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JokeDeity ,

:( You just made me realize I’m only a 3 and I’m missing out on color mode. This hurts.

Suburbanl3g3nd ,

Dude, I’m a 5 lol

JokeDeity ,

That’s a legitimate nightmare for me. No offense but that feels incredibly dark and bleak, I’m sorry you don’t get to see pictures in your head buddy. 🙁

Suburbanl3g3nd ,

It’s one of those things where I didn’t know until I was in my 30s and figured imagining things meant thinking about them and not actually seeing them.

If you don’t know what it’s like you can’t miss something, ya know? But there are experiments that are trying to give visualisations to aphantasia folk. I’m not sure I’d try it because then I would be missing something.

But, big pro: I can see absolute horrific stuff and I’ll never be able to reimagine it. Describe a vile, nasty car wreck? Can’t see it but I know it’s bad. It has weird benefits

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Just in case you’re worried that you’re locked in – you’re not. Abstain from listening to music, watching TV, and consuming media for a week or two, and watch your brain literally glitter into life to provide you with entertainment.

If you want a more short-term solution: waking up after lack of sufficient sleep, and wandering to the bathroom in half-sleep mode should put you in a state of mind where it’s easy to “hear” a desired song playing in your head.

JokeDeity ,

I assume you responded to the wrong person?

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

no, you hinted that you were stuck as a 3, and I’m telling you that it’s not fixed.

JokeDeity ,

So when I was a child and these things didn’t exist and I wasn’t watching screens, why was it exactly the same? Why has it been the exact same at every stage of my life never weaker nor stronger? I’m just trying to get at the point that you’re full of shit and probably pulled that straight out of your own ass.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

This is a public discussion. I was offering my two cents on how you or others could better their position on visualisation. I don’t quite understand where the hostility is coming from, but you coming back with your own two cents on being hard-wired naturally means that my advice does not apply to you.

Corno ,

I’m a 1. I was today years old when I learned that there are people who can only visualize the outline of an apple, nothing at all, or anything other than a fully 3D rendered apple like in a computer generated image. To answer your question, no I don’t!

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

right, coz there’s no point if you can make better images in your head, yeah?

you don’t run into problems like awful actors, or they suddenly introduce a fetish you’re not into

is that about right?

name_NULL111653 ,

I introduce another option, as I’m much more detailed than even “1.” I can visualise entire scenes with the background and all, along with other sensory experiences such as touch, taste, and smell with complete realism. Very useful being in engineering. I do watch the referenced content, but it’s more to “enrich the dataset” so to speak, just for inspiration and to provide more details to imagine later. Sometimes I’ll just turn it off and go with the fantasy instead.

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s like saying there’s no point in having sex with other people because you know how best to touch yourself.

leavemealone ,

You are totally on point, to answer op and staying in topic, that’s like the difference between wanking and being wanked, both will get you there but being passive and enjoying new things is always nice. It’s not because you can visualize it that you can think of it. Moreover I have great spatial and detailed mind visualization but I have trouble with faces. As an example I can visualize myself navigating in streets and places, I can rotate objects in my mind and other stuff, but faces are hard for me, like reading in a dream . In real life too I have a bad faces recognition/memory.

froh42 ,

I agree with the last statement at about a 70% level. The last 30% missing is - like you can’t tickle yourself, there’s some sensations that are different just because another person does them to you.

I’m not anti relationship, it’s just when viewing sex alone a lot of the things I experienced with someone else are just overrated. With very very few exceptions when I met humans with extremely high emotional intelligence.

But maybe in the end that’s all a discussion, that we all are generally bad in knowing and communicating what feels good for each other.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I remember when I learned people weren’t just being metaphorical when they talked about “picturing” something in their mind.

Do you have an internal dialogue? Or is it all visual? Cuz my internal world is basically a lightly illustrated book, 95% dialogue and occasionally I can imagine a vague image.

Corno ,

Both internal dialogue which sounds the same as my spoken voice alongside images or videos, similar to when there’s a montage being narrated in a movie is the best way I can explain it. This is all fascinating to me now! Do you dream very often?

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I only seem to dream if I’m not sleeping well. I can pretty reliably make myself dream by having coffee before bed. Otherwise, nope, there’s just a vague sense that time has passed when I wake up. If I do dream it’s highly visual, though.

anguo ,

You only remember your dreams when sleeping lightly. You most likely still dream.

Today ,

Last year i learned that people see and hear things.

KingJalopy ,

Big if true

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

People eat food and drink drinks too

KingJalopy ,

Get the fuck outta here

KoboldCoterie ,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

I remember when I learned people weren’t just being metaphorical when they talked about “picturing” something in their mind.

I had that same reaction. “You mean you can see it? No like, really see it, not just think about seeing it? What the fuck?”

shapesandstuff ,

When i zone out, i can have full conversations with people ive never met in my mind while walking to work.

Basically flying blind through traffic, unless something relevant registers on my “conscious” mind.

KoboldCoterie ,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

It’s funny, really, because aphantasia is supposed to be fairly rare, but every time a thread like this comes up, folks come out of the woodwork saying “Oh, yeah, that’s me.” Makes me wonder if it isn’t a lot more common than believed, but people just don’t realize they have it. There don’t seem to have been any real studies done on it.

I can have conversations in my mind, but there’s no visuals associated with it. It’s like a radio broadcast vs. a TV program. I can think about the description of an object, and recite back its physical qualities, but I can’t visualize that object at all.

LittleBorat2 ,

These conversations that never happened don’t always go well, so I whish I could have less of them.

shapesandstuff ,

Same same, i try to be aware of it and ground myself when i do catch it drift into just verbalising anxiety with no real benefit.

Especially when i should be enjoying reality instead, like during a movie, concert or hike

Sir_Kevin ,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I can see it, separate it into parts, rotate it around, put it back together, etc etc. I design things entirely in my head visually before actually building them. I assume that’s how most engineers/artists operate.

KoboldCoterie ,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

Yeah, I’ve always been a shit artist for I assume the opposite reason; I can think of a thing in a macro sense, like "I want to draw [thing], it has these features’, but when it comes time to actually draw those features, I can’t pinpoint exactly what they look like. It’s like reading a few sentence description of a tree, and then trying to draw one purely based on that description - you can get a general sense for what it looks like, but not the fine detail needed to accurately represent one visually.

Incidentally, I have a difficult time commissioning art as a result, because I have an idea of what I want, but I have a hard time communicating the finer details. AI generated art has actually been really helpful for me in this regard; I can see something and know if it’s what I want or not, so being able to give an AI art generator a broad description and get back 100 images from which I can pick a few and tell an artist which parts of each one I want has made it much easier.

terminhell ,

I can create images, sounds, smells, etc the whole gaumut experience OF an apple in my mind. I almost always go for visual it made up in my mind. Just depends.

Not the person you were asking, but seems like you’re curious.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Damn that’s wild, all I can do is verbally describe sounds and smells to myself in my internal dialogue.

phdepressed ,

I’m a 2 on the scale unless i try (I can do 1 but it’s not fast or easy for complex things).

Visualization isn’t usually an active thing for me. But when you say “think of a car accident” I can visualize one generic car t-boning another on a generic road. If you ask me to describe a room in my house I visualize most of the things there and described based off that visualization.

queermunist , (edited )
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m a 3 for memories, a 4 for everything else. Before my head injury I was a 5 for everything (no idea what that’s about lol)

I can describe a car accident in great detail and draw a picture of it, but in my brain I’m just verbally describing the car accident to myself as if I’m the narrator.

LittleBorat2 ,

How do you think quickly if you need to say everything in your mind? Is the voice very quick?

It’s also unfathomable to me how people can think of what they need to do tomorrow and not see it.

I just think we don’t understand our own internal processes very well. The conscious part may come long after we had the thought and if you say it or see it doesn’t matter.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

How do you think quickly if you need to say everything in your mind? Is the voice very quick?

Pretty quick, yeah. It’s basically my voice, but also, I don’t need to breathe or move my mouth or anything. Ever heard the term “stream of consciousness”? Also, grammar and punctuation aren’t necessary, I can just talktalktalktalktalk and I understand myself because I always know what I’m saying.

I’m sure if you could listen to my thoughts it would sound like a fucking mess tho lol

But also, there’s a difference between when I’m just thinking about stuff to myself and when I’m busy doing something. If I’m in a flow state or “in the zone”, I don’t necessarily monologue everything I’m doing. I just do it, y’know? It’s only when I slow down to think that my thoughts actually become dialogue again.

It’s also unfathomable to me how people can think of what they need to do tomorrow and not see it.

I can’t imagine why you need to see it! I know I need to lay some mulch on my garden tomorrow, I don’t need to visualize that? I can just make a mental note of it and keep that thought stored away as part of a to-do list. What would I even use pictures for when I can just tell myself “I need to do X, Y, and Z”?

I just think we don’t understand our own internal processes very well. The conscious part may come long after we had the thought and if you say it or see it doesn’t matter.

Well yeah, consciousness is an illusion. I think they’ve demonstrated with active brain scans that our conscious thoughts come after we’ve already made subconscious decisions. We make up our minds before we know it, consciousness is more like a way we convince ourselves to do the things we’ve already decided we want to do.

0ops ,

For me when I’m daydreaming it’s like watching a movie, my eyes might be open but I don’t see shit, my brain’s doing other things. Or when I’m visualizing something it’s like free and organic AR. But yeah, no dialogue necessary, it’s like a hallucination that I control.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Not my experience at all! If I’m day dreaming it’s 100% narrative. Brains are weird.

Alice ,

In my case, it’s not exactly like an outline, it’s just… I can’t describe it because I can’t actually focus on it, it’s like a cross between a picture and a notion. But somehow, in the lineup, the outline seems like the most accurate level of detail.

Also color is absent for me, don’t know about for others.

HobbitFoot ,

Yes. Just because I can imagine a book brought to life doesn’t mean I don’t like watching movies.

nitefox ,

1 or 2 I guess? Also what’s wrong with watching adult videos?

Beeps ,

They are assuming you can visualize what ever you want and don’t need the videos

nitefox ,

Oh then i can… I still watch videos cause I want to be done with it; otherwise I read smut

MeetInPotatoes ,

I’m a 1 but the apple would be morphing into different types and then the image would zoom in on patterns or what the bottom looks like etc. It would then shift to something totally unrelated like Sonic the Hedgehog. Why him? Your guess is as good as mine. There’s a lot going on up there and it’s noisy and constantly under construction.

To your question though, of course I don’t watch them, I skip around to the good parts.

LittleBorat2 ,

People are not all one? Do yo really imagine grey potatoes when someone says apple.

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It’s a new fad ailment like the magically disappearing “gluten intolerance” epidemic. People with no personalities substitute these things instead. See also “neurodivergence” etc.

And009 ,

Neurodivergent is a huge spectrum we’re still figuring out. But what do you mean by fad ailment.

Genuinely curious about this scale, I’m sure there would be 4s and 5s but expect majority to be 1 or 4 depending on their context when they hear ‘Apple’

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Maybe start using a word when it has some meaning then.

But what do you mean by fad ailment.

“…like the magically disappearing “gluten intolerance” epidemic. People with no personalities substitute these things instead.”. It’s the height of fashion to have a minor ailment these days. Particularly if it’s an unprovable one like this absurd nonsense.

Hadriscus ,

Thank you. That other guy’s take is very destructive

Arfman ,

I’m still coming to terms of people who don’t think visually, there are people who think in grayscale??

Hawk ,

I guess I do?

Visualizing stuff isn’t quite the outline one, there’s more detail. But thinking of some paintings, I can’t quite recall the colors.

joe_archer ,

I have been diagnosed with aphantasia, so I’m a 5. I have no ability to visualise anything in my head, I was in my 40s before I realised that “minds eye” is not a metaphor for most people.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

So, I worked in a job shop, I would draw things up in CAD and leave everything the default grey texture. then the customer would say “I don’t want it to be grey. I want it [wood, gold, magenta plaid, whatever]” and I would say “Yeah I’m going to make it out of [whatever], I’m just confirming the physical design.” and they would reply “I can’t see it.”

Is that you?

rickyrigatoni ,

I’m a 1 and of course I do. Imagination is like playing with dolls. You already know everything going on. It’s not the same as watching something made by other people.

bysmuth , (edited )

I can imagine an apple like in 1, maybe not with light reflections, but with colors and can rotate it around. But it takes a lot of concentration and effort and i’m never really sure if i’m just conceptualizing it.

I’d like to ask a different question. If you imagine something disgusting (like biting into a rotten, moldy apple) do you feel disgust? I always found it super weird when people feel disgusted at hearing a description of something disgusting and involuntarily imagining it. Meanwhile i have to do a concious effort and even then doesn’t evoke nearly the same response as seeing something real

wuphysics87 ,

Moist.

JokeDeity ,

I think it’s only a small percentage that do this as a norm, but I think if you have a personal connection to the thing being described it can trigger a reaction like that in a much larger group of people. As an example: if you’ve traumatically broken a specific bone you’re more likely to cringe at a story about someone else breaking that bone than a person who’s never broken any bones.

bitfucker ,

I do have a vivid imagination, but when I imagine doing something disgusting voluntarily I can anticipate it. Not so much when I imagine it from hearing or reading a story and in the middle of imagining things.

And009 ,

The disgust can be triggered from memories of foul smell, taste and how their parents reacted even.

Not necessarily a reaction coming from visualing a brown apple. Hope that clear it a bit.

Moghul ,

Yes

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

k

Moghul ,

¯_(ツ)_/¯

And009 ,

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

DeaDvey ,

TIL people can imagine colour.

meanmon13 ,

TIL some people can visualize but it’s in black & white or devoid of color all together.

For me, I can visualize things from 2 up to entire scenes. I don’t “see” it like with my eyes, it’s like a dream, sometimes a vivid dream.

LittleBorat2 ,

I could dream up a scene right now involving me buying 20 photorealistic apples in a store I often go to. I thought this is normal and everyone does that.

And009 ,

TIL color is not the default mode for everyone

FangedWyvern42 ,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

1, I do. The imagination isn’t a perfect replacement for everything, and I find visualising things far harder to do if I’m actively forcing myself to do it (listening to music or just letting my mind wander is far better for me, so this test is pretty difficult for me since I have to force myself to focus on the apple).

Asudox , (edited )
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

I think I am a 5. I feel like I am imagining an apple but then I am not sure whether I “see” the thing I am imagining or not. It’s weird.

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

If you were seeing the thing it would be there, in front of your eyeballs.

InAbsentia ,

At a 2, I have but don’t regularly.

Pilferjinx ,

I don’t get this, I’m none of these. I doubt I’m special.

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

Do you see mental images vividly or not?

Pilferjinx ,

I “see” symbolic representations. They’re rich and infused with all the physical senses with computational gestalt union. These words fall so much short to what I think I experience though

bitfucker ,

Damn, I imagine how you would try to imagine a higher dimensional construct.

DeadWorld ,

I’m a 1 and yes I do. I can imagine something, but it’s hard to concentrate on something super detailed and fully enjoy myself

frightful_hobgoblin OP ,

interesting

Nikls94 ,

1 here as well. I can even mimic the sensation my body would get, yet I prefer adult content to save on processing power.

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