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Can an average person who works a full time job become capable enough to rival a secret agent like James Bond or John Wick on their own ?

If so what kind of training they would have to go through ? By training I mean the spatial and situational awareness, combat skills (this is kinda unrealistic), enough knowledge to turn any situation to their advantage etc.

Just think of the person as your average joe who financially has nothing to spend on high tech gadgets or state of the art training equipment. And doesn’t even have any support from another human being. Basically one has to train from the ground up alone.

Don’t limit the answers to just James Bond and John wick, you can even consider any realistically possible superhero or supervillain (like batman or taskmaster) as well.

So what’s your take ?

sofiacarson ,

If your tap tap shots skills are good, it is completely possible. Everything will be successful.

Omega_Haxors ,

I’m sorry, no mortal can withstand the sheer level of alcohol that 007 goes through on a day to day basis.

gunpachi OP ,

True. Too much martini can fuck up anyone that is not 007 himself.

intensely_human ,

If you want to develop spatial and situational awareness, all you need to do is grow up as a victim of parental abuse. You’ll know everything happening in a 50 yard radius for the rest of your life.

Being homeless helps a bit too, especially if you experience some violence while homeless. As many homeless victims of random violence have discovered, the police will not help you at all.

source: personal experience

gunpachi OP ,

I have a similar experience, although it may not be comparable to yours.

I grew up in a very strict household. My parents constantly checked up on me while I was a teenager and that too in a super sneaky way. At first I used to get jumpscared then I gradually became more aware of my surroundings (even through earphones on with music on low volume)

So I can confirm that this works. Its like using subconcious fear to boost sensory input I guess.

rbesfe ,

If John wick was a real human being with a regular human body he would be dead so quickly

gunpachi OP ,

He also had that bullet resistant suit on him which helped a ton. There’s a video by the Hacksmith to recreate the suit but obviously real world results were nowhere near John Wick’s suit.

AMillionNames ,

These have some implied requirements like being ivy league material and a certified patriot. They are also both essentially superprodigies who can only exist in fiction.

You can take a self-defense class, though. Get someone to train you with weapons and parkour, and you are all set to be an average person with self-defense, gun training, and some novice-level parkour abilities.

Mambert ,

Just work out after work, train on the weekends, and you’ll be better than a majority of people. And isn’t that enough most of the time?

CanadaPlus ,

Are we in an action movie? In real life both of those gentlemen would die immediately. It’s extremely difficult to beat 2 people in a fair fight even for the best fighters, let alone more like in John Wick. James Bond is pretty much a meme for villains that make it really easy for him to escape.

In an action movie… Well, thinking like a writer I guess it would be a bit like the adult version of Home Alone.

In real life, I guess what’s the test? If it’s bodycount (and morality aside), see every mass shooting. If it’s taking down a major organisation from within, see whistleblowers like Edward Snowden. If it’s looking really cool see a fitness influencer or something.

devils_advocate ,

it would be a bit like the adult version of Home Alone

Ah. So Skyfall then

SecretPancake , (edited )

Their biggest strength, aside from fantasy physical strength, is years and years of experience in the field. You could train every aspect of it individually, in the end it’s all theory. It’s like every other job, only their jobs don’t exist, to the extend that they do it.

I’d say the closest that you could come to it is if you would join the French foreign legion or something.

Another factor that’s missing in the real world are the gadgets and impossible armors. Without that they wouldn’t survive this long.

init ,
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Not only that, but Bond has an entire agency and thousands of people supporting him and his activities. There really are things you can’t do yourself while in a heated situation that have to be done.

IphtashuFitz ,

Not to mention technology that couldn’t possibly work in the real world. The Mythbusters have tested a few of his gadgets…

lauha ,

Their biggest strength is the plot shield

Encode1307 ,

No, no real human can become as capable as James Bond or John Wick even if they dedicate 24/7 to it.

shiveyarbles ,

Sorry I can’t talk about it

lemmyseizethemeans ,

The UK Version of The Office had a great scene where the weekend warrior office nerd opines ‘will there ever be a boy born… Who can swim faster than a shark’

el_abuelo ,

You are referring to “The Office”

The US Version of “The Office” is the clone, so please do not denigrate the classic.

Note: I prefer the US version. This is not a comment on which one is preferred or better.

lemmyseizethemeans ,

I am referring to the UK version as I have not seen the US version out of principle

zeusbottom ,

John Wick and James Bond and superheroes and supervillains are not realistically possible. Otherwise we would have them.

Froyn ,

Bezos and Musk aren't doing us any favors over here.

intensely_human ,

Both John Wick and James Bond are secret people with cover stories. We don’t know whether there are people like that or not, because by their nature they are hidden from public view.

zeusbottom ,

Pile Of Gangster Bodies Discovered At Pier 17, Film At 11

HobbitFoot ,

The closest equivalent I would think of are existing special forces of different militaries.

You first need the physical and mental ability to even be considered. From that, the military will then invest a lot in weapons, combat, and other training.

The closest outside of government training is maybe MMA, but that is only close combat. Even then, people dedicate their entire non-work time for years to get to that level.

rwhitisissle ,

I remember a video on youtube from a long time ago about an MMA fighter who got into a fight at a bar in, I think, Brazil. There were multiple guys with knives. Know what he did? He fucking booked it and still almost died. The reality is that the reason John Wick and James Bond win fights against multiple armed opponents is because the script demands it. In real life you would die almost instantly against greater numbers or armed opponents, regardless of how well trained you are or if you’re special forces or a secret agent. Because you don’t have plot armor.

HobbitFoot ,

I completely agree. Hell, this is why Bruce Lee carried a gun with him.

I was just looking at the closet real life equivalents. In reality, a person put in that position would likely be dead.

devils_advocate ,

Then again, Gurkhas exist.

Omega_Haxors ,

My favorite video was a martial artist explaining how to win in a knife fight. He gets into a fighting pose, the fight starts, and then he runs away as fast as he can. EDIT: It was a military guy www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvlrnc7hlQI

intensely_human ,

Surely there are human development programs that aren’t disclosed to the public. Special forces are the ones we know about.

HobbitFoot ,

I would be surprised. We know about MK-ULTRA and other programs, and those involved drugs like psychedelics.

If we are talking about a program that involves training that anyone could afford, special forces and MMA seem like the best equivalent you could model that training off of.

shartworx ,

Consider Bruce Lee. Dedicated his time to mastering multiple martial arts. Died of edema at 32 years old. No opponents. It’s possible he drank too much water.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

No, there are very specialized aspects of their professions that people in other professions don’t get.

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