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waterbogan ,

No personal experiences per se, but my partner has good friends whose son got briefly entangled with the HA, they ripped him off and fucked up his life a treat, not good people. But they are far from the worst gang here

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    electric_nan OP ,

    Eh, thanks but I’m not moving just because of this. I don’t think it’s a positive development, but neither do I expect drastic changes. This has always been an area they would have been comfortable in, honestly (history of illicit economy, rural hills, etc).

    ParanoidFactoid ,
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    Don’t wear their colors, patches, or gang jackets. UNLESS YOU’RE A MEMBER. Leave them alone. If you’re on the road, let them pass. They typically follow road rules and group riding rules, so follow them back. And let them pass.

    It goes without saying, don’t poke the bear.

    artaxthehappyhorse ,
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    I’ve always wondered, in the colder regions of the world in winter, what do motorcycle gangs do?

    I guess the answer is sell drugs and punch people?

    Ajen ,

    Wear an extra layer?

    artaxthehappyhorse ,
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    You must not have experienced a Chicago/New York winter before

    Lazylazycat ,
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    I’m in the UK and Imo they’re not good people. I know several tattooists who have been threatened/had their place trashed by them when they’ve opened a shop in my city.

    I also went to a Hells Angels bar once when a music event was being hosted there and they were awful people. Charged more for drinks if they didn’t like the look of someone, one guy threatened me because a glass fell on the floor and smashed (it was nowhere near me) and made me clean it up. I’m a small woman, I was scared, so I did it and left 😬

    espentan ,

    Their members feel like boys the size of men, incapable of realizing that the public view them as a moronic nuisance, and not cool or tough.

    fag /faɡ/

    noun: fag; plural noun: fags

    A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley Davidson motorcycle.

    (South Park)

    theKalash ,

    I’m not a faggot, yet, but I’m bike-curious.

    TopShelfVanilla ,

    Shhhh, squid in training. He’s not talking about you.

    theKalash ,

    Sorry, help me our here. I have no idea what that means.

    TopShelfVanilla ,

    The squidracingteam sub all refer to themselves and each other as homo regardless of actual sexual orientation. I assumed you to have been one of them as it’s a common joke with them. Squid is used as a description of sportbike riders for how they tend to dart through traffic. My apologies for misinterpreting your use of the joke.

    theKalash ,

    Nope, I had no idea about that.

    This a reference to a South Park episode, where they change the meaning of the word “faggot” to mean “annoying harley riders”. Even all the gay people are on board with it.

    It’s pretty funny (South Park - Season 13 Episode 12 “The F Word”)

    1847953620 ,

    Do we have a squid racing team in the Fediverse? Be cooler if we did.

    TopShelfVanilla ,

    Not that I have seen

    Ajen ,

    *CalamariRaceTeam

    TopShelfVanilla ,

    Yeah, them.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    It might be a backronym, but “squid” has been also defined as “ Stupidly Quick, Underdressed and Imminently Dead”.

    Astroturfed ,

    I really wish we could of made that the official definition after the episode.

    TheBawbe83 ,

    In my last job we had a Hells Angels Supporter Clubhouse on our complex… well, we never had any problems with them, and our encounters mostly comprised of a “good morning” or something like that. Sometimes they held barbecues where i attended and, what can i say, just a bunch of more or less nice motorcycle riding greybeards.

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    Stoneykins ,

    Oh, at least they got all that harmless weed and non-addictive hallucinogenics off the street… Waste of taxpayer money to fuck with that.

    electric_nan OP ,

    I kind of have to laugh at this one. Bunch of weed and shrooms and not any meth?

    sunbeam60 ,

    I have a very negative view of them.

    I’ve been the victim of violence from a HA member, for no other reason than “he decided to sit down, extremely drunk and high, at our camp at a music festival”. After offering him a beer and having a chit chat, hoping he would lose interest, he decided to start groping a 16 year old. I was the unlucky person chosen to ask him to leave. That didn’t go very well.

    Second, someone in my family unfortunately got mixed up in HA and received a prison sentence from dealing drugs. He has now escaped that environment but it left me in little doubt that there’s few “noble knights” in that group, only drug-dealing gang-members.

    Thirdly the country I come from has witnessed multiple wars between immigrant gangs and HA, as well as between HA and Bandidos. At one point they were firing stolen anti-tank rockets into a building where the rival gang was having a party. It’s hard to have a great impression of someone who chooses to fire an AT-4 in through a building.

    So yeah, HA no thanks.

    Destraight ,

    What do you mean it didn’t go well? You’re not being specific enough

    sunbeam60 ,

    It meant I got a couple of punches and as a scared 17-year being punched by a drunk Hells Angels member, I took it and did nothing.

    ConstableJelly ,

    No need to qualify that you “did nothing,” my friend. From what you described, you had the courage to stand up when drawing the short stick (because nothing made you follow through when you were “chosen”) and then you kept yourself and everyone else as safe as possible by not retaliating. Can you imagine how things might have escalated if you had?

    You have my sincere respect for what you’ve described here.

    m0darn ,

    I agree /u/sunbeam60 is tough as nails.

    Valmond ,

    Sweden right? Or Denmark if not so I guess.

    I mean it’s not the same there as in the USA I GUESS at least.

    whyNotSquirrel ,
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    in Europe?!

    Living in France I had no idea what those HA are and thought it was an American thing

    waterbogan ,

    Yes, my partner has good friends whose son got briefly entangled with the HA, they ripped him off and fucked up his life a treat, not good people. But they are far from the worst gang here

    cwagner ,

    2 local club members (a few years later, they got taken over by the Hells Angels) were hired as barkeepers (with their own Jack Daniel’s reserve) for an 18th birthday where there was no alcohol. They told us “uh, you are all sober, why don’t you take a car and get some alcohol from home?” 10/10, can recommend ;)

    apollo440 ,

    I lived close to their “national hq” in my country for years, and apart from the occasional loud motorcycle they were absolutely unnoticable. I wouldn’t even have known they were there had someone not pointed it out to me.

    As others have said, stay out of their way and they will stay out of yours.

    workerONE ,

    Hell’s Angels lived next door to me 25 years ago. Always doing meth and taking about weird stuff.

    Okalaydokalay ,

    There’s a Hell’s Angels chapter up the street from my house. Very likely because there is also a world famous road in the city that motorcyclists love to ride.

    I’m a motorcyclist as well, but I ride a sports bike and I’m not with any club. But as a rider on the streets, I see a lot of other motorcyclists and they are all generally very friendly to me when we pass each other. We do the typical waves and nods and also the alerting if one of us noticed cops in the direction of the other biker (pat your helmet to signal this to the biker on the opposing lane if you have a cop behind you or if one has a trap behind you or something similar).

    I’ve heard of beefs between the motorcycles that Hell’s Angels types ride (those Harley-like bikes) and sports bikes like mine, but I’ve never had any problems, myself.

    But I keep to myself and I don’t particularly like groups, so that may also have something to do with it.

    When driving my car, I see motorcyclists a lot as well and never had issues there either.

    As others said, you keep your distance and you’re generally okay. It’s when you get in their business or make them mad that you bring trouble directly on yourself. Though, I do agree with someone else’s sentiment that a lot of their illegal dealings do have impacts on the community, at large, so this isn’t always a sure fire way of protecting yourself. But this is what you can do, at most, to ensure you’re out of harms way. Generally they don’t want to bring attention to themselves, as making life harder for people in the area will make the cops eye their chapter more closely and that’s not good for their business.

    ExLisper ,

    So as a biker you just assume other bikers will drive recklessly and warn each one about cops?

    Manifish_Destiny ,

    Warning others of dangerous criminals like cops is good praxis.

    ExLisper ,

    Why don’t you warn all drivers than?

    lol3droflxp ,
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    Isn’t that something people do? In Germany many people flash their high beams if there is police, speed trap or danger.

    ExLisper ,

    Yes, many people want other drivers to drive recklessly without risk. I was wandering what’s the other guy’s motivation was.

    folkrav ,

    You’re basing all this on a whole lot of assumptions:

    • The only way one can get a ticket is because they were reckless
    • Driving outside the law, regardless of time and place, is automatically risky
    • Speed traps really make the roads safer for everyone
    ExLisper ,
    1. I’m assuming you’re warning other drivers because you think they can change their behavior and avoid a fine. If it’s unavoidable why warn them? It’s not going to help anyone. So yeah, you can get a ticket for other things but reckless driving is the main one you can easily avoid when warned ahead of time.
    2. Yes, driving outside the law is always risky. It’s not up to individual drivers to decide when it’s ‘safe’ to break the law. It’s stupid to think that you can just decide that the laws do not apply to you because ‘you know better’. Every single driver breaking the law thinks that they know better or that they can do it because they are a better driver than everyone else. Drivers like that can just go fuck themselves.
    3. Speed traps that are clearly marked and enforce speed limit instead of just fining unsuspecting drivers do make roads safer.
    JoBo ,

    Warning people of speed traps causes them to drive more safely, not less. Only cops get upset when you do this.

    ExLisper ,

    Where I live all speed traps are clearly marked. Yes, their purpose should be to make people slow down, not catch them by surprise. But we’re talking about warning about caps,nort just speed traps. If it’s just unmarked speed traps I agree.

    Manifish_Destiny ,

    Because where I live cops are violent thugs and I don’t want some dude whos only crime is speeding to get shot for it.

    ExLisper ,

    I assume it’s in the US? So you warn all the other drivers? Is it by flashing long beams like in Europe?

    Manifish_Destiny , (edited )

    Toggle lights off and on. Still hard to do. Often people are too stupid to understand and turn on their brights just to be a jackass.

    Sounds like you’re European, which explains some of your beliefs.

    In the US, cops steal more than burglars: washingtonpost.com/…/cops-took-more-stuff-from-pe…

    Lie constantly about the violence they commit: mappingpoliceviolence.org

    Plant evidence constantly:

    latimes.com/…/prosecutors-dismiss-charges-after-d…

    npr.org/…/baltimore-police-caught-planting-drugs-…

    thecity.nyc/…/edny-fbi-investigating-nypd-drug-pl…

    and arrest black and brown people at a ridiculous rate: ppic.org/…/racial-disparities-in-california-arres…

    sentencingproject.org/…/report-to-the-united-nati…

    That doesn’t even touch on our for-profit prison system and qualified immunity which allows them to get away with it more often than not.

    In the US, they are nothing more than the gang that has ways to extort you.

    stergro , (edited )

    A friend joined them to get protection because he got beaten a lot. He left again after his first drug trafficking job was offered to him. (and fortunately he was allowed to leave because he didn’t know enough yet)

    My schoolmates rented a club house for parties and the bikers wanted to do the security themselves. The have beaten people and kicked one drunken guy lying on the floor who argued too much with them. Completely unprofessional.

    This was late 2000s in rural Germany.

    rez_doggie ,

    They are mostly racist tweaker assholes

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