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Can an average person who works a full time job become capable enough to rival a secret agent like James Bond or John Wick on their own ?

If so what kind of training they would have to go through ? By training I mean the spatial and situational awareness, combat skills (this is kinda unrealistic), enough knowledge to turn any situation to their advantage etc.

Just think of the person as your average joe who financially has nothing to spend on high tech gadgets or state of the art training equipment. And doesn’t even have any support from another human being. Basically one has to train from the ground up alone.

Don’t limit the answers to just James Bond and John wick, you can even consider any realistically possible superhero or supervillain (like batman or taskmaster) as well.

So what’s your take ?

Dalek_Thal ,
@Dalek_Thal@aussie.zone avatar

This is for a friend, right?

TokenBoomer ,

This some Mall Ninja Shit.

Donebrach ,
@Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

Not even, anyone worth their mall already knows the only step you need to take to achieve this goal is to buy The Katana.

MaggiWuerze ,

And study it of course

Donebrach ,
@Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

The act of purchase is equivalent to living 100 years as Roronoa Zoro.

gunpachi OP ,

Haha. Now imagine doing a santoryu onigiri

danhakimi ,

I don't think any secret agent could rival any of those fictional characters. They have incredible plot armor, depending on the scenario. James Bond is an idiot who fucks every woman who moves, even when he knows they're there to trap him, but has a magic dick that hypnotizes them onto his side.

Batman with prep time is an unstoppable force who could take down every army in the world at once if he really needed to.

No, no human can compare to these characters.

amitten ,
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Hehe… magic dick.

intensely_human ,

I know a man whose dick is like heroin. Unfortunately he’s also completely immoral, so he’s fucked up a lot of women’s lives. Or rather, their brains. He’s fucked up their brains.

TheDarkKnight ,

Batman seems like a potentially plausible reality in the future, factoring in a fuck ton of money AND the Batcomputer, one of the most underrated aspects pf the character. Assuming he’s working with next gen tech on the computer you could plausibly consider that the Batcomputer has some incredible AI capabilities that could give his normal power set to a real world person (to a degree). It could make plans, develop new bat gadgets, research, create work out and training regiments, etc etc. Wouldn’t fit for OP’s question but someone could eventually become somewhat of a Batman in the future with enough drive and money.

obinice ,
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I’m not sure I can trust your judgement in this matter, TheDarkKnight.

TheDarkKnight ,

Lmao, yeah…these are the things I spend my days thinking about lol

vinceman ,

Aka The Green Hornet

danhakimi ,

Hasn't Batman also, in some media, gone blow for blow with Superman-level opponents without dying? Like, he's not as strong as them, and superhuman strength isn't technically a superpower he has, but...

No. Even if you could match the current fictional character's tech and computing power and budget and incoherent physical strength, those really are not what make Batman Batman. It's the intellect, the iron will, the sheer level of badassery that can only be achieved in fiction where an author has him appear behind the villain just to show what an impossible nightmare Batman truly is.

Being able to pretend that he's Bruce Wayne sometimes certainly helps, though. He's a good actor.

TheDarkKnight ,

Yep! He’s defeated Darkseid even (I mean technically it was a team effort but Batman executes the Coup De Grace).

Idk if Batman could deal with a real world Superman in our plausible semi-future scenario, but some aspects pf the character could for sure be emulated I think at a certain technological point of time :-)

Aussiemandeus ,
@Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone avatar

Well they say its ten thousand hours of practice to master a skill right.

Assuming you already work 8 and sleep 8 travel and maintenance stuff for 2 that leaves you 6 houra a day to dedicate to one aspect of spy craft.

That would take roughly 4 and a half years.

So then you’re an expert in firearms

Now you need to learn hand to hand combat so again 10000 hours but you need to maintain currency with firearms so you only have 5 hours a day to practice now it’s nearly 5 and a half years to become an expert.

So we’re at 10 years to learn gun control and hand to hand combat.

Havent even touched on spatial awareness stuff along with driving flying jet ski riding and seduction.

Mothra ,
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Okay, so if you start in your early 20s, you might make it by the time you are in your 50s. We can also use some hours over the weekend. This sounds like a totally doable thing

nevernevermore ,

It’s also way more doable if you quit your current job and find another career that will not only encourage training in these areas, but financially compensate you for it, too.

Mothra ,
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What are we waiting for??!?!

nilloc ,

…and just like that, another dickhead cop is created.

gunpachi OP ,

I guess joining the military may help. Especially since one can get a lot of training with guns there.

As much as I would like to attempt, my chances are close to none because of low vision.

rwhitisissle ,

Now that would be an interesting movie. You have a guy who really loved action hero movies as a kid and spent his life honing those skills. Not because he really wants to kill anyone, but just because it’s fun. He spends his professional career as a mundane office worker until one day a group of terrorists take over his office building and plan on killing everyone inside. He has to fight his way through multiple floors of trained killers to get to the top so he can take down the chief bad guy, The Raid/Judge Dredd style. Realistically, he would definitely die within like 2 minutes from getting shot in the back of the head, but it’s still a fun setup for an “unlikely hero” action movie.

jawsua ,

He’s a sysadmin and he doesn’t do downtime

gunpachi OP ,

This used to be one my daydreams as a teenager. Except in real life, I couldn’t consistently train like I wanted.

After reading Atomic Habits by James clear last year - I realized how much I could have improved during those years had I kept at it.

But just like you said everything can be ended anytime with a single gun shot or some quick stabs from the back.

TeaHands ,
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It would probably help if their full time job was already secret agent.

I always find the bit that takes me out of those characters is that they seem to speak, like, every language. I know polyglots exist, but the time it would take on top of the time all their other skills would take? Not only to learn, but to maintain fluency? There’s literally not enough hours in the day.

CameronDev ,

You can train as much as you like, and have all the resources in the world, but until they invent real world plot armor, you would get wrecked by a stray bullet almost instantly. There are no realistically possible super heros.

Weird link, it goes to a Google Summer of Code post for me.

GCanuck ,

I remember something a friend said to me once. We were watching an action movie and during a well choreographed sequence I said something about wanting to be able to fight like that. My friend said, “sorry, you’ve only got one life”.

Nothing is impossible, but after a certain point in life, you’re simply unable to achieve that which would take a lifetime to master.

TheButtonJustSpins ,

When you say “taskmaster,” I assume you don’t mean Greg Davies, right?

gunpachi OP ,

I meant the one from Marvel comics. White costume, and can copy any move that he sees.

xmunk ,

No, because those characters are fantastical. You can stay in great shape if that’s your priority and engage in martial arts and other fighty things, but they take a lot of time and dedication.

Touching_Grass ,

How autistic would this person be

gunpachi OP ,

That is a valid take. I also agree with this person who I assume, has touched grass.

I know that is a B.S question But I wanna know how close one can get own their own.

intensely_human ,

Hopefully about 50%. That gives them the ability to think in parallel which is necessary for the kind of instantaneous planning that Wick and Bond display, but still allows them to read social cues.

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