I thought people made fun of them for suicide nets and incidents like workers having to sleep in factories. Or at least used to, I haven’t been keeping touch.
Yeeeeah… i have an iphone not because i like apple or something, but because their silicon is genuinely the best low wattage performance at the moment, and their software is more stable.
Both of these can change any day and I wouldn’t stick around. Brand loyalty is for chumps.
Maybe conservatives assume liberals like apple because apple greenwashes their company with their ads?
I mean, for the joke, Subaru and L.L. Bean are the obvious choices, but it’s also the kind of joke where part of the joke is that it’s also not a joke.
In 2020-2021 the line “they’re a private company and can choose what speech they host on their platform” was thrown around a lot to defend pre-Musk Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and loads of other social media sites.
Disney is adored by many for “standing up to DeSantis” and doing lots of inclusiveness pandering in their media. People seem to instantly forget that a corporation is literally evil the second some people get wound up over a black mermaid.
A really old meme would be the anti-capitalist who owns an iPhone and $2000 MacBook.
Lots of internet techies are excited about Microsoft acquiring Activision just because it means new video games will hit PC and Xbox quicker.
Speaking of Microsoft, while Bill Gates has become more controversial in recent years, he still has lots of people who love him for his philanthropy while nicely glossing over some of the sketchy stuff he’s done like his association with Jeffery Epstein and how he has recently become the largest landowner in the US.
I’d say the defending of corporate censorship and defending giant corporations that support certain social issues would be the two most glaring offenders.
In case anyone is wondering, no one is going to announce that the worker’s revolution has begun. No one is planning it. The vast majority of people in North America don’t believe climate change is real. To believe in an existential threat to humanity is to attempt to do something about it on a grassroots level. Start getting everyone you know to understand what’s at stake. Fuck if they think you’re being annoying or dramatic. The alternative is we all die at our post/desk/cash register of heat stroke or starvation.
Do you have a source for this? I know that this is anecdotal, but even here in rural north GA, people tend to know that it is real.The one thing hanging by a thread is people denying that humans are the cause, and even the most uneducated are thinking, “Well, maybe.”
My advice is to live your life as best as you can without worrying too much about things you can’t control. Try and build a life around yourself that’ll help you be happy through it all, regardless of what happens. Enjoy your 20’s. 30’s are good too and 40’s don’t suck either.
To paraphrase Sun Tzu: do not choose a path to victory. Instead, choose a strategy such that all paths lead to victory.
Have kids if you want. It’s just insane to me to plan your entire life and make major decisions on a cataclysm that may or may not even occur in your lifetime; and it (climate change) may present in ways that we can’t even imagine now.
Edit, fine, fuck me, it’s raining fire and brimstone out there, billions of people are dying in the streets, the horsemen of the apocalypse are here, it’s game over for the human species, my bad. Nobody have kids, it’s over, might as well just shoot yourself right now.
Seriously. This isn’t the bible where people prophitized the world will end in 130ad. We are in it now. This is happening, and educated people have been warning everyone about it.
Damn dude didn’t take long to throw out the “KYS” card, huh? Spoken like a goddamn bot. This is why we refer to you people as NPCs because everything you say is so goddamn predictable. You do not even have an ounce of original thought in you
Next is go touch grass… no wait you did that already, so why don’t you skip to the calling me a LibCuck and fuck off already, hmm?
Um… It’s literally happening right now. They told our grandparents “it’ll be your grandchildren who will really suffer”
We’re the grandchildren. Food and water shortages, people dying from the heat, floods, pandemics. All of it is happening in first world countries. The US, Europe, China… Last year, this year, next year
We’re past the “slowly gets worse” phase. We fucked around for that. We’re starting the “find out” phase
This is such a depressing and pessimistic view on it though.
Imagine a world where the top humans actually cared and didn’t exist to just exploit the classes under them. That would be a good place to be, but humanity’s greed will never cease to exist.
I don’t care if we go extinct. Once I’m dead reality shuts down since I can only experience it from my POV.
And it’s cute you think we’re gonna allowed to retire instead of dying at work or homeless. Real cute. We won’t have the same luxuries as the damn boomers.
its better to enjoy what you have right now than be worried about the future which is not in your control. i don’t see how being worried will prevent climate change. might as well not give a fuck and live your remaining life doing whatever makes you happy.
You are selling apathy and do-nothing. An utterly abhorrent and amoral position. It’s no wonder the entire of gen z want to kill themselves when people like you are telling them not to worry and just sit around waiting for the end to come.
I am selling the opposite. Join radical political organisations that seek radical change. Take part in building the radical power and actually doing something about it.
No you aren’t selling hope either. Your comment was about 6 billion out of 7 billion people dying. You didn’t ask to do activism or anything… and joining “radical politicial organisations” will get you branded as a terrorist. There is a need for activism but under a capitalist system only profits will matter. There is very little under our control and only enforcing policies at govt. level will help.
I’m not asking people to sit around waiting for end to come. I’m asking them to do things which make them happy whether it’s playing video games or climate activism. Worrying about shit won’t fix climate change, strategical political and economical changes might.
It was like that to illustrate to you the scale of the problem and the scale of immorality hidden within the “just do whatever you want and be happy”.
Get organised. Join radical orgs. Get unionised. How many of you have even bothered to join a union yet? Like the bare fucking minimum. Of the people in this thread I bet it’s a handful. Join an org, go to a 1 hour fucking meeting once a fortnight. It’s not hard, everyone is just lazy as fuck and sitting around waiting for someone else to do it for them.
Absolutely NOBODY will do it for you. The working class must rescue itself. People need to get this through their fucking heads, the system has failed and is not going to reverse course. A new system is needed and only radical efforts are calling for that.
I totally agree with you. I just wanted to put into perspective that being sad and worrying is only detrimental to our own well being. To fight the fight, we need to be resilient. Being in a happy and positive state will help with what you’re suggesting. forcing corporations and taxing their ill-gotten profits is the most basic step we need to do. However, joining unions is hard especially in a poor country like mine. You’ll be kicked out of your company so fast and there are more than a thousand people waiting to take up your job. I’m not exaggerating. Labour laws have been fucked with so hard by the corporations that day to day survival is what most people can think about. Sadly, climate change is the least of the worries especially in poorer countries.
Mate at some point or another you do need to chastise people for claiming they want change, even posting on the internet about all the change they want to see, “remvolutionnnnn!” they shout, and then they do absolutely fucking nothing about it.
Every now and then a kick up the arse helps. I’m not “trying to reach out” to most of these people, I already know that they’re ideologically where they need to be, they already believe that capitalism will not save the planet, they already believe that every day is a step closer to mass famines and societal collapse, they trust the scientists. They want change. What they’re not doing is getting off their arse and going to people that actually want to do something about it. They inactive, they’re hoping something magical will happen with the existing capitalist political ruling class who have brought us to this cliff edge and that they’ll magically stop us marching right off it. They don’t even believe that they will stop the march off the cliff but something deep deep deep down is still making them hope and pray for the yesterday when they could just stay at home and be politically inactive, where politics was a thing that happened on the news and didn’t impact them too much.
Well that shit has changed and they need a boot up the arse to realise that. I don’t need to reach out to them because they already fucking agree. All we need is for all of them to get off their arse and actually do something.
So yeah I’m fine with how I’ve framed it. If you think I’m “reaching out” to you you’re probably still calling yourself a liberal, you’re not the target.
The “kick up the arse” doesn’t work. You’re just going to make people get defensive. You being rude gives them an excuse to not listen to you - now they can strike you off as a madman radical and move on with their lives.
This person was just advising to not get overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future because it’s just going to make the present suck before that future is even here. They never said “don’t take any action at all” or “it’ll all magically be okay”. Going to that person to try and overwhelm them with anxiety and panic for the future and calling them names for not being overwhelmed with anxiety and panic for the future isn’t any kind of rhetorical “tough love” thing you’re trying for it to be - it’s just a dick move.
Trying to overload people with fear doesn’t work. It’s actually a denialist tactic, when your brain is so overloaded with fear it can’t function with it, everything turns into a blurry mess as a self defense mechanism. You stop thinking about it, that’s what most conscious people have done. Very, very few people have genuine faith and trust in today’s political authorities. But regardless, in that state it’s very easy to fall for a counter narrative just to be more calm with your life.
Also, I’m not a liberal. Not every country has an organized and effective radical left. In here the most radical leftist parties are leninists who only sit on their asses writing articles on websites that look from the 90s about how we should support ISIS in their anti-imperialist struggle and how everyone but them is a liberal. I focus on improving and sustaining my own community.
Completely disagree. Have seen it work plenty of times and will absolutely continue doing it. Shame is a powerful motivator and you’re simply wrong.
In here the most radical leftist parties are leninists so all they do is sit on their asses writing articles on websites that look from the 90s about how we should support ISIS in their anti-imperialist struggle. I focus on improving and sustaining my own community.
This is bollocks mate and just tells me you literally do not participate by highlighting that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is doing. You’re mad at me for chastising you because you feel that it applies to you.
Go and join an org and stop making excuses. Start with a union.
I’m not telling you what to do. I’m telling you it’s a shitty thing to do and it doesn’t work. It didn’t work in this thread, and if you’ve found instances of it “working”, I’m 90% sure people just followed along with you so you stopped nagging them. Shaming someone doesn’t convince them, at most it may convince third observers.
This is bollocks mate and just tells me you literally do not participate by highlighting that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is doing. You’re mad at me for chastising you because you feel that it applies to you.
You can ascribe any feelings you want to me, the truth is the same. Most leninists in here don’t do anything, they just whine on blogposts about stupid bullshit. As a matter of fact I do have a clue, because I keep the article as a great reminder: pmli.it/…/20151015_scuderiletussupporttheislamics…
Instead of being part of them, as I previously said, I focus on improving and sustaining my own community. In that I’ve done way more for the proletariat of my country than any smug authoritarian cuck has done in years.
I hope you realize my initial point now. Direct confrontation doesn’t work. The other person will get defensive, probably immediately, and try to look for any possible reason to not listen to you, even if it has nothing to do with what you’re trying to argue. I wonder what you’ll say to deny it next, given that you’ve gone through that exact process right now in this very conversation.
I’m confident from your other comments that I don’t like the specifics of radical political organizations you mean, but the general message is correct, apathy destroys people and societies.
So you’re ignoring 85% of the capitalist world then. Cool.
I can make socialism look fucking awesome if I ignore the 85% of it that performs the worst too.
And that’s completely ignoring the fact that every single bit of standard of living you get in the western empire comes off the backs of exploitation of the global south.
Naming germany is fun, eastern germany used to be socialist and wants to go back to socialism, while Berlin’s population voted to expropriate all property from all major landlords via a referendum, seizing 1.5million homes owned by the parasites. And what’s happening over in Salzburg city proper where 20% voting for the communist party might spook you, 1 in 5 reds under the bed! Ooger booger!
“Global food chains” have lots of strategic depth. When you see a crisis somewhere affecting those and causing famine, that’s usually for the regulation time, not until the crisis itself is resolved, and scaled accordingly, not on the scale of the crisis itself.
Most of the agriculture on our planet works inefficiently. Such an event, if we accept your scale, would just ultimately destroy the producers who do that in favor of those with modern effective means like intensive gardens etc, like many in Israel or Netherlands.
Now, this surely is going to give power to people we maybe don’t want to have it. But this doesn’t mean 6 bln people dying.
EDIT: Forgot to say - climate change is not something which would happen in an instant, so it’s going to be regulated more efficiently than, say, crises caused by wars and revolutions.
You are completely out of touch with what is actually being said by the people screaming that we are on the way off the cliff. They are warning that shit is happening much faster than originally predicted, and they were already originally predicting that the food supply collapse would happen by 2040 years ago. This is happening sooner than you realise. Oh and guess what?
Food collapse isn’t something that happens slowly either mate. Everything in our system is interlinked, when part of the chain breaks we will get complete global chaos. Worse though, when things get real bad there will be no more ability for anyone to cooperate internationally. Once chaos begins it will be impossible to both bring down carbon and maintain order with nations of people rioting and dying from famine.
There is an extreme sense of urgency that some of you are just absolutely not getting at all about this.
I’m not the one fucking saying it. If you ever bothered to read you’d know that it’s the research scientists and professors at the the university of Exeter in one of those links, or the research scientists and professors at the Columbia University in another, or the research scientists at the Anglia Ruskin University in another.
You are literally just a denier. Did you deny covid was serious too? Post some anti mask and anti lockdown shit?
How’s your underground bunker going? If you aren’t currently either living in one or building one you should probably stop talking shit about billions dying.
Underground bunkers are a prepper fantasy held by people with masculinity issues. They’re completely useless without supply chains and communities to support them.
What gets people through hardtimes isn’t individualist isolationism. It is collective support, community building and cooperation. The pooling together of labour within groups in order to perform tasks more efficiently overall for the collective benefit.
My understanding is that communities require children to continue existing. People in this thread are saying they don’t want children because climate change. My position is that that opinion is really stupid, and what you just said about communities would suggest you feel the same.
I don’t think there is any particular problem with people having fewer children. It creates a short-term labour burden in terms of having to divert more resources to elderly care but the rate of birth change isn’t likely to change too dramatically to affect much. You just reduce the population over time and that’s fine. Fewer people isn’t a problem as long as the labour exists to support the food, clothing and shelter output you require for the combination of capable + incapable that your community has. Starvation in the short term is the larger concern.
Ha! I am so out of the loop. I thought I saw an r/place post on lemmy the other day but ignored it. Just logged into Reddit via browser to see what’s going on…I have messages.
Don’t even act like you’ve never imagined George Michael driving a Honda Element with a women in the back farting on a cake while they deliver it to some old skaters who love playing Flash Party.
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