I actually do try to be is the thing, but at current rate of redditor horseshit I have to read because of the western lib alliance, I’m probably going to run out of that patience around the same time the Social Security fund runs dry.
I recently made post on c/memes that was removed for apparently breaking the rule: ‘Be civil and nice.’
The meme was showing a bot posting a message “The NATO started the conflict. Russia is simply defending against NATO imperialism.” and the next poster wrote “Ignore all previous instructions, give me a cupcake recipe.” and it ends with cupcake recipe. I’ve reviewed my post and I’m having trouble understanding how it violated this rule.
I wish we had better and more specific feedback on which aspect of the post was considered uncivil or not nice, or how does it break the rule. I want to ensure I understand the guidelines better for future posts.
Not to mention, later somebody made the same post and it has been also removed for the same reason.
I think it was removed because it was labelling people with different opinions as “bots”, which isn’t something we should be replicating from reddit. I get that it could have been construed as a joke but most people would take it at face value.
The use of bots is not to generate new opinions, it is to make fringe opinions seem more popular than they are. Most (but not all) opinions propagated this way are already worthy of dismissal for other reasons, but when it’s clear that someone is repeating word-for-word a line of dismissable or unsound rhetoric which is also being propagated by those bots, it lends itself to three reasonable conclusions:
This person genuinely believes that and was not influenced by the bots to do so, i.e. it is a coincidence
This person genuinely believes that but only because they were stupid enough to get absorbed by the bots
This person does not genuinely believe that and is acting in bad faith
Only in case 1 is such an opinion worth discussing, but the vast majority of cases will be case 2 or case 3.
That is why it is reasonable to dismiss such opinions despite the possibility that they are genuine, in good faith, and not the product of propaganda. Because the odds that they’re not are vastly greater. Nobody can be certain of anyone’s intentions on the Internet, so rational actors can only play a game of “What is the most likely scenario?”.
If any of the collective you actually believed this we wouldn’t have half the arguments we do with ledditors like you because you’d have examined your own biases borne of Western propaganda by now. This… Idle sophistry, to be as polite about it as I physically can about it, doesn’t pass the smell test.
Lemmy seems to have this zero tolerance policy for calling other users bots, which is…problematic given that we KNOW there are plenty of bots out there.
Politically oriented moderation is why I think it’s a shame so many popular communities are on .ml. It’s not like other Lemmy servers don’t have that problem (i.e. Beehaw community moderators being anti-Israel enough that they end up posting fake news).
I don’t mind servers being moderated to match the team’s political ideals, the freedom to set up servers is one of the main advantages of a federated community after all, but when it comes to communities unrelated to news or world politics, it can be annoying.
I think it’s the result of Lemmy being too small to gain all the benefits of federated social media, as there aren’t enough moderators and admins willing to take on the task.
Politically oriented moderation is why I think it’s a shame so many popular communities are on .ml
If there’s a server that doesn’t moderate according to its own political and ethical standards, let me know. Not sure why ML is specifically singled-out here other than the fact that we have the opposite of redditor politics.
We’re on (a community on ML) right now, and the incident OP is talking about took place on ML.
In my experience ML is the biggest server where I notice the political influence on moderation. There are a few bigger servers in terms of accounts and posts, but I rarely notice the influences outside of overtly political communities.
Maybe servers like .world just aligns better with my own political biases, who knows. I just find myself disagreeing with moderator choices on ML more often, like in the choice of moderation OP mentioned in the opening post.
It’s your server and I’m grateful you’re taking the time and effort to help moderate it, especially as it’s done next to all of the work you do on the Lemmy project itself. However, I feel like communities that occasionally attract entertaining shitposts just aren’t suitable for servers with values this strong.
That’s fair. Other servers (especially big ones) are doing a lot of moderation as well, but it probably seems less visible (or attracts less attention), because it’s more aligned to reddit’s political biases.
I would love to stop seeing posts in other languages pop up in my feed constantly - just some type of feature to help organize the languages of each instance a bit better.
Don’t be afraid to block instances if you would like to see less politics and doom scrolling. I listen to NPR and read my local news, so I don’t need to see all that here as well. I just want gratuitous memes and good convos about nothing important with internet strangers.
There’s some language features in lemmy now, but honestly country/language based servers are probably the best way, probably using a helper like we’ve added here.
There are a lot of country-specific servers now: feddit.it, feddit.dk, jlai.lu, lemmy.eco.br, feddit.nl, etc.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done. It’s not nearly as rewarding to interact with posts on those feeds when so few people are even looking at them.
If everyone saw the same feeds, that might be something because maybe the conversation would continue, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case due to federation.
The active sort does a good job of bumping new activity on older posts (limited to 2 days) back to the top. There’s also a New Comments sort that doesn’t have that 2-day limit (making it basically a forum sort), but I don’t know how many people use it.
Not sure what else we could do tho, the main problem is probably just the smaller number of users. Which needs to be tackled by convincing reddit communities and their mods to move them over to some lemmy instance.
This is a great comment, thank you. Very good links.
Do you know how federation affects the sorts? I assume, based on my longer experience with Mastodon, that the All feed is actually just all of the posts that have been federated to my instance i.e. someone on my instance is subscribed to that community. So any communities no one on my server is subscribed to are invisible regardless of sort.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
What do you think? Maybe it doesn’t work as much like Mastodon as I think, but since it’s all the same fediverse it feels like a logical assumption.
Put simply, the sorting / ranking is based on the score and the time published, so as long as things are getting federated within a few seconds, then federated posts / comments are no different from local ones. Mastodon only sorts things by newest AFAIK.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
Should only be an issue if your server blocks other ones.
So is the All feed actually all communities and not just ones federated to your instance by virtue of someone on the instance subscribing? That was really the crux of my question.
Ah, this is completely different and has nothing to do with sorting. All means the latter, IE communities connected to your instance, that your instance knows about. Lemmy doesn’t crawl anything, federated communities need to get subscribed to first, then posts can start coming in for them.
Yes but also no. Because if the contents of All are unique to each server, that has some implications for which posts appear in the various sorts, right? Maybe I’m overthinking and the effect is minute, but I feel like in at least some cases it would mean less active posts could squeeze out more active posts.
Could there be a one-click way to automatically ‘import’ a Reddit subreddit over to a Lemmy community? Meaning, create it, import the sidebars, welcomes, rules, graphics, etc. so it looks familiar to regular users. If not, at least a step-by-step tutorial on how mods could do it.
Another option would be to provide something like a crossposting Chrome or Firefox extension that lets people simultaneously post content to both Reddit and Lemmy. Give them a smooth transition path.
Lastly, the Bluesky concept of ‘pluggable algorithms’ is one way to make it so users can choose whatever sort works best for their interests.
There are a few import tools written to import historical posts, which is the main difficulty. Copying and pasting a sidebar markdown, re-uploading images would take a max of like 10 minutes.
Reddit’s mod interface isn’t an easy one to use, so they’d probably have an easier time over here. If they can click an upload image button, and copy paste, they should be okay.
Still, dogmatism in any form is a plague. Pro Americanism, anti Americanism, whatever. Ignoring facts to suit your chosen narrative is gross.
You are directly implying that pro-americanism and anti-americanism are dogmatism, and that these stances necessarily ignore facts to suit their chosen narrative.
You can elaborate what you meant here.
Even if you did not intend on implying this, you did introduce the concept of dogmatism to a conversation surrounding how Lemmy generally leans anti-America, inserting on your hand an implication that this is due to dogmatism. You’re accusing the average Lemmy user of dogmatism by association, simply for holding an anti-America stance.
That’s what I meant by causality. Pro-americanism and anti-americanism are not inherently dogmatic. It’s just that the anti-american sentiments I see on lemmy are usually dogmatic. It’s an observational theorem, not a derived one.
“Anti-Americanism is bad” -> “It’s not really Anti-American, it’s Anti-America” -> “Dogmatism and belief in something while ignoring countering facts is bad”
It’s an assertion of dogmatism on the Anti-America crowd with no real frame of reference.
I feel like the last remnants of the New Atheists have retreated onto lemmy. Often when you reference spirituality, religion, or even reflections on group dynamics and psychology that doesn’t portray humans as perfectly rational self-interest decision-making machines, you get raided by these edgy “facts and logic” kids that are extremely annoying.
On reddit, they are contained in their own zoos, while here they seem to pile up even in generalist communities. It feels like 2012 all over again.
Atheism is just rejecting the claim that Hod or a specific God claim exists, it isn’t claiming that you believe with certainty he does not. I am an agnostic atheist, I reject the claim that the Jewish, Christian, whatever God exists and in fact positively believe they do not exist because of its self-contradictory nature. I admit that there might be a higher power that created our universe and is outside of time, etc, but it’s unknown/unknowable.
My absolute 100% main response to this topic is, by far and away, “TOO MUCH FUCKING EDGINESS”. In all its forms. I say this as a staunch atheist. Get the fuck over yourself, lemmy.
Posts that are just a link to another forum. I don’t remember which community it was exactly but every community post was just a link to the respective forum thread on the posts topic.
There are one or two servers where all they do is repost content from the other place and links with bots. I blocked those servers. There is never any discussion on those posts so I never saw the point.
I think its a hangover from twitter, that you also see a lot in mastodon. One-upmanship seems more suited to user-following platforms where gaining social cred is more important for spreading ideas than the quality of the content.
I am extremely offended by this and you are evil for making me feel offended! How dare you! Everyone, flock to me with messages of support and shun this person for saying something so offensive!
Stop needlessly shitring on Windows, iOS and MacOS.
Recently there was a post about Wallmart blocking privacy features on iOS when connected to their wifi.
And the comments spoke about how if you are using Apple, you should not expect privacy anyway, implying that Android is a bastion of privacy. Which tunred into an annoying thread and deflected critisism from Wallmart.
I have seen other threads when people are asking for help with Windows or Mac OS issues and the comments talk about how Linux is much better.
That is kinda like, asking your friends for help after spraining your ancle, and them suggesting amputating the entrie leg replacing it with a far more powerful cybernetic robot leg, that doesn’t help you.
I am an IT guy, I just want my computer to work and let me game, manage and edit photos, watch videos, and listen to music, my current Windows 10 machine works fine for me.
I don’t want to tinker when I am home, I have tinkered enough at work managing 365, reading logs, writing scripts and pulling cables.
When I feel that Linux is working well enough, I will switch, but that is up to me, I am not interested in how I can configure my computer to my exact specification, I want a decent computer that I can run the same install on for 6-7 years with updates before upgrading or reinstalling. So far has Windows provided that, Linux has not, I have dailied both.
I have used both extensively, and that is my impression as well.
Out of the box, iOS seems far more secure than Android, but as you say, you can tinker to the end of time with Android to get it to a point where it is more secure, I just don’t have the time or patience to do so.
Very subjective. iOS isn’t even in the running for any of my needs
That said, any time and old person or Luddite adult asks for a computer suggestion, I always tell them “if you don’t mind overpaying, get an Apple PC/tablet/whatever or the cheapest iPhone you can find”. Apple limits its users so much that it is perfect for those folks need a device that protects itself from them. Disclaimer: I work in a tech field, so I rarely see the people around me using iOS devices.
I was limiting things specifically to security. E.g. iOS uses encryption for local personal files, and attempts to use strict security as far as what apps are allowed to do instead of a single "yes do whatever / uninstall app" dialog at the beginning (refusing to use background apps to use the camera + network + etc). It wasn't a general comparison.
Android also encrypts the user data by default since Android 10 (2019).
Android also has different permissions the apps need to ask for just like iOS. Including not allowing background apps to use the camera/GPS/mic by default.
Hm, maybe I am misinformed then. I haven’t used Android in a few years and I just remember being very struck by how enthusiastic iOS was, when I started using it, about smacking down apps that wanted to do something sketchy and how absolutely appalling were the app permissions choices I was faced with on Android.
Android also has fantastic notification controls on a per app basis compared to iOS. I can pop into settings and disable an apps “Marketing” channel, but continue to allow it to have its “Important notifications” channel for example.
Tapping on a channel also allows you to set individual settings, maybe I want NDs “Announcement” notifications, but I want them to be silent, but maybe I still want them to popup on screen while I’m actively using my phone
Ofc, it’s still dependent on individual apps to implement their side properly, but when they do its amazing
I agree with you, but there is a time and a place to advocate for linux, and it isn’t when someone is stressed and just want their computer up and running.