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Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Fellas, it’s time to pay respects to Larry the Bird. He was only caught doing what he did best: tweeting.

At least Mastodon doesn’t risk getting bought by a multi billionaire.

SkaveRat ,

and instead of tweeting, people are now x-creting

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Joke of the century

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

If you want greater adoption, especially for Twitter users, then we should be evangelising Misskey and Calckey/Firefish over Mastodon, especially given the feature set more closely mirrors Twitter.

philm ,

Calckey/Firefish

Much more beautiful than mastodon IMHO

Thanks for the info about the other projects.

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@lemmy.one avatar

I just have no idea these platforms are out there or how to get to them from lemmy

Clbull ,

Gonna play devil’s advocate here.

If Elon is truly able to turn The App Formerly Known As Twitter into an ‘everything app’ that’s actually worth using, this could be a bone-headed move that pays off in dividends. It depends on what he plans to introduce to X within the next year or two. Transforming X into a messaging app won’t be enough.

Musk’s line of thought here isn’t completely asinine. Let’s not deny that superapps like LINE, WeChat, Alipay, Taobao and others exist, and absolutely dominate the digital landscape in their own regions.

Problem is, Twitter already has stiff competition. Threads is by far its largest competitor, and the moment Zuckerberg implements hashtags and trending topics, X is going to hemorrhage users.

This is honestly the direction Steve Huffman should’ve taken with Reddit instead of jacking up API prices and gouging every third-party app out of existence. Imagine if RPAN became a legitimate monetized mobile livestreaming platform instead of some dumb social experiment with seriously limited broadcasting times/broadcasters at once, or if Spez allowed content creators to sell access to premium content á la Tumblr Post+, Fansly, Patreon or OnlyFans. Enough e-girls have been astroturfing the shit out of Reddit to plug their paywalled collection of nudes, so may as well cut out the middle-man and drive OF out of business.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, you know what those have in common? They all started providing one service more successfully than anyone else on that market and slowly accreted functionality in the absence of a popular local dedicated service. Twitter is not that, was never going to be that, and it is not becoming that, certainly not with a skeleton crew. The same goes for Reddit, which was certainly bigger than people think but not big enough to pull that move. It may have grown into a OF alternative specifically, just from having a foot on that business already, but that's about it.

We do have one of those "everything apps" here, though. It's called Facebook. Terminally online people don't realize, but there are millions of people right now buying and selling used stuff, dating, watching videos and exchanging business information over it, even without accounting for the rest of the Meta ecosystem.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Facebook already tried to do the “everything app” and it failed in the US.

And Mark Zuckerberg is a million times more competent at business than Elon.

SkaveRat ,

especially since mark doesn’t fire all the compentent people the second they bring up a problem

Shikadi ,

That makes sense until you realize he already made a company called x.com that failed, and it’s the source of his fortune

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How many people would trust Elon Musk with their banking details? I doubt enough to make the $44 billion worth it.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah, how bad does it reflect on someone’s credit report if they don’t pay their rent and other bills for many months?

Maybe that sort of thing doesn’t count on the credit report for a billionaire (because they don’t have to follow any rules), but it counts for most people.

I wouldn’t even trust a thin dime with Elon Musk given the way he operates.

ttmrichter ,

I wouldn’t trust Musk to tell me the time of day without double-checking on at least three other clocks to make sure.

assassin_aragorn ,

Musk’s line of thought here isn’t completely asinine. Let’s not deny that superapps like LINE, WeChat, Alipay, Taobao and others exist, and absolutely dominate the digital landscape in their own regions.

It isn’t a bad thought, but it should be quickly apparent that an American equivalent might not work. The West isn’t the same as those regions. There’s a complex interplay of culture, history, and the current market scene. A good business person would recognize the possibility that it might not work and just do exploratory work. Musk in his arrogance thinks he can make it happen regardless

ttmrichter ,

If Elon is truly able to turn The App Formerly Known As Twitter into an ‘everything app’ that’s actually worth using…

That opening conditional (emphasis added) is carrying a whole lot of weight…

min_fapper ,

A bunch of people discussed in another thread why that doesn’t make sense: iusearchlinux.fyi/comment/976118

For 44 billion, he could have started a rival platform from scratch and paid people $100 each as a sign up bonus. That would be for over 400 million customers.

FinalBoy1975 ,

He didn’t want to buy the company. So, he’s turning it into a pet project. The end. The oxymoron here of this story: The winners of the 44 billion Musk payed for it probably don’t care that their creation is being run into the ground while the users of the platform are obviously in an uproar. In the end, the creators and founders, etc. did it for the money, not the cultural impact they would have on the world. Twitter’s former CEO has allowed himself to be interviewed from time to time to say what he thinks Musk is doing wrong, but he doesn’t seem to have any hurt feelings or express any kind of extreme regrets for the company being sold. From what I’ve seen in the news, he’s pretty dry. The drama comes from the user end. This tells me something about how, in the end, it’s just rich people doing business and doing as they please with what they please. It’s kind of sad. Like, let’s say I made something really cool with my own two hands and my creation got turned into something monstrous. I’d be upset. The people who made twitter are happy with their riches. In the end, the outrage and scandal is kind of pointless because it’s just a thing that makes more money for big business rich tech people and it always was just that.

Philolurker ,

He didn’t want to buy the company. So, he’s turning it into a pet project.

That’s a good point, and one that had not occurred to me. For all we know, he’s already mentally written off the $44 billion as a loss and is just having fun with it, with no expectation of success.

That would explain a lot.

FinalBoy1975 ,

The fact that he did not want to buy it for the price he had to buy it for is enough for me to conclude that he doesn’t give two shits about it. The ones he bought it from don’t give two shits, either. It’s just money. For Musk, money lost. For the former owners of Twitter, money gained. The rest is just blah blah blah to them. This is not so for the users of Twitter. It means much more to them socially than it does to the people who bought it and sold it. This, for me, is fascinating as a social phenomenon. Fascinatingly sad in a lot of ways.

Jakeroxs ,

Just to add in, X.com was something Elon wanted to do all the way back in PayPal days, basically a line/wechat with PayPal abilities.

ttmrichter ,

It’s not his $44 billion, though.

The people who ACTUALLY paid for it are going to have a few words with him, probably, at some point.

Invertedouroboros ,

It’s like Elon has read every book with an evil corporation in it and decided to make it his whole ascetic. X corp, sounds like the big bad that some plucky band of YA book protagonists have to team up to take down.

rm_dash_r_star ,
@rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee avatar

Um yeah, I’m not seeing that. You can see monthly active users on the-federation.info/platform/21 and it’s been fluctuating up and down, no big jump. So I call bullshit on that article based on the metric there. Though no doubt as Twitter (X) implodes Mastodon will see the fallout with higher activity.

WhoRoger ,
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

Is that why I’ve seen more people today wanting to bitch about politics in completely random threads?

Squidquid ,

Can anyone help explain how to find content worth following on Mastodon? I made an account today and despite going through the category I’m finding it difficult to find content or people I want to follow. The few things I’ve found end up just being Lemmy communities which kind of defeats the purpose of having a mastadon account at all… maybe it’s because I never had a Twitter, but the Lemmy/reddit/forum layout makes much more sense to me

jupiter_rowland ,

@Squidquid Option #1: Search for a hashtag. If it exists, and it's halfway active, follow it. No, I'm not kidding you, you can do that on Mastodon.

Option #2: the people section on fediverse.info.

Option #3: No matter which instance you're on, go to mastodon.social with your Web browser and search it for interesting hashtags. This may reveal to you more people who are interested in those topics/write about those topics.

Also, if you want to learn more about the Fediverse beyond Lemmy (and beyond Mastodon, for that matter), go follow [email protected]. It's a public forum on Friendica. You'll learn soon enough what Friendica is.

pumpensumpf ,

One idea is to browse the hashtag and follow people whose introductions sound promising to you. The hashtag might also be useful. If you want to follow scholars and scientists, there is this list grouped by discipline: github.com/nathanlesage/academics-on-mastodonAnd in general, you can follow hashtags on Mastodon, e.g. “” for pictures of plants.

Kaldo ,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

Unfortunately this is not the fault of mastodon, its community or tech behind it as much as ... nobody from twitter actually moving to mastodon. There aren't many big influencers, companies or content creators on mastodon so your feed is just random people talking about random stuff. The lack of algorithm doesn't help either since someone's random showerthoughts have the same chance of showing up for you as does something trending that you'd actually be interested in.

Boiglenoight ,

Follow / pin active hashtags. I have 4, and . I’m a simple man

Kaldo ,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

And then I get even more random irrelevant crap because everyone talking about their latest rp adventures in stardew valley tags steam, gaming, indiegaming and other general hashtags.

Boiglenoight ,

There’s some of that, but I prefer it for something like micro blogging. I want to see different things, points of view. By contrast, I’ll go to a news site for specific info. I love Mastodon because there’s a unvarnished stream of information that isn’t curated by algorithms. :D

khajimak ,
@khajimak@lemmy.world avatar

Yep, everyone I followed on Twitter went to Bluesky, some made accounts on Mastodon, but none of them stuck around

MaxPow3r11 ,

It depends on what you are into. If you like anime (for example) you could try something broad like # (anime) [no spaces and such] & then see what other hashtags people are using from there. The same with music or something. That’s what I do at least. There might be better ways but a lot of times people are into similar stuff and that can lead down different paths as well.

TORFdot0 ,

Sportsbots.xyz host mirrors of the popular sports writers. I follow thurrott from twit apple insider and 9 to 5 max. Tech meme is good for tech news headlines. I fill krebs on security as well. It’s better than twitter because it’s chronological and not algorithm fed

penguin ,

I’m interested to know which accounts to follow for lemmy news. Seems like a natural place to go when having trouble connecting like I did with fmhy before and shit just works recently.

xapr ,

It takes some effort to build up and shape your Home feed on Mastodon. One good starting point is to search for hashtags that you’re interested in, like or or whatever. It may take some trial and error to find the most popular hashtags being used in your topics of interest. Once you find the hashtags with stuff that’s interest to you, follow those hashtags so you will continue to discover new people and posts in those topics in your Home feed. Once you find interesting people posting in those hashtags, follow them. The name of the game on Mastodon is to follow, follow, follow. I’ve heard it said that your feed will get pretty good when you follow around 200 people or so.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

When is rebranding ever good for users/consumers?

ren ,
@ren@lemmy.world avatar

Most rebrands keep an element of the original or adopt how the customer refers to it. Think Dunkin dropping “Donuts” and Kentucky Friend Chicken becoming KFC.

All good.

But for Dunkin Donuts to suddenly rename itself “Place” - not so good.

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

When they change from a racist name and or mascot.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

That rebranding seems to me as just hiding past misdeeds. I’m not charitable enough to take apologies from companies at face-value, there would need to be some effort to explain and show change too.

Whirlybird ,

Twitter hasn’t even rebranded yet and an article like this comes out? Jumping the gun a bit don’t they think?

99% of the people that were leaving twitter when musk took over are still there. They’re too invested to leave. People like Steven King just keep making fools of themselves by still being there 12 months later complaining about how bad Twitter is.

Onii-Chan ,
@Onii-Chan@kbin.social avatar

These people are addicted to such a degree that they're functionally on the same level as literal junkies, just without the physical damage. Social media was such a fucking mistake, and I don't think we're ever going to recover from it within our lifetime.

Ted Kaczynski was right.

PizzasDontWearCapes ,

These people are addicted to such a degree that they’re functionally on the same level as literal junkies, just without the physical damage. Social media was such a fucking mistake,

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Onii-Chan , (edited )
@Onii-Chan@kbin.social avatar

I mean, yeah. The only 'social media' I have is kbin, and I check it once or twice a day. If it went anywhere, I wouldn't really give a shit, as I left all the major platforms years ago and adding one more to that list wouldn't bother me. Don't group me in with Twitter (x?) users because I called them out on their addiction, when I've already done what they seemingly can't.

PizzasDontWearCapes ,

Check out the app or webpage, they’ve already put in the temp X logo

Whirlybird ,

The app is still called twitter with the twitter logo, at least on iOS.

PizzasDontWearCapes ,

Well they started taking down the Twitter sign at HQ, so it’s happening

Whirlybird ,

I’m not denying that it’s happening, I’m simply saying that the rebrand hasn’t even happened on the main way people interact with twitter, yet we have article after article saying that people are leaving in droves because of the rebrand…that they haven’t seen yet.

DmMacniel ,

It did though? Twitter.com no longer shows the bird (replaced by an X). It’s loading screen is a stylised X. And x.com points to the same server.

Whirlybird ,

The app is still called twitter with the bird logo, at least on iOS.

Also what it’s called is irrelevant. It’s still twitter, it’ll still behave the same, it’s still got the 500 million users. Why would anyone leave a platform simply because it changed names and url?

DmMacniel ,

What it’s called isn’t irrelevant. Twitter blue, tweeting, Twitter and tweets are all linked to Twitter and not to X. And X is what it’s called now. So post on X and follow me on X.

Just because the App on iOS and or android haven’t been updated to reflect that change doesn’t mean it hasn’t been rebranded yet.

How it will affect the users? Well that’s to be seen. The first waves of Userscripts surely will follow soon to replace X with the bird in browsers.

Edit: just checked the twitter App on the android play store may still be named by such but is now owned by X Corp. The most generic name ever.

Whirlybird ,

Why is what it’s named relevant? Twitter blue will be renamed. Functionally nothing will change.

all-knight-party ,
@all-knight-party@fedia.io avatar

Usually a rebrand signifies a change in the direction or focus of the brand. I don't keep up with it much, so on a surface level this rebrand seems like more of a "I like it better this way" on Elon's part than a true rebrand with a point and reason.

lechatron ,
@lechatron@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder how much x.com cost to purchase, or if it was just a domain twitter/Musk had lying around.

Discotheque ,

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    lechatron ,
    @lechatron@lemmy.world avatar

    Curious if he sold it to twitter, I can’t imagine parting with a single character domain for free.

    DmMacniel ,

    He is twitter.

    jupiter_rowland ,

    @lechatron And I wonder if Musk has the balls to try and buy x.org.

    dreadedsemi ,

    I opened Twitter page and it shows login page with small x on left and big x in the middle. But only one closes the popup.

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I just checked too. And if you close popup it takes you do another login page (also with an X) but that one can’t be closed. So apparently there is no way to browse Twitter without an account now, which you could before.

    People always used to claim that getting banned from twitter meant you were cut off from important information. It’s highly debatable that there was any important information on twitter. That aside it wasn’t really true you were cut off entirely, you could still browse tweets, just couldn’t post when banned. Now it seems being banned does mean you’re cut off from reading it.

    Klear ,

    Yeah, that’s a change from while back.

    cleric10 ,

    Twitter was really good for news media and it kinda still is. Where I come from legacy media have been bought off by plutocrats who are in bed with the government and only reputable source of news are independent media which don’t have enough funding or financial backing to appear on satellite TV channels. There’s also no incentive for the incumbent to let such media flourish since legacy media is doing their dirty work. So for people like me this is a huge setback.

    User_4272894 ,

    I can fathom no world where you’d want to trade away a multi billion dollar brand for a new brand you literally can’t SEO. What, you think your brand is gonna be more impressive that the generic variable, and a part of the alphabet?

    “Follow me on Twitter” becomes “follow me on X”? “You should tweet that” becomes “you should X that”? The little blue bird on every shop window, website, and business card becomes a stylized letter that, hopefully, doesn’t look so threatening on the next iteration?

    It’s a textbook case of brand destruction. I almost regret never making a Twitter in the first place, just so I could quit today, or at any of the hundred days in the past year where it got inexplicably worse without reason.

    teolan ,
    @teolan@lemmy.world avatar

    “You should tweet that” becomes “you should X that”

    “You should X-create” that

    teolan ,
    @teolan@lemmy.world avatar

    And a tweet becomes an “X-cretion”

    notapantsday ,

    X-crement

    callmepk ,
    @callmepk@lemmy.world avatar

    And retweet it become X-Forwarded-For it

    model_tar_gz ,

    It’s just a new form of messaging called X-communication.

    oh wait.

    mauns ,

    It’s inspired by all the X-Twitter employees

    Hiccup ,

    We’re witnessing an X-tinction event in real time.

    Voli ,

    Ain’t X-ing a term for cutting something out of your life ?

    sheilzy ,

    Yes, and I was thinking how confusing it could be. A: “Hey, did you see that trend on X?” B: “What? No, I don’t talk to my ex anymore.”

    azura ,

    I should X that sounds like I should delete/close that. How apt.

    shukufuku ,

    Twitter is my ex

    WhoRoger ,
    @WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

    To me it sounds like axe.

    “Yep, brilliant. Axe it.”

    Saneless ,

    Jamie Kennedy’s show is about to become relevant again. You’ve been X’d!

    rm_dash_r_star ,
    @rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee avatar

    The little blue bird on every shop window, website, and business card becomes a stylized letter that, hopefully, doesn’t look so threatening on the next iteration?

    Haha, I know the most appropriate iteration, a red background with the X in a white circle.

    Tyfud ,

    Perhaps with each corner of the X at a 90 degree angle clockwise? You know, to add style points.

    IanM32 ,
    @IanM32@lemmy.world avatar

    It makes the X go faster, everyone knows that.

    ttmrichter ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4e18ac26-8a3d-4b95-b94d-4b2a208ebe2e.png

    ttmrichter ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a1158919-bf54-4326-b145-9298938a0d1b.png

    Master ,
    @Master@lemmy.world avatar

    Xing is short for kissing IE XOXO. So instead of tweeting we are now kissing!

    SkaveRat ,

    you should X that

    You should x-crete that

    Mars2k21 ,
    @Mars2k21@kbin.social avatar

    Its a terrible rebrand that pretty much comes because of Elon's impulses, or in other words, for shits and giggles. Regardless of this hilarious trashing of such a powerful brand, I'll have fun calling tweets "xeets" for a good week.

    player1 ,

    “Hey bros wanna see me light $40 billion on fire?”

    dangblingus ,

    The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia spent good money to never have an Arab Spring again.

    FoxBJK ,
    @FoxBJK@midwest.social avatar

    Which is nuts because they have a nationwide content filter and could just blacklist Twitter and be done with it in 5 minutes.

    elrik ,

    Please call them Elon’s x-crements instead.

    Bogasse ,

    It must be so horrible working “with” him. You’re trying to build something and every morning you must be frightened to see Elon hanging on a ladder because he thought it was so funny to draw dicks everywhere on the building, which would have you cancel everything you are working on.

    Urbanfox ,

    I’ve worked in a founder led business and this is why I quit.

    I’d spend forever working on a project to build a satellite site then suddenly we don’t want that anymore - bin the recipes we want a full main site redbrand.

    Bye.

    Bogasse ,

    Feel you, I’ve been working with this kind of person but he was pushed away a few weeks after my arrival. He still had time to make an impression though, his genius move was to tell each team that the others hated them, which had no effect because we talked to each others…

    Tygr ,

    Follow me on ten.

    ttmrichter ,

    He’s just a fan of Laurie Anderson. Give him some slack!

    Let X = X

    PipedLinkBot ,

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/watch?v=UfOK0evCqZY

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

    danielton ,
    @danielton@lemmy.world avatar

    Watch out… language is a virus!

    dangblingus ,

    Destroying the brand and ruining twitter was always the goal. There’s a good reason why Saudi Arabia fronted half of the bill…

    Hikiru ,
    @Hikiru@lemmy.world avatar

    “Hey, check out this X video”

    Anafroj ,

    He’s clearly laying the groundwork to sell it to Alphabet (Google’s parent company). /s

    Albinoss ,

    That’s exactly it. I saw a lot of people on Twitter today saying they’re only staying the fallout. It’s dumb, and yes, I’m part of the problem, though I’m staying only to update some connections on where I’m going.

    Whirlybird ,

    Those same people have “only been staying for the fallout” since musk bought it, still tweeting away dozens of times a day. They’re the same people that said they’d leave Reddit on July 1 yet are still there.

    Albinoss ,

    Completely agree. I think people are so engrained that they just don’t want to try something else.

    REdOG ,
    @REdOG@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m just here to spread the good word about old.lemmy.world

    TheArstaInventor ,
    @TheArstaInventor@kbin.social avatar

    Or Kbin! Kbin can do both microblogging and link aggregation/discussion. Tbh departing Twitter users coming to Mastodon, and reddit refugees are brought together on Kbin.

    The "all-in-one" method acomplished by Kbin is a huge feat, especially when it's built by a single person from scratch (ie; not based on lemmy codebase wise) and still much more ActivityPub compatible.

    Kbin is sadly very underrated imo.

    bassomitron ,

    It needs a mobile app to take off, imo.

    Additionally, since it is just one guy (that I’m aware of), I’m not sure how sustainable it is for him. I believe he’s been surviving off some EU grant and donations, but once the grant runs out and donations slow, the server costs for delivering content to tens of thousands of users every day are going to start being pretty rough to handle. Has he explained what his plan is for long term sustainability?

    1chemistdown ,
    @1chemistdown@kbin.social avatar

    @ArtemisApp is in beta right now. @hariette has been hard at work. I look forward to trying it soon. Hopefully. I’m not on discord, and that’s where most people are getting beta.

    can ,

    There’s a beta sign up form. I got an invite and I was never on the discord. I believe open beta is very soon anyway though.

    1chemistdown ,
    @1chemistdown@kbin.social avatar

    I’m on the form. Been on there for a bit. Mostly I like pointing out that an app is being actively developed for kbin, and that I have never used it so I cannot tell you more.

    I think lemmy people should know that @hariette has previously stated that Artemis will work there too. At least, I’m pretty sure they said that. Children have turned my brain to mush and my memory is about as reliable as a 3 year old.

    kglitch ,

    It was one guy until recently. But now if you look at the Kbin commits, it looks like 3 or 4 people. It's growing.

    https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/commits/branch/develop

    BeigeAgenda ,
    @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

    Great for the fediverse there’s many different codebases.

    Azzu ,

    I feel that’s a feature of Lemmy to not do both. I don’t care about microblogs. I want the sites that I use to do one thing and do it as well as possible, so I can mix & match what I use, and not see what I don’t want.

    Number358 ,

    The thing is, it’s not forced into your feed or anything. If you want to see microblogs, you have to go to the microblogs tab

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Can’t wait for Lemmy Enhancement Suite.

    Because LES is more.

    FoxBJK ,
    @FoxBJK@midwest.social avatar

    Honestly my favorite thing about Lemmy so far is that the web UI already has most of the things I wanted RES to have. And it’s all open source so we can just improve the UI directly. No need for browser changes!

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Same!

    Though I do miss the content/comment filters that RES could do!

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