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Celebrities will never adopt the Fediverse until usernames are centralized.

Because let’s say you’re Tom Hanks. And you get [email protected]

Well, what’s stopping someone else from adopting [email protected]?

And some platforms minimize the text size of platform, or hide it entirely. So you just might see TomHanks, and think it’s him. But it’s actually a 7 year old Chinese boy with a broken leg in Arizona.

Because anyone can grab the same name, on a different platform.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Case in point.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Ah, yes, that's a very good point. You're the smartest man in the world!

AbouBenAdhem ,

It should work the same as email: you can trust it’s them if the user account is hosted on their own site, or their employer’s, or if they link to it from another confirmed source.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Kind of like the BBC has their own Mastodon server instead of being on someone elses.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

But look below in the comments. Can you even tell which of my comments came from Lemmy.World, and which comments didn’t? Some platforms will just show Lost_My_Mind. I can’t tell which platform @AbouBenAdhem is posting via. I just see AbouBenAdhem.

AbouBenAdhem ,

I’m not familiar with every client, but on mine it only hides the domain for users on my own server. (Early email used to work exactly the same—you could send an email addressed to just a username with no tld and it would go to the user with that name on your own server by default.)

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

I’m not using any client. I’m just using the browser that came with my cell phone.

missingno ,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Yes.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

One good thing IMO about threads federating, that we get the celebrities, we know they’re verified, but I don’t have to join corpo social media.

SnotFlickerman , (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Who the fuck wants celebrities here?

This is a good thing.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Because with celebrities come fanbases.

Imagine if whoever the new hot artist is put out their next music video exclusively on Peer-Tube.

Suddenly millions of people would be using peer-tube. Then they’d ask “what is the fediverse?”

If you want to keep the fediverse small and isolated, go stay on hexbear, or whatever that one isolated instance is.

I would rather every single human be using the fediverse.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I don’t want those type of people here.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

You don’t want the fediverse to grow?

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

It is, it is natural organic growth.

Organic growth is much more manageable and predictable than explosive cancerous growth.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Not like that. I’d rather the FV just slowly accumulate internet weirdos, OSS nerds, etc., than triple in size overnight because some pop singer told their fans to join

subignition ,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

Not a la Eternal September

cmgvd3lw ,

We have @MargotRobbie.

WatDabney ,

I presume I’m supposed to care, but I dont, and I don’t know why anyone would.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

The other night 337K people all registered to vote, simply because Taylor Swift sent one message on instagram.

People come to the platforms FOR the celebrities. And that’s just ONE celebrity. The more celebrities on the platform, the more fanbases come with it.

But celebrities are picky. If they think something will hurt their image, they won’t do it. Even if theres minimal chance it hurts their image. They have to be protective.

So they need assurance that when they post something, there’s zero chance someone else could be posting “as them”. Ironically enough, that was the original purpose of twitters blue checkmark.

WatDabney ,

I think you have forums confused with microblogs.

wesker , (edited )
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Fuck the celebrities. They aren’t your people, peers, or friends. They adopt platforms only when they determine they can make a buck from it. They’re the kids that break your new toys, and you’re suggesting we keep inviting them over to play.

They will only bring enshittification. Having a platform that isn’t celebrity friendly is a boon.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

With the celebrities come their followers. Which is like 97% of the world. I’m trying to get that 97% to adopt the fediverse.

But they don’t come on their own. They go where their celebrities go. The celebrities bring content for their followers to consume.

wesker , (edited )
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

You’re arguing quantity over quality. I do not care the least for bootstrapped growth at the detriment of the platform. I also do not care about people who idolize and platform hop in order to follow celebrities. I suspect very few will bring with them value beyond increased traffic.

If you want this, Reddit is still an option available to you.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Right now Lemmy has something like 16K users, and a few hundred instances. Most of which are small instances hosting less than 10 users.

What I’m suggesting is a few hundred thousand instances, with millions of users, if not billions.

And I assume the instances would face a point where they need organization. So certain instances start hosting certain types of content.

So if you personally don’t want to read on home and garden topics, you don’t read those instances. That’s what I’m suggesting. If you want to stick to your small corner of the fediverse, you do that.

What you’re suggesting is that the fediverse never expand beyond the people you deem worthy of contributing content.

I tried to give peer-tube a chance. None of my youtube creators are producing content on peer-tube. I gave up when every single instance I found was just linux content.

With more celebrities bring more content. With more content brings more users. With more users brings more communities, and more niches.

I’m trying to bring down reddit, and instagram, and youtube, and twitter, and everything else thats considered social media. In its place, social media will default to the fediverse.

You on the other hand are trying to keep the fediverse from growing.

wesker , (edited )
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

You’re right. I see no more intrinsic value in having 1mil users, versus 15k. And nothing you can say is likely to convince me that quantity determines or makes for a valuable platform. We’ve seen the growth mentality and resulting corporate greed destroy numerous platforms already.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Except in this case, there can be no corporate green to destroy the fediverse. They can build and destroy their own instance, and their own communities…but the very nature of the fediverse is that it scales well, and it CAN’T be owned. So growth can only help. Temporarily it may crash the servers with more traffic than it can handle, but more instances and servers will be added, and the userbase will spread out.

nokturne213 ,

This is sounding like don_dickle2.0

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Was Don_Dickle banned or something?

GBU_28 ,

No one should give a fuck if celebrities are here

greenshirtdenimjeans ,

Give em a blue checkmark

nokturne213 ,

$50 bucks little man, put that shit in my hand.

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I honestly hope they never adopt the fediverse. Imagine wanting that.

lambalicious ,

Well, what’s stopping someone else from adopting [email protected]?

There’s over 1400 people solely in the US named Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks The Celebrity does not get patent rights or trademarks or copyrights on the name.

Wanna know which is the Tom Hanks The Celebrity? Check if their profile is authenticated against their personal website, à-la-Mastodon.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

I don’t think it’s a huge deal, we’ll either know they’re legit or not. Care to weigh in @MargotRobbie ?

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Didn’t she just have a baby?

GBU_28 ,

Truthiness of a user should be determined with corroboration on 3rd party services.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Except no one will. If millions of people were on the fediverse, maybe 1% would confirm.

We live in a world where people read the headline and believe it, but don’t even open the article.

GBU_28 ,

Then it doesn’t matter.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

But it would.

Imagine Kamala Harris as president had a mastodon account. And somebody else made a duplicate Kamala Harris account. And this duplicate announced that the United States has gone to war with Russia.

Except these media stations don’t know how the fediverse works. They don’t know what an instance is. They just see Kamala Harris on social media announcing war.

And in media you HAVE to be the first to break the news story. So now you have every major news outlet confirming nuclear war, and the nation is panicing.

Meanwhile, Harris is trying to figure out how this all started. And this whole thing maybe lasts 10-60 minutes before somebody notices the mistake. Then it takes time to correct themselves and calm everybody down.

All over something that isn’t happening. All because people don’t check sources.

Now this is an extreme example, but I could see it happening if the fediverse was bigger, under it’s current setup.

GBU_28 , (edited )

Or, all accounts in the fedi are anonymous by nature, and if they need to be verified, they are verified on 3rd party sources.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Except they won’t.

GBU_28 ,

Then return to the first clause.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Then people won’t sign up for it.

The fediverse as it stands right now is confusing enough as it is for new people. Now you’re saying you want to add in the chaos that comes from everybody being annonomous? They say that the internet, and trolling, and threats of violence are encouraged online because you’re annonomous. And now you want to highlight that feature on a service thats hard enough to grasp without nazis and death threats.

GBU_28 , (edited )

Who cares? Like, none of this matters. Don’t put the fedivwrse on a pedestal

Nothing here is verified internally, and shouldn’t be. Centralization is antithetical to the decentralized nature of the fediverse.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Right now it’s not just decentralized. It’s fractured. It should operate as decentralized, but from a performance standpoint it should feel like it’s centralized.

Remember, most normies won’t know or care what decentralized even is. But the reason sites like instagram have users isn’t because it’s centralized. It’s because that’s where the content is.

Peertube is suffering HARD from lack of content. Which is why you want celebrities bringing exposure to the fediverse. They bring content.

Go outside to a popular public place and ask 100 people in person how many people have heard of the fediverse. I’d be SHOCKED if 1 person knew what it was.

Now get a popular youtuber like markiplyer, or good mythical morning, to post their stuff exclusively on peertube, and suddenly 2-6 million people all flock over and create accounts.

NightOwl ,

I’m not here for celebrities and they will always flock to centralized platforms anyways, since they are all about the views.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

they will always flock to centralized platforms anyways,

I’m trying to change that.

since they are all about the views.

Which is why if we make the fediverse normalized for celebrities to host content, they can get more views here.

I fully believe that this fediverse concept CAN be the future of the entire internet. Services that don’t even exist yet can integrate with the fediverse, and it can scale easily by it’s very nature. But there’s a LOT of rough edges that keep the normies away…for now.

Right now, the fediverse is more than just decentralized. It’s fractured.

Imagine posting an update on something, and it goes out to your mastodon, your Lemmy community, your pixelfed, and your peertube accounts. All at once. You wouldn’t follow services, you’d follow people.

But we’d need all these services to integrate with each other nicely. And part of that would be making it so you don’t have 7 different accounts for 7 different services. You have 1 account, and sign up for each service under that account.

All your notifications would go to the same place.

Your identity would be your username. People would know if it’s your username, it’s you.

NightOwl ,

But people here don’t really care that much about celebrities being here and maybe not even their username being unique. Could probably be anon1, anon2, etc and it wouldn’t matter that much, since real identity is probably not a draw for them. Focus on regular people wanting the userbase to want to use fediverse rather than celebrities which is an off-putting first impression and point of sale for lot of people here.

You need to pivot is what I’m saying to achieve what you want.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

But you need to get the celebrities here first FOR the regular userbase to follow. Which is the whole point of the post.

It’s like those dog memes about the stick. “No take! Only throw!” Well, you have to take the stick first, THEN you can throw the stick.

Well, you need the celebrities here first, THEN the regular userbase will come.

So how do you get them here? Well first you make a list of every problem that would prevent a celebrity from coming here. Then iron out those rough edges first.

I’ve already talked in other posts prior how the only way to grow the userbase is to be welcoming of people that you have no interest in interacting with. But it’s fine. Because they don’t want to interact with you either. It doesn’t matter though because you can be on /c/Linuxmemes, and they can be on /c/homeandgarden.

And if Martha Stewart posted on /c/homeandgarden she’d bring her fanbase with her. And if Ozzy Osborn posted on /c/ozzybitesabat he’d bring his fanbase.

And so on and so on with each new celebrity. Some of them have overlap, some don’t. But you’re bringing more people, who create more instances, and then niche communities can develop. You get more people posting more content. And the platform grows with more varied topics than just politics, technology and video games.

Or you could ignore what the celebrities want, and google, and reddit, and instagram will always be the dominant platforms, while nobody will have ever heard of the fediverse.

I’m trying to bring the current system down.

reddig33 ,

Reminds me of ICANN fucking up all the domain names.

CocaCola.com CocaCola.new CocaCola.drink Cocacola.world CocaCola.bev

Etc.

Shameful. One thing that might work for the fediverse is federal institutions running their own Mastadon instances on .gov to move away from announcements on Twitter. You can’t fake .gov domains.

pruwybn ,
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Taylor Swift’s Twitter handle is @taylorswift13 and it doesn’t seem to be a problem for her.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

Because there can only be one taylorswift13.

There aren’t multiple instances on twitter.

pruwybn ,
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

My point is there could be a @taylorswift but it doesn’t matter because people know which account is hers.

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s why she hosts her own domain, instead of sending half a million followers to some random fediverse instance.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

This solves the issues of having the same username across all platforms, assuming you host an instance for every platform you want to use. And also mske those domains private. But it doesn’t address that same username being used on another instance/domain.

Like imagine someone had the usernsme [email protected] and was impersonating you. If you made your living off your name, an imposter would affect your image.

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

If I was making my living off of my name, I wouldn’t even know some random user with no followers from a troll domain exists.

Whatever the reason celebs don’t take to the fediverse, this isn’t it…

AstralPath ,

The fix for this is for the guilds and unions that represent these celebrities to spin up their own instances. The suffix of the username granting the legitimacy.

Lost_My_Mind OP ,

It would solve the issue for people who look into it. But what if I registered [email protected]? I could pretend to be you. And because most people won’t check, I’d get away with it until people caught on.

Now if you make your living off your public image, and I say horrible things, your career could take a hit. Even if nothing I said is true, and its proven it was never you.

People will just remember “Hey, remember that time AstralPath admitted to having sex with their grandmother?”

“No, that wasn’t actually them.”

“Are you sure? I remember reading about it in (insert tabloid here)”.

And suddenly you have a legit reason not to use a platform that easily ruins your career through no fault of your own.

People will ALWAYS attempt to troll online for the memes. Remember Boaty McBoatface?

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