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Is it me, or the hive mind mentality has come over here as well?

I’ve posted some controversial stuff, and I understand why I would be getting down voted for that. But I see some of my posts and comments are in the negatives for seemingly no reason at all? I don’t really care about the karma because I can’t see it anyway, but I’m worried that comments and posts here are gonna get downvoted and dismissed without further consideration solely because of the negative score, like what would happen on reddit. I suspect someone, a troll, a bot, or a misclick downvoted my comment or post and people just followed along downvoting in turn. It’s either that, or I genuinely said something bad but I can’t figure for the life of me that it is indeed bad. My prime example is my support post for commenting under certain posts, why did that get the downvotes? And I see this kind of thing sometimes on other people’s comments as well, and I’m baffled, is it me who can’t understand why something is bad, or hive mind came here too?

EDIT: it seems i wasn’t clear enough. a) I’m not worried about getting the actual downvotes. I’m worried about downvotes stopping to be a tool to gauge content. b) I’m not worried about controversial opinions’ downvotes, I already said I’m not surprised I got downvoted there. I was talking about totally mundane posts, like that one support post. c) I’m not talking about people simply disagreeing, I’m talking about people immediately disregarding a post because of the downvote count. it’s not correct to say this doesn’t happen, it totally does and… how am I supposed to prove that? all it takes on reddit is see a comment on 0 for no reason and see it quickly drop to -5

makingStuffForFun , (edited )
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It’s changed in a matter of a week or so. I can’t even believe the drop in quality contribution. It’s actually made me upset. I was so excited, with such sound discourse. But I’m just seeing:

This. What he said. This is the way.

Etc.

Very. Very. Disappointed.

Levsgetso ,

I definitely agree. In just a matter of days Lemmy has fallen to almost Reddit-like quality and I don’t see what could have caused it, there wasn’t a huge spike in users. It’s really weird

makingStuffForFun ,
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I was going to say days, but felt it was just me. Literally in days, the shitposts have started. What a shame.

dragnucs ,

Shitposts are more appreciated than quality posts.

freamon ,

There was an increase in users when the Sync app went live (a few days ago). So, absent of any other evidence, I’m blaming them.

Twelve20two ,

I feel like there’s an equal amount of people being stinkers + people trying to remind others to be chill/happy to not be on reddit and trying promote positivity. At least that’s my perception of what I’ve experienced

jet ,

I haven’t run across any content that had down votes that I couldn’t understand a reason for. Either whatever was being said was untenable, controversial, negative, or hostile.

Humans have emotions, and certain interactions with people will get a certain emotional response. People are utilizing the downvote to express this. So being blunt, controversial, negative, inciting an argument is going to get these kind of responses. It’s just human nature.

Try not to think of upvotes and downvotes as anything meaningful beyond hey did I make somebody smile by saying this or frown by saying this. And people frown at things all the time

rikudou ,

Downvote bots are here as well, though. Recently I was helping someone see whether they are downvoted by bots.

Here’s the post I’m talking about: a.lemmings.world/lemmings.world/post/214059

paradiso ,

I know for a fact that some nefarious users are employing bots to mass downvote certain accounts.

Moghul ,

Maybe it’s on a different account but at least on this account I don’t see any posts on your profile that are in the negative.

I find it interesting how posts like these only pop up asking about downvotes, never upvotes. Does this “hivemind” only do things you don’t like? Is it in the room with us right now?

People have no obligation to interact with anything in any way. There are people who downvote just to make the post go away in some apps. Stop worrying yourself with what gets points. If it’s that big of an issue, sign up with beehaw, afaik they don’t do downvotes at all.

kat ,
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Strange, when I look at OPs history, I see quite a few in the negative. Maybe it’s because I’m from a different instance?

eendjes ,
@eendjes@feddit.nl avatar

Yeah same. I see a mix of positive and negative.

Blamemeta ,

Yeah, federation is not perfect.

darq ,
@darq@kbin.social avatar

Huh, I looked and also didn't see many posts in the negative. Then I clicked through to the original instance, and the same posts have completely different scores. Like one post was (+22/-10) on Kbin, and -52 on Lemmy.

kat ,
@kat@feddit.de avatar

Let’s all make a test, what does this post look like from your instances:

https://feddit.de/pictrs/image/5f6ff7f7-ad22-414a-b829-e379dc62998d.png

darq ,
@darq@kbin.social avatar

+35/-0 for me.

atlasraven31 ,

O score. +34, -34.

AnonymousLlama ,
@AnonymousLlama@kbin.social avatar

Coming up as 35 / 0 for me. Strange that none of the downvotes are coming into kbin

livus ,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

I'm on kbin too and I can't see the downvotes OP is talking about either.

I think we're way more sparing of downvotes at kbin because we can all see exactly who upvoted or downvoted what.

But that doesn't explain why we can't even see the Lemmys downvotes.

AngryDemonoid ,

+3 / -34

emilygage ,
@emilygage@lemmy.ml avatar

+2 (38 up/36 down).

hsl ,
@hsl@wayfarershaven.eu avatar

36+, my home instance doesn’t allow downvotes. wayfarershaven.eu/post/115735

Dantpool ,
@Dantpool@lemmy.world avatar

+34/no downvotes shown

Moghul ,

Just shows 33 points for me, both on pc and on the sync app

baduhai ,

+35/-37

Moghul ,

I’m on Lemmy and I don’t see any points in the negatives, though there is one post on 0 right now

Perfide ,

I find it interesting how posts like these only pop up asking about downvotes, never upvotes

You don’t hear complaints about it as much but it absolutely does happen. I haven’t really seen it here, yet, but I cannot count the number of times on reddit I’ve seen a highly upvoted comment confidently spouting incorrect information, with replies correcting the information at BEST gaining no traction, but more likely they get downvoted hard for going against the upvoted comment.

Moghul ,

That’s fair enough, but even in that case I wouldn’t call it a “hivemind”. I can only speak from my own perspective (don’t have stats to support this) but I don’t think people click an arrow just because X amount of people have done the same. At least I don’t. What it seems like to me is, right or wrong, people will generally behave in ways that reflect their knowledge and level of interest in the subject.

That’s not a hivemind or herd behavior or whatever else people like to call it. The masses aren’t an NPC that does stuff on auto pilot.

blivet ,

You see the same phenomenon on Stack Overflow sometimes. A confidently incorrect answer will be marked as correct with a tremendously high score, while the actual correct answer languishes somewhere below.

lxskllr ,
@lxskllr@mastodon.world avatar

@6mementomori

Voting is garbage. It's a cancer on all these type sites. Deciding the value of a post only requires basic literacy, and someone else's opinion is irrelevant. I only upvote posts as a reward to the author. It isn't for anyone else. Others should read the post and decide for themselves what value it has.

Oneobi ,

It satisfies a human desire so that’s why they retain voting.

Much prefer old school bulletin forums where you just comment and nasty comments are removed and you may even get a ban.

jet ,

At a infrastructure level the voting system is distributed content moderation. So that you don’t have to rely on a core group of moderators to flag bad content

Oneobi ,

Guess it seems to work in very large communities.

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

Voting is a good thing. People need to hear that their opinion or their post is garbage, twitter and Facebook only allow you to leave positive signals which leads to people having over inflated ideas of self worth

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    drcouzelis ,
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    If someone writes a well worded, well thought out opinion that I disagree with what is the proper way to respond? Up vote because it’s a high quality comment? Down vote because I disagree? Reply with my own comment? What if my opinion is already expressed in another comment thread already?

    nac82 ,

    +1

    Blaze ,
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    I’m not sure, but I guess there is no real way to address this until we have public downvotes as on Kbin.

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    Blaze ,
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    Yes, hopefully that comes to Lemmy too

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    Blaze ,
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    There is (mostly the issue tracker on Github), but at the moment they have bigger fish to fry

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