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RememberTheApollo_ ,

Even if anon didn’t get to bank the days to take them all later I hope their contract gave a payout for the value of the days not taken at the end of the year. If not, they got screwed twice. Take your vacation days.

Know your contract!

fibojoly ,

My wife had a nice mail about her 18 unused vacation days this year and what she wants to do with them. The employers keep trying to make it as confusing as possible with two types of days and counters and whatnot, but French law protects us from the worst of it.

Worst case scenario : she gets paid 18 days of work.

I_Clean_Here ,

What a dumbass

bitchkat ,

Finding out if vacation days carry over or are use it or lose it is something you should inquire about on day 1 at the latest.

UnderpantsWeevil , (edited )
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Assuming it’s a true story.

That said, the vacation expiration rules haven’t always been around. They started showing up back in the 90s/00s, as accounting firms started counting these days as liabilities and businesses started trying to minimize how many days were outstanding on their books.

I did know a few public school teachers who did exactly this. They’d save up vacation for five years and then take a paid semester off.

Can’t do it anymore, but it wasn’t always this way.

Quacksalber ,

In Germany, vacation days expire as well (past a certain amount), but the employer is forced by law to force you to take your vacation days.

jonne ,

In Australia they accrue, and I have mixed feelings about that. It’s good in the sense that you can do like the OP and save up for like a 3 month vacation, on the other hand, you’ll end up overworking yourself before you get there.

50MYT ,

However, some (all?) states give the employer the right to force you to use them if you build up too many days.

Source: had to deal with a guy on a team I inherited that had built up a bank of 63 weeks (annual plus long service). He did not want to be forced to take them. He politely reminded him that by law they can, so we worked out a payment plan where he took 3 months off a year to catch up. He will celebrate 40 years at the company in a few months.

PhobosAnomaly ,

63 weeks!!! That’s wild!

Not to be a Debbie Downer about it, but I’d honestly be bricking it that the company goes bust in the interim, and that accruement would be for fuck all.

50MYT ,

I know!

The previous manager was best mates with him and let it slide hard.

Here, the money for things like that needs to be put aside to cover it so that if the company does go bust they aren’t in the lurch.

In the end it worked out ok for all.

absGeekNZ ,
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Same in NZ, but they get pretty insistent once you have accrued more than 8 weeks (2 years worth).

RecluseRamble ,

the employer is forced by law to force you to take your vacation days.

Only the minimum required by law though. For example, 30 vacation days are pretty standard in Germany but the required minimum for a 5 day work week are 20 days.

The employee must take those days off whether they want to or not. In extreme cases this could get them fired even.

sep ,

Same in norway. You can also transfer some over to a new year. Or be paied out days. But you can not loose them.

echodot ,

I think the rule that we have is that we can transfer the days as long as we have attempted to take them. If we’ve tried to take them and the time has been denied, then they get transferred to the following year, but if we’ve just not taken them I’m just letting them sit there, then we either have to take them quickly at the end of the year or get paid the days.

echodot ,

Same in the UK. I ended up taking basically all of November off because I had hardly any holidays last year. It wasn’t intentional at all it just ended up like that.

It’s not really worth it because who wants to be off in November, it’s cold and there’s nothing to do.

PriorityMotif ,
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I’m my state they are treated as earned income, so if you leave or they expire they automatically pay it out.

GissaMittJobb ,

Sweden has a mixed system. Generally you are required to use 20 of your legally mandated minimum of 25 vacation days, and you may save the rest. The days can then be saved for 5 years, after which they must be used or paid out.

AgentGrimstone ,

Thank you to our receptionist for telling me I was nearing the cap. Used it all on a few months of 4 day work weeks.

grrgyle ,

Mm my favourite

henfredemars ,

Know your employer’s rules for any PTO you earn so that you can use that meager amount to the absolute maximum. Limits, payouts, and policies. Otherwise, you risk leaving money on the table.

DrBob ,

Well they got paid out for them right? Right?

BodilessGaze ,

In the US, some employers do pay out vacation, but many don’t, because there’s no law requiring them to do so. It’s perfectly legal to offer literally zero vacation days.

HollowNaught ,
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I feel sorry for Americans

thefartographer ,

Your thoughts and prayers are all we need

Etterra ,

Well I mean it’s not like the government is going to give us anything actually useful.

chemical_cutthroat , (edited )
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But we also accepts Likes and Subscribes.

Edit: Just don’t ring the bell. We’ve already lost two of them…

GluWu ,

Will you adopt me? I just need a small spot on the floor to sleep, I’m already house trained.

PunnyName ,

Americans do, too. Well, the smart ones feel sorry.

BottleOfAlkahest ,

California is actually one of the states that require pay out of unused PTO. I believe MA, CO, and LA do as well, Im not sure of all of them. More than half don’t require it, in those states it’s company dependant.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

The really cool thing is that my nationally operating employer has offices in NY and CA, and my team has members in both NY and CA. And we in NY don’t get paid out minimum unused vacation, while the people on my team in CA, who I work with every day, and who do the same job, in the same company, in the same country, do get paid out.

Our CEO (who recently was let go with a golden parachute and will never have to work again) was asked about this policy at an all-hands, and he replied, “We comply with local laws.”

Agrivar ,

Since I live in Massachusetts, I was curious to learn more. According to this site, you are correct about my home state, and quite a few others as well!

shikitohno ,

Aside from this, at least in my state, if you opt to cash out your vacation days without taking them, they get taxed at a higher rate. I used to tell my teams, “If you take your vacation days instead cashing them out, you get more money after taxes and you don’t have to be here, so please just take your vacation time.”

conciselyverbose ,

I’m pretty sure they just get withheld at a higher rate.

It’s the same amount of money, and the tax rate is calculated on total income (with a bunch of bullshit to make it more complicated for minimal reasons), but getting paid for unused vacation days means that you got a much higher total amount of cash that week, and so bonus checks have more money taken out for taxes because projecting that week’s checks out to a year at $2000 instead of $1500 would put you in a different tax bracket.

But at the end of the year it’s just your total income used to calculate the actual amount owed, so your number would be the same. (Ignoring that it’s progressive and you earned 40 more hours worth of money). So most of the time that difference in withholding is basically just a bigger refund or less owed.

bitchkat ,

Deoends on the state whether or not accrued vacation must be paid out or not.

dohpaz42 ,
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It depends. Usually if you leave a job and have any unused vacation left over, they have to pay you for that time. There’s a catch though, they do not have to let you carry over your vacation from year to year (use it or lose it), and/ or they can set a cap of how much vacation you can have accrued. In the latter, you can either lose any vacation over that cap, or some employers might be “kind” and let you convert excess vacation into sick time. Sick time does not have to be paid out when you quit.

My employer, for example, allows us to accrue up to 240 hours of vacation time; anything above 240 gets converted to sick time. We can accrue as much sick time as we want. So long as we remain employed, it never expires. We can also apply our sick time toward our retirement.

At my company, it’s not unheard of for employees to stick around for 20+ years before retiring. If you bank all of your sick time, you can apply toward your retirement date and retire up to three years early. And, a lot of people when they retire will have enough vacation available that they can take a month off before officially retiring; and the company does not stop them.

Also it should be noted, I work in the public sector and am considered a state employee. So that helps.

Oni_eyes ,

Sounds like teaching.

PhobosAnomaly , (edited )

I can only speak for the UK, but it’s rarely an entitlement to have annual holidays paid, rather an option.

My currently employer will pay out if you’ve demonstrated that you’ve tried to take leave through the year and it’s been declined for whatever reason - they’ll pay the remaining balance. It’s done that way to discourage people from hoarding their days off to try and get a monster payday at the end of it, rather than work themselves into a breakdown from not having any time off work which I can see the benefit of but still not entirely sure it should be at the discretion of the employer.

That, and taking the holiday days is effectively tax free. If you take a week off on a 40hr per week contract, then you get 40hrs worth of time off. If you get it paid, then you’ll get at least 19pc of the leave pay going as tax, depending on where in the UK you are.

I’ve seen previous employers going with the flow and allowing employees to take their leave as paid if they want to, but effectively buying the leave pack at two-thirds rate for payment.

An old place I used to work for went halfway, allowing the carrying of ten days leave into the next year, but anything above that is forfeit.

As always, the devil is in the detail.

DrBob ,

I’m in Canada. For regular employment there are a minimum of 3 paid weeks holidays. Vacation pay comes out of every paycheck so it’s an entitlement. There is vacation hoarding, but mostly to take a while summer off or something. Nobody wants to get paid out for accumulated vaycay because the tax hit is monstrous.

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