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Why use MBin instead of Lemmy?

I actually started on Kbin.social, but then it got shut down, Kbin died and now fedia.io seems to be the largest one running MBin. I like the interface on MBin and I guess it's good to have a diverse fediverse with different services, but at the same time, why use mbin when everyone congregates on lemmy instances? The local magazines on fedia are for the most part, quite dead, when compared to lemmy collections. In the end I feel like there aren't enough people to go around to support many more services like MBin and Piefed.

grte , (edited )

This is less a reason to use Lemmy or MBin over the other specifically: One of the great features of the fediverse is that the content is not siloed off behind one interface. Usage and development can happen on both and any number of other interfaces and all of them will have access to the same content (barring federation issues, but that should become less of an issue as ActivityPub and various interfaces mature).

As for there being enough people to populate interface specific communities/magazines/whatever, you can’t take a snapshot of today and project that into the future statically. The fediverse population is still relatively low compared to commercial social networking sites, but there is enough of a core userbase for new people to accrete onto over the course of time. There is a potential future where the user base flips, or doesn’t but both Lemmy and MBin have large userbases, or another interface that doesn’t even exist yet takes off and becomes larger than both. But it doesn’t really matter because all that’s happening in those cases is people are being offered different ways of accessing the same content that better match their preference.

Bringing it back to the original point, that the content is not siloed means development on various interfaces can happen concurrently to make things not necessarily better than each other, but more suited to different tastes. You aren’t locked into whatever Reddit, or Twitter, or whatever decides the interface should look like.

kbal ,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

It's much easier to follow people from e.g. mastodon from here than I remember it being on lemmy.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

More options is better

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

What ultimately caused kbin to shut down?

smeg ,

Single developer prioritised his life over supporting an increasingly complex project, I think

jerry ,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I run fedia.io. I also run Infosec.pub. Which is lemmy so I know a lot about both. Lemmy is much more robust, but I personally find the interface for Mbin much nicer and the development of it seems to be headed in a direction I like better than that of lemmy. At least for now.

Treedrake OP ,
@Treedrake@fedia.io avatar

Thanks for answering! Nothing against fedia, after all I'm posting from here, just asked out of curiosity.. would've been fun if the local magazines were somewhat more active. Though I guess there lies the fediverse's strength, of being able to post and read in this collection for example.

jerry ,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

There’s a reason for that. About a year ago, Reddit started to implode. I set up Infosec.pub and Fedia to give people an alternative. There was a huge influx of people here creating all sorts of magazines, the same that you would see on Reddit. Fedia ran kbin at the time and it had all manner of problems, and over time people sort of wandered away. Either because they were tired of the problems or because they went back to Reddit.

In any event, what we see in the local magazines is the remnants of that initial migration. I really need to go and clean them up.

Now that Fedia is on mbin, things are much better. We still have issues now and then, but generally things work well.

Atelopus-zeteki ,

Thanks for this! I escaped Reddit to Kbin.social to Kbin.run, and now landed at Fedia.io. I need to reconstruct some of the communities I started on the previous two. And will soon. It's just gotten a bit busy IRL.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Jerry … admin of many instances!

the development of it seems to be headed in a direction I like better than that of lemmy

Just curious what sorts of things you have in mind here … it’s been a while since I used a k/mbin platform? (I was on kbin.social, RIP, hopefully it returns).

kenkenken ,
@kenkenken@fedia.io avatar

An offtopic but federation is not working on fedia.io right now.

MyOpinion , (edited )

Looks like Lemmy is the way to go. I really like how well it works.

DarkThoughts ,

Better UI & UX.
As long as federation works it does not matter whether they are Lemmy communities or mbin magazines. So, why use Lemmy when you can make use of the same communities on mbin?

Treedrake OP ,
@Treedrake@fedia.io avatar

At least earlier there have been quite a few problems with federation not working between KBin and Lemmy, posts and comments not syncing. It does seem better now but at the same time it's hard to know if you're missing a few comments or threads or whatnot.

DarkThoughts ,

A lot of the major federation issues in kbin were already fixed on mbin. Also, there were at least two major federation issues caused by Lemmy updates, which had nothing to do with kbin nor mbin and affected Lemmy instances accordingly as well. Of course, new issues can arise, but that also goes for Lemmy, or even just ActivityPub in general. But overall federation seems to be working fairly well right now.

SteveFromMySpace ,

Kbin’s issues stemmed from lack of upkeep. Ernest is a good dude who did his best but he was truly a one-person operation and it showed over time. Mbin doesn’t have those issues.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

I’m struggling to see how the UI is better in mbin. Maybe I just use the site differently, I also don’t care about mastodon/ following users.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6cfa4cf7-6dc6-4494-bc19-6574e6558cc3.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/149427f4-ba8f-48d2-bd6f-e0c8777e868b.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/dbbdd2b2-d2c0-4d7b-acb9-208abfe567d6.png

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

the interface to all the exact same content, as you point out, is better.

why would i use an incredibly shitty interface that almost requires the use of an app, when i can access 100% of lemmy from mbin?

this whole 'lemmy-centric' view you have of the fediverse is archaic. you need to think bigger.

the whole point of the fediverse is access to all the content from your interface of choice... and youre asking 'why choose the better interface?'

cron ,

The approach could be to use the lemmy server software and a custom UI, not a whole new server-side project like kbin/mbin.

Examples:

simple ,

I love the front-ends as well but it feels like every Lemmy update breaks something there. Alexandrite still hasn’t updated to 0.19.5 (since most instances are still on 0.19.3 due to image caching issues), and upvotes/downvotes still don’t show up in my instance.

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Everything you listed is opinions and he is asking for actual reasons to use it.

To op:

There is no benefit to either. Test out a few frontends and choose the one you like the most. The differences are minimal.

SteveFromMySpace ,

You can make these great points without the digs lol

halm ,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

this whole ‘lemmy-centric’ view you have of the fediverse is archaic.

More like narrow, but we see that all over. Mastodon users think microblogging is the end-all, be-all of the fediverse, even ignoring the loads of other, similar server software in that sector. Lemmy users talk about the fediverse as if it’s only community-based forums.

In the meantime I guess, say, Peertube users are over in the other end of the room scratching their heads.

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