. The pocket extension was bundled in it, making it so that everyone have it show up one day. It being named after a (formerly) third-party service is not a good look. Then the new-tab page suggestions, which I can only see as an intrusive way to push content onto me (something I actively try to avoid, the samy way many “social network” keep pushing what their algorithms think is good for you). Add to that some decisions about actively ignoring user settings (and page content) about PDF handling, subsequently breaking tons of SPA because “they know better” (there was a long discussion, and the change was half-reverted once big enough sites showed issues).

The list could go on, ranging from “interesting” UI choices to bundling more and more advertisement for their own service, only to backpedal later with “oh, we didn’t think it would annoy people to do the exact thing you’re running from other browsers for”.

Chrome changes might be insidious, but they have limited impact to the actual users. Mozilla keeps changing Firefox in very glaring ways and not always with a sound reasons, user-wise. One could argue that these changes are all minor, but they do act as a deterrent for people that really can’t handle changes (remember, for most people changing the icon on a button is enough to make a feature “disappear” for them).

dudewitbow ,

I’d argue crippling what ublock origin is caple of doing is very crippling to the end user experience. Accepting a cippled ublock is similar to accepting the change when adblock plus white listed some ads.

cley_faye ,

Again, factor in the number of people knowingly using ublock, and actively looking into what changed vs. what still works fine for now. Manifest v3 have no reach beyond techies, and as such is “accepted” by default. Remember that most people are totally fine with these changes because the larger picture is not shown to them.

Willer ,

Chromium is OSS so it is fine.

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev avatar

If I wrote some malware and published it to GitHub, would that make it safe?

Designate6361 ,

Brave is on of the few Chrome based browsers that security types will back. but still has its own issues.

outdated_belated ,

C r y p t o

Tbh seems good enough for me, when I turn that stuff off

deepinder_brar ,

What about brave ???

Photographer ,

I heard bad things specifically about brave recently, can’t recall the details

ProfezzorDarke ,

They sold copyrighted material to develop AI

Melco ,

There is no privacy on chromium, it phones home to Google a lot and those communications are encrypted so you will never really know what data is being sent but assume Google can link everything you do in Chromium to you.

Users who think they are “ungoogling chromium” are fooling themselves.

All the commercial browser reeleases like Mullvad browser, Brave or duckduckgo browsers are just window dressing.

Firefox or its children really are the only option.

anonymouslemmy ,

Mullvad Browser sue Firefox as base not Chromium

dustedhands ,

Specifically speaking it branches off tor browser bundle which itself is modified firefox-esr.

aranym ,

Ungoogled Chromium doesn’t send data to Google servers, if that’s what you are implying it is misinformation.

Also, Chromium is open source - you can very easily know what is being sent. I appreciate privacy awareness, but not baseless fearmongering.

beefcat ,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

I hate Google and Chromium’s dominance on the browser market as much as the next person, but this is straight up false information.

Chromium itself is open source, it is 100% possible to make forks that remove all Google telemetry, and such forks do exist.

ahriboy ,

Mullvad is based on Tor Browser.

theshatterstone54 ,

Correction: Mullvad is based on Firefox, and Tor is also based on Firefox.

Rubezahl ,

Is Brave ok?

CrypticFawn ,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No, it’s a Chromium based browswer.

The swap from Brave to FF is very easy btw. I did several months ago.

SmellyHamWallet ,

I committed to opera a long time ago and now I’m too many saved passwords deep on shit websites I’ve not visited in 4 years to make the change.

Deckname ,
@Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Let me help you and from there, you can import all your passwords into Keepass or KeepassXC

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Brave + privacyBadger is about the best you can do. If you turn all the features on it anonymizes your plugins and screen res returns enough that you can’t be identified by a unique configuration.

It supports TOR for private browsing natively.

I don’t trust them more than Mozilla, but the do a better job at keeping my browsing habits out out the hands of my ISP and the sites I visit.

0Xero0 OP , (edited )
@0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

Firefox + uBlock Origin + Badger + Malwarebytes?

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

give er a shot, test is over here.

coveryourtracks.eff.org

Both block ads and trackers, but Firefox always leaves me with a unique fingerprint.

Reverendender ,

For privacy on iOS what is really the best one?

rndm ,

It doesn’t really matter, Apple doesn’t allow any third party web-engines, so no matter which browser you are using, you basically get the same privacy standards as safari

SmoothSurfer ,

Even though Apple is not sharing personal data with third parties, relatively recently they started to use personal data in order to use them on advertisement of their own services. And considering the entire Apple ecosystem(if you are using all devices of course) it is a bit concerning they are using all of those data.

dumbyoyo ,

Ya anybody that believes apple is privacy friendly is just listening to their advertising campaigns. The NSA leaks from Snowden revealed they're part of NSA's PRISM.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/7/17/4517480/nsa-spying-prism-surveillance-cheat-sheet

SmoothSurfer ,

I dont have an evidence but when it comes to nsa, I think any company that holds your information is willing to/have to share the collected data

Reverendender ,

Shocked Pikachu face

BallsInTheShredder ,

They still don’t? Wow, thought they would have loosened the strings a little at some point.

So apple products are basically still in their own little self contained ecosystem over there?

glacier ,
@glacier@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Safari with Adguard adblocker.

confusedbytheBasics ,

Apple gives you one choice. I hope you like it.

Breno ,
@Breno@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

Pleading ignorance here and genuine questions. Is anyone, within the context of browsers able to define privacy and what it is that FF does that is superior to other say, Chromium based browsers? And what the real world effects are of not using FF for the purpose of privacy? Either reply or point to sources on the Web would be much appreciated.

Shurimal ,

As I understand it, you can make a Chromium browser just as privacy friendly as Firefox. I use Vivaldi on my home PC and mobile which is strongly privacy focused and has a ton of small QoL features neither Chrome nor Firefox has (I use both at work, prefer FF over Chrome). (Going off the tangent here) for example, it's incredibly easy to re-open recently closed tabs in Vivaldi with just two clicks—a feature I use all the time—as the recently closed tabs list is very obvious and easy to access in the tab bar itself without the need to futz around in the menus to find browsing history. The customizable speed dial, sidebar menu for things like bookmarks and downloads are really nice and the download manager in Vivaldi is IMO better than FF, too.

The bigger problem is Google having defacto monopoly over browser market and thus having too much influence over how web standards work and how the user can browse the web (I'm old enough to remember "This web page is best viewed on Internet Explorer" messages on websites). The move to manifest v3 to curb content blockers is one such example.

Breno ,
@Breno@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

Thanks for your reply. I am a Vivaldi user myself currently after trying numerous browsers over the years. I was trying to reconcile in my mind what am I giving up in terms of privacy for my choice. I do tend to lean on and learn from other more knowledgeable myself. I do have a few privacy related extensions installed. But you touch on something there that extends further than personal privacy but Googles influence on web standards, good one.

Kushia ,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Chrome is run by an ad company with a vested interest in your data and has been outspoken about banning adblockers in the past.

Firefox is a completely open source project run by a non-profit organisation who accepts donations to cover costs.

Other Chromium-based browsers can generally be fine but the overuse of chromium reinforces web standards that are hard to reproduce. A web browser is a fairly complex beast these days even for the best programmers. Just see XMPP for an example of where things could lead to.

While it’s true that Firefox receives some of those donations from Google for being the default search engine, they have no influence over decisions made by the Firefox team whatsoever. That’s the short version of it.

void_wanderer ,

Can someone make a comment on if and how chromium development changed since Edge uses it? I often hear that Google dictates chormium dev, but what about MS? Are they doing dev work, too?

But sadly, in privacy matters their interests are likely aligned, so that we can expect to be it further hollowed.

b3nsn0w ,
@b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

they’re 100% doing dev work at ms, afaik their contributions are public because chromium is an open source project. and i think it would be very beneficial for larger amounts of people to use edge (only if they’re dead set on not using firefox though) because having two different companies compete on that is still better than just having google have a monopoly.

mk7 ,

The Edge team has made a lot of major contributions to Chromium over the past few years.

dustojnikhummer ,

It unironically has to be Chromium

OrnateLuna ,

But like why?

dustojnikhummer ,

PWAs, UI, general performance (I don’t care "it’s not the fault of the browser), dislike of Mozilla

And a small fuck you to other bots here.

darcy ,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

websites not supporting firefox is the site’s fault, not the browser’s. firefox is not some niche browser. almost every website i have used is fine on firefox, and when it rarely doesnt work (usually bc i have a configured librewolf), i just open brave or whatever.

soviettaters ,

I just use chrome when it doesn’t work since it’s such a rare occurrence. There is no reason for me to use chrome on a daily basis.

atyaz ,

Not everyone has this luxury, but I just close the website and never use it. So far, I haven’t run into anything major that doesn’t work with firefox, so this strategy has been working for me so far.

b3nsn0w ,
@b3nsn0w@pricefield.org avatar

i’d recommend using edge there instead of chrome, because it’s the same browser and google is legitimately less trustworthy than microsoft at this point. neither of these companies are the same that they were in the early 2000s, for better or worse

magiccupcake ,

I occasionally switch to chrome as a troubleshooting step when a website doesnt work, and it rarely is firefox the problem.

Emu ,
@Emu@lemmy.ml avatar

God this community is so pathetic

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