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crashfrog ,

What was ever the value of Twitter as a brand? They’re not in the T-shirt business.

ShadowRam ,

Wtf does brand recognition have anything to do with T-Shirts?

crashfrog ,

Brand recognition is monetizable when you can apply it to other products. People like Apple computers; plop the logo on a phone and they’ll be predisposed to buy an Apple phone.

But Twitter doesn’t sell anything else. There aren’t going to be any Twitter-branded products that try to monetize the brand. So what’s the value of the brand lost by changing the name to “X”?

volvoxvsmarla ,

I would guess the ad revenue. Twitter sells ads. Businesses are probably less likely to advertise on a rebranded platform that implemented so many controversial changes that advertising on it is now not only hitting a much smaller target group (since people left) but is also associated negatively, which might lead to losing even more clients. It is like a local organic fair trade food brand being associated with nestle. This will probably not lead to an increase in sales but much the opposite.

crashfrog ,

Twitter isn’t losing users, it’s gaining them. They may be losing advertisers but “branding” doesn’t really have anything to do with that. Advertisers go where the eyeballs are, brands are otherwise meaningless to them.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@kbin.social avatar

Twitter isn't losing users, it's gaining them

[citation needed]

According to every source I can find X/Twitter has lost around 32 million users and counting since the rebrand.

crashfrog ,

Yeah but it’s gained more than that. So, on net, it’s gaining users.

gbuttersnaps ,

This is just misinformation, Linda Yaccarino confirmed that Twitter is down from 140 million daily users at the end of 2022 to 121 million daily users now.

TseseJuer ,

why are you refusing to accept you are wrong?

crashfrog ,

I’m not.

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

Is this stupid sack of self sucking anal fuck juice you, mate? https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/aad8e828-6552-4cbe-b1df-c8621c9e1744.png

crashfrog ,

Yup! If you fled Ukraine rather than defending it, you’re a coward. Hope that helps!

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not if you’re the invading force

crashfrog ,

Ok, well, if you’re a Russian you’re just a sack of shit no matter what you do, honestly. Stay, go, eat a bullet, whatever.

NoIWontPickaName ,

Change Russian to Jew and maybe you will see the problem with that statement.

crashfrog ,

Russia is a shithole because it threw out all of its Jews. Too bad, they all moved to Brooklyn; our gain and your loss.

NoIWontPickaName ,

How is it my loss?

crazyCat ,

Brands have tons of relevance beyond physical products.

zeze ,

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    homicidalrobot ,

    Tweet being used ubiquitously was profitable the same way xerox being used as a verb to mean “scan and copy” was profitable. Instead of looking at xerox machines first, in this case, people would look to twitter (and the ads on the site, clicked or not) first when it came to social media information flow.

    I’m not saying it’s a good thing that anyone uses only one social media, but it was a reality. Twitter has moved down to only about 8% market share from a dominant position. It does NOT command the audience it once did, and advertisers are moving away from it for more reasons than the literal antisemitism and general ignorance spouted by the new owner. It’s a multitude of factors dragging it down in overall value, but deleting brand recognition by associating the site with the multiple previous failed X projects by the same guy who fucked up the previous ones? Not priceless.

    jaybone ,

    You know all those links and buttons and toolbars and popups on websites that say share on Twitter with the Twitter logo? That’s the brand.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Neither is Apple or Microsoft. What’s your point?

    crashfrog ,

    Both Microsoft and Apple sell t-shirts, in fact.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Do you think that’s why they do branding?

    crashfrog ,

    They do it so that you’ll carry over your positive impressions with the products you’ve used, to the new products they want to sell you. You like the Apple Mac, so you think you’ll like the Apple iPhone.

    But Twitter just has the one product and it’ll always have just the one product. They’re not making a second product, ever. There’s nothing to transfer a favorable impression to. So what’s the “value” of Twitter as a brand, distinct from Twitter as an app? All Twitter is is an app.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    The same value as Coca-Cola has. They don’t have any new products to sell you, everyone knows what Coca-Cola tastes like and no one is switching from Coke to Pepsi because they saw an ad.

    They do it because keeping a brand in the public consciousness is itself a value to a company.

    crashfrog ,

    They don’t have any new products to sell you

    What? No, Coca-cola has new products every fucking year. Several times a year. Literally two months ago they launched “Coca-Cola Y3000 Zero Sugar”, a flavor supposedly created by “AI”. And just knowing that Coca-Cola launched it, you probably have an idea what it tastes like. That’s what branding does. But Twitter doesn’t do any of that, because again, they don’t launch new products. They have one product and they’ll always have one product.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    My point, which I though was obvious, was why does Coca-Cola advertise their main product that they never change except for one ill-advised try in the 1980s? What does it benefit them to have those ads?

    crashfrog ,

    My point, which I though was obvious, was why does Coca-Cola advertise their main product that they never change except for one ill-advised try in the 1980s?

    So that they can sell you all of the 20-odd other flavors, based on your favorable impressions of the Coca-Cola brand as a whole. Have you just not been fucking listening at all?

    FlyingSquid ,
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    I think the point you are missing in both cases is that the so-called customer is not who they are advertising to. In Coca-Cola’s case, they are advertising to investors. In Twitter’s case especially, they are advertising to potential advertising customers and data mining organizations.

    You are not Twitter’s customer. They don’t care whether or not you exist.

    crashfrog ,

    I think the point you are missing in both cases is that the so-called customer is not who they are advertising to. In Coca-Cola’s case, they are advertising to investors.

    You just keep saying different things and then acting like that’s what you’ve been saying “the whole time”, but this is literally the first time you’ve introduced “investors” into it.

    But that’s also nonsense. Coca-Cola doesn’t need to buy ads during the Superbowl to talk to their investors; they already have a mailing address for literally every Coca-Cola shareholder. Every publicly-traded company does. When Coca-Cola wants to tell you, the shareholder, something, they just host a phone call and, like, tell you with their mouths. They do this once a quarter, in fact, if not more frequently.

    Aren’t you embarrassed about being wrong all the time?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Okay, you obviously can’t talk to me without being hostile, so I don’t think I’m willing to continue this conversation. I’m not interested in Reddit behavior. Goodbye.

    crashfrog ,

    You think I was rude, but that’s just because I’m objecting to the Gish Gallop of idiocy you’re bringing to this. If you’d stuck to one point and tried to argue it in good faith, that would have been something.

    JohnDClay ,

    Tweet because synonymous with microblogging, like Netflix and streaming for a time. Companies would kill to get that sort of brand penetration into common vocabulary.

    explodicle ,

    Apparently the owner of X.com agreed with you!

    LazyBane ,

    They’re a social media site, brand is incredibly important.

    Nobody is job networking on reddit, nobody is dating on LinkedIn, and nobody keeping in touch with their highschool friend’s on Tinder.

    The brand dictates how you use the business model. Onlyfans tired to pivot away from cyber-prostitutes but couldn’t beciase that is their brand.

    crashfrog ,

    One of the things I think is really unusual about Twitter is how bifurcated the user base used to be. I don’t think we understood exactly how until the verification thing.

    On the one side, you’ve got people like me, the regular Twitter users; I followed a mix of people I knew professionally, people who were media figures, and then just random-ass accounts who were doing tweets I liked. I don’t pay for Blue, I don’t really care who’s “verified”, since that just meant “I work for a blog or a corporation” and advertising content is irritating and I avoid it if I can. Overall when Musk took over it didn’t change my experience at all, except that all of the media accounts I followed started complaining nonstop and it just got tedious and now I follow a lot fewer of them. One thing that’s changed is that “For You” is a lot better than “Following” since Musk re-did the algorithm (used to be the other way) and now I’m on the “For You” tab about 100% of the time. It’s more fun and more interesting.

    On the other side you’ve got media Twitter users. The people for whom verification was a free perk of the job, people for whom the algorithm just showed them their peers affirming their content rather than any critical perspective, and who really have experienced a sea change in their Twitter experience. But largely what they’re complaining about is that their Twitter experience is now more like how mine always was. I think this is what people are talking about when they say “TPOT”, or “This Part of Twitter.”

    So I guess what I’m getting at is that there used to be two Twitter “brands”; there was the one I knew, which hasn’t changed and probably won’t; and there was the one you knew if you were employed in the media in some capacity, where that experience probably has substantially degraded since now they’re forced to have interactions outside of TPOT. I think when people in the media say “Musk ruined Twitter”, or “X destroyed the Twitter brand”, that’s what they’re talking about because Twitter as they knew it is gone.

    But for most people, people like me, Twitter is the same as its ever been. Little mini-posts from people who have interesting things to say.

    random_character_a ,
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    You can put shirts with swastikas on both of them and it still wouldn’t surprise me.

    andrew_bidlaw ,

    One of these would be over-designed to communicate that he doesn’t care, the other would be an unfunny demotivator about how The Left can’t stand him.

    jaybone ,

    But which would be which?

    andrew_bidlaw ,

    The designer’s one is Kanye because he can’t escape it. The boring meme one is Elon because Elon.

    menemen ,

    Lol, the body language is so powerless. What happened to them that day?

    Viking_Hippie ,

    The crushing realization of the impotent pointlessness of their existence.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    That would take some self-reflection and I don’t think either of them see themselves in a mirror.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Good point. They probably saw an anti-nazi flyer on the way to whatever place they’re at, then 🤷

    beizhia ,
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    X with serifs, but only on the right side

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    Norgur ,

    Would it surprise you?

    Diplomjodler ,

    Why not? They’ve been best buddies for a long time.

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