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Why use MBin instead of Lemmy?

I actually started on Kbin.social, but then it got shut down, Kbin died and now fedia.io seems to be the largest one running MBin. I like the interface on MBin and I guess it's good to have a diverse fediverse with different services, but at the same time, why use mbin when everyone congregates on lemmy instances? The local magazines on fedia are for the most part, quite dead, when compared to lemmy collections. In the end I feel like there aren't enough people to go around to support many more services like MBin and Piefed.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

the interface to all the exact same content, as you point out, is better.

why would i use an incredibly shitty interface that almost requires the use of an app, when i can access 100% of lemmy from mbin?

this whole 'lemmy-centric' view you have of the fediverse is archaic. you need to think bigger.

the whole point of the fediverse is access to all the content from your interface of choice... and youre asking 'why choose the better interface?'

cron ,

The approach could be to use the lemmy server software and a custom UI, not a whole new server-side project like kbin/mbin.

Examples:

simple ,

I love the front-ends as well but it feels like every Lemmy update breaks something there. Alexandrite still hasn’t updated to 0.19.5 (since most instances are still on 0.19.3 due to image caching issues), and upvotes/downvotes still don’t show up in my instance.

gedaliyah , (edited )
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

What is Next? I hadn’t heard of it before.

Edit: sorry, it’s linked on the page you shared. Not sure how I missed this one!

cron ,

I don’t know. These are the frontends that my home instance offers. What I was trying to say with my post is that there are already a few different UIs available and it should be straightforward to fork one and adapt as you like.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, I found it here.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Some if them are hosted directly on instances like a.lemmy.world or photon.lemmy.world. Others are hosted separately, but allow you to login from most any server, like tesseract.dubvee.org,

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Everything you listed is opinions and he is asking for actual reasons to use it.

To op:

There is no benefit to either. Test out a few frontends and choose the one you like the most. The differences are minimal.

SteveFromMySpace ,

You can make these great points without the digs lol

halm ,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

this whole ‘lemmy-centric’ view you have of the fediverse is archaic.

More like narrow, but we see that all over. Mastodon users think microblogging is the end-all, be-all of the fediverse, even ignoring the loads of other, similar server software in that sector. Lemmy users talk about the fediverse as if it’s only community-based forums.

In the meantime I guess, say, Peertube users are over in the other end of the room scratching their heads.

DarkThoughts ,

Better UI & UX.
As long as federation works it does not matter whether they are Lemmy communities or mbin magazines. So, why use Lemmy when you can make use of the same communities on mbin?

Treedrake OP ,
@Treedrake@fedia.io avatar

At least earlier there have been quite a few problems with federation not working between KBin and Lemmy, posts and comments not syncing. It does seem better now but at the same time it's hard to know if you're missing a few comments or threads or whatnot.

DarkThoughts ,

A lot of the major federation issues in kbin were already fixed on mbin. Also, there were at least two major federation issues caused by Lemmy updates, which had nothing to do with kbin nor mbin and affected Lemmy instances accordingly as well. Of course, new issues can arise, but that also goes for Lemmy, or even just ActivityPub in general. But overall federation seems to be working fairly well right now.

SteveFromMySpace ,

Kbin’s issues stemmed from lack of upkeep. Ernest is a good dude who did his best but he was truly a one-person operation and it showed over time. Mbin doesn’t have those issues.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

I’m struggling to see how the UI is better in mbin. Maybe I just use the site differently, I also don’t care about mastodon/ following users.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6cfa4cf7-6dc6-4494-bc19-6574e6558cc3.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/149427f4-ba8f-48d2-bd6f-e0c8777e868b.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/dbbdd2b2-d2c0-4d7b-acb9-208abfe567d6.png

DarkThoughts ,

https://i.imgur.com/suCfFlm.png vs. https://i.imgur.com/m6WICCm.png

Pretty clear cut for me personally. I don't really use the micro blogging feature either.

MyOpinion , (edited )

Looks like Lemmy is the way to go. I really like how well it works.

jerry ,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I run fedia.io. I also run Infosec.pub. Which is lemmy so I know a lot about both. Lemmy is much more robust, but I personally find the interface for Mbin much nicer and the development of it seems to be headed in a direction I like better than that of lemmy. At least for now.

Treedrake OP ,
@Treedrake@fedia.io avatar

Thanks for answering! Nothing against fedia, after all I'm posting from here, just asked out of curiosity.. would've been fun if the local magazines were somewhat more active. Though I guess there lies the fediverse's strength, of being able to post and read in this collection for example.

jerry ,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

There’s a reason for that. About a year ago, Reddit started to implode. I set up Infosec.pub and Fedia to give people an alternative. There was a huge influx of people here creating all sorts of magazines, the same that you would see on Reddit. Fedia ran kbin at the time and it had all manner of problems, and over time people sort of wandered away. Either because they were tired of the problems or because they went back to Reddit.

In any event, what we see in the local magazines is the remnants of that initial migration. I really need to go and clean them up.

Now that Fedia is on mbin, things are much better. We still have issues now and then, but generally things work well.

Atelopus-zeteki ,

Thanks for this! I escaped Reddit to Kbin.social to Kbin.run, and now landed at Fedia.io. I need to reconstruct some of the communities I started on the previous two. And will soon. It's just gotten a bit busy IRL.

emmanuel_car ,

Unrelated, but does anyone know what happened to kbin.run?

hitstun , (edited )
@hitstun@fedia.io avatar

would've been fun if the local magazines were somewhat more active.

I'm trying! :P

I originally chose Kbin/Mbin over Lemmy because of the added support for Mastodon-like posts, but it's still suffers from wonky early adopter stuff. I still rather like Mbin's interface more than Lemmy's defaults, though Lemmy's support for third party front ends is very cool. Whichever way you go, I'm happy that Mbin and Lemmy have access to all the same content. Mbin could grow more if some of a magazine's custom CSS could federate to other instances, or if it supported bots like Lemmy.

Oh dang, I'm gonna have to look into PieFed, though. That looks good! I'd like to see how my community looks, but I think a registered piefed.social user has to do this community lookup for federation to begin.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Jerry … admin of many instances!

the development of it seems to be headed in a direction I like better than that of lemmy

Just curious what sorts of things you have in mind here … it’s been a while since I used a k/mbin platform? (I was on kbin.social, RIP, hopefully it returns).

cabbage ,
@cabbage@piefed.social avatar

Mbin is very community oriented in it's development, collective decision-making and all that. Lemmy is more subject to the ideas of it's creators, for better or for worse.

kenkenken ,
@kenkenken@fedia.io avatar

An offtopic but federation is not working on fedia.io right now.

jerry ,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I fixed it a few hours ago, but it takes a while to catch up.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

What ultimately caused kbin to shut down?

smeg ,

Single developer prioritised his life over supporting an increasingly complex project, I think

iAmTheTot ,

He had some health issues iirc, and frankly people got really pushy about a thing they don’t even pay for. I don’t blame him for stopping development.

clb92 ,

and frankly people got really pushy about a thing they don’t even pay for

He doesn’t owe anyone anything, and he can decide to run his open source project just as he pleases, but it could have gone so much better. People are mostly just disappointed, I feel like.

cabbage ,
@cabbage@piefed.social avatar

It seems like his health condition got bad enough that he quite literally prioritised his life.

I hope he's well.

BarbecueCowboy ,

I mean… Maybe some exceptions, but I don’t feel like the community was being too pushy.

Stuff happens in life, people get that, but I don’t feel like it’s too much to ask for an update about what’s going on more than once every other month and while we appreciate him trying to handle everything, when he can’t, there needs to be some effort at creating a backup plan. And… then finally when people stepped up to offer to help him, he didn’t appreciate them, ignored their efforts and pushed them out (which is why we have mbin).

Sabata11792 ,

The dev had medical issues, and went offline for months. Lack of maintenance caused the site to break.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

More options is better

monobot ,

If those options are functional, otherwise focus on making some of them functional.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

There is definitely a LOT of half ass activity pub projects floating around. Everyone wants to start a new thing, but few people want to mature and maintain something someone else started.

We need more people doing the latter. We don’t need another half-finished client. We have those in spades.

kbal ,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

It's much easier to follow people from e.g. mastodon from here than I remember it being on lemmy.

grte , (edited )

This is less a reason to use Lemmy or MBin over the other specifically: One of the great features of the fediverse is that the content is not siloed off behind one interface. Usage and development can happen on both and any number of other interfaces and all of them will have access to the same content (barring federation issues, but that should become less of an issue as ActivityPub and various interfaces mature).

As for there being enough people to populate interface specific communities/magazines/whatever, you can’t take a snapshot of today and project that into the future statically. The fediverse population is still relatively low compared to commercial social networking sites, but there is enough of a core userbase for new people to accrete onto over the course of time. There is a potential future where the user base flips, or doesn’t but both Lemmy and MBin have large userbases, or another interface that doesn’t even exist yet takes off and becomes larger than both. But it doesn’t really matter because all that’s happening in those cases is people are being offered different ways of accessing the same content that better match their preference.

Bringing it back to the original point, that the content is not siloed means development on various interfaces can happen concurrently to make things not necessarily better than each other, but more suited to different tastes. You aren’t locked into whatever Reddit, or Twitter, or whatever decides the interface should look like.

cabbage ,
@cabbage@piefed.social avatar

I prefer being on instances with fewer users anyway - it feels a bit more personal. So more users on the larger Lemmy instances is not really an argument in my book.

I like the user experience on Lemmy and Mbin more. Another thing I like about Mbin is being able to boost posts and interact with the greater Fediverse more.

I like the performance of PieFed. It also works without JavaScript, which is nice some times.

What I like about this place is that we can all be on different platforms if we want to - there's no such thing as there not being enough people around to support all the platforms, as they're not competing for users. I'm happy whatever platform the people I interact with use - the important thing is that I can interact with them. :)

monobot ,

Thank you for mentioning Pie Fed, I neverd heard of it until now, but looks great. Clean code, intro video for developers, db structure exolained. Really friendly for new contributors, quite refreshing.

cabbage ,
@cabbage@piefed.social avatar

I really like the user experience as well, and @rimu is great at including the community in its development and keeping an open dialogue. It's a great project.

funbreaker ,
@funbreaker@kbin.earth avatar

The mbin devs don‘t seem to be lolicon apologists and transphobes.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

At risk of answering a question with a question… Is there a drawback to using mbin? Are there certain ways that it makes interacting with Lemmy awkward or difficult, or is it essentially just another interface? There are lots of frontends for the threadiverse - Lemmy UI is just one.

I know that mbin has additional features on the backend, but is there something you are missing out on?

PierreKanazawa ,
@PierreKanazawa@fedia.io avatar

For me it's the UI thing. It may be the borderless timeline or the colorful info line - I struggle to focus on the title when browsing with lemmy.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

TIL Kbin died.

zerozaku ,

I have been on and off lemmy lately, kbin has been shutdown?!!!

BarbecueCowboy ,

The head dev just kinda peaces out from time to time. Supposedly, he’s got a lot going on in his personal life, and he probably really does, but he’s also unwilling to hand over the reins or communicate or share, so the main instance just kinda died.

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