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if you like doing your job and going home, how do you bear with coworkers who are lazier but more popular than you and get away with doing less?

cross-posted from: linux.community/post/1144192

you might be an introvert, passionate about your job, or simply old enough to disregard friendships at work because you already have enough friends and a family.

The coworkers I like the most are the ones that come to work, don’t like drama, do their job and go home. That’s what I try to do.

However, there are always some established cliques who know how to play the unit / supervisor and get away doing much less, even feeling entitled to order you around, even though they are not your supervisor.

To people who experience this. How do you tolerate it? Even after changing jobs, this can happen at your new workplace, maybe it happens in every workplace?

GBU_28 ,

Do you want to focus on your job or a social club ?

slacktoid ,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

Dude. There is workplace politics.

GBU_28 ,

If that matters, then it’s part of the job, not a social club

slacktoid ,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

No its not. Its what happens when you get a bunch of people in the room. The job description does not mention socializing with people.

MrsDoyle ,

Sometimes it’s couched as “team player”. Some jobs I had it absolutely mattered who you were friends with.

corsicanguppy ,

mattered

But briefly, am I right? That kind of problem is best solved by changing your work address.

slacktoid ,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

Not always, it’s mostly office culture in many places. Finding one where that doesn’t happen is hard. Usually depends on the discipline the manager or boss has to not accidentally pick favorites and catch that behavior. Which doesn’t always happen. There are some people, but they are a rare breed. People always end up forming cliques, and whoever is in the clique with the boss had an advantage in the workplace.

GBU_28 ,

Pick your lane dude. I’m saying the post as described focuses on the job description.

So, should you care about the job, or the chit chat?

If politics are required for the job, but not listed in the job description (real world) then that must be discussed. If not, focus on your work.

slacktoid ,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

what lane dude?

So, should you care about the job, or the chit chat?

the job, duh, but you also get skipped on promotions and other shit cause youre not involved in the chitchat. its how the politics affect your career. have you had a job before?

If politics are required for the job, but not listed in the job description (real world) then that must be discussed. If not, focus on your work.

which job actually lists “take part in office politics” in the job description?

GBU_28 ,

Obviously. Are you trying to obscure things?

I’ve clearly stated that if “you” feel you need to handle the office politics to succeed, then that’s a conversation to have.

If your job allows you to focus on your task without political concerns (like specific contract work where promotion isn’t a thing), then who cares about the social cliques?

slacktoid ,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

cool bro, have a nice day

flamingo_pinyata ,

Well if there’s a choice - social club. What’s even the point of having a job if you work all day just to survive and then try to squeeze socializing in the little time that remains until you need to sleep

GBU_28 ,

Post said “if you like doing your job”

So discussion on changing work life balance isn’t relevant.

faltryka ,

I used to be more sensitive to feeling like other people were getting more recognition for less work.

Over time though I’ve grown to realize that usually they are just doing something that I don’t fully understand yet, and I’ve gotten far greater rewards from trying to learn from them.

treadful ,
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

That’s a very well adjusted point of view.

Don’t be like me, that bottles up resentment that comes out in unexpected ways, which then leads to you being the first one laid off because you’re the least enjoyable to work with.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

It somewhat depends. Is it unionized work? Is it hourly or salary? What type of work, and what are the metrics for quality/quantity of output?

Maeve ,

What the guy over there said.

owenfromcanada ,
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In as much as it pertains to me, I don’t tolerate it. Otherwise, if people want to bullshit their way through their career, I don’t really care. This happens in every company that has more than one employee (almost).

If someone else starts ordering me around when they don’t have the authority to do so, assuming it would change my course of action, I’ll tell them politely that I might be able to get to that when I have time. If they escalate it, I tell them to talk to my boss about rearranging my priorities. And if they do that and succeed, that’s fine. Once you establish that you don’t report to them, I’ve found they typically leave me alone. If not, I talk to my boss about it in private.

infuziSporg ,
@infuziSporg@hexbear.net avatar

If you like doing your job and going home

You enjoy your employment and you even enjoy your commute. Then what’s the problem? Are your coworkers having an even better time at work than you are? I don’t understand.

RadicalEagle ,

I don’t let what other people do ruin my happiness. If I’m happy with the work I’m doing and the amount I’m getting paid then I really don’t care what other people do.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

Do less too, if anyone dares to complain, document and point out the double standard then remind your employer that discrimination is illegal. If they punish you, sue and get rich I guess.

Or

Find a new job

Or

Just ignore it if you aren't stressed out with the amount of work you have

Or

Play the game too, humans are social creatures at the end of the day

We don't really know your life or situation so at best, all the advice here is educated guessing or worse.

halykthered ,
@halykthered@lemmy.ml avatar

My work stands on it’s own two legs. Their work doesn’t affect my paycheck. If their laziness impacts me, I will not stay silent about it at all. Other than that, I’m punching my clock and focusing on what I need to.

Bobson_Dugnutt ,
@Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net avatar

It’s not a competition, you don’t need to compare yourself to your coworkers or police their work ethic.

Now if they’re ordering you around that’s another issue.

Dagwood222 ,

If someone tells you to do their job, tell them ‘no.’

If the supervisor tells you to do it, tell the supervisor that you can’t handle more responsibilities because you’re at your limit.

You have to stand up for yourself.

metaStatic ,

I'm perfectly happy to make your life easier but not at the expense of making mine more difficult

z00s ,

As a fellow introvert I had to learn the skill of drawing my boss’ attention to my work without feeling like I was being arrogant or begging for attention.

I kept a list of things I thought I had done well or were above and beyond, and discussed it with them in performance reviews.

grrgyle ,

I like to encourage a culture of laziness at my work.

deranger ,

If the whole world agreed to do 20% less work I think we’d all be fine and slightly more relaxed. Progress is overrated.

MonkeMischief ,

So true. “Progress” seems to be defined as an arbitrary jagged line that can never ever seem to be high enough. What’s the point then? 🤔

corsicanguppy ,

Yes. “numbers go up” is a sickness.

grrgyle ,

Especially in business, it’s like, who are we competing against - hostile aliens?? Nah, it’s just us humans, trying to get by. We could be tossing eachother softballs, everyone winning, but instead there’s this self-fulfilling fear of an existential threat from “rivals.”

MonkeMischief ,

Omg you knocked it out of the park with this one. Everything is such a race to the bottom in this system.

It’s always about competitive undercutting, and what’s the most ruthless cold-blooded calculations one can get away with, and this Type A disease of being obsessed with zero-sum conflict to reveal who’s the absolute best of everything.

“Why can’t we just chill and it’ll get there when it gets there?”

“What?! Look at (for example) China! Do you see them chilling? No! They normalized 12 hour shift burnout before us, this will increase their production 3%, and then undercut us by 12% and steal all our business and we’re screwed! So we need to squeeze our people harder to beat them!”

“…And then they’ll squeeze their people harder…so…?”

“…”

“…”

“This might be a good time to inform you we expect you to train the new overseas team before we’ll surprise ambush-fire your entire department.”

…Repeat the above but for undocumented immigrant labor…then maybe child labor…then probably right back around to slavery again…

“Oh no we all agreed this would be so bad for humanity, but gee, the competition did it and we wanna stay competitive so…”

Man seriously why can’t we all just be doing our own thing lol…

grrgyle ,

God yeah, a hundred percent, great illustration of exactly what I was alluding to. It’s so short sighted. Even the benefits are nothing compared to the heights we could reach if we oriented our economics around coopération.

Cruelly, this system “works” (or at least is successful in perpetuating its existence) right up until the point of resource collapse (or revolution, if we’re looking at the good ending).

Thanks for your reply. I was pretty happy with this comment, so am chuffed to hear you appreciated it.

kubica ,

I'm in a similar situation and I'm taking it poorly because I feel that it is affecting the possibilities of the company, and with that mines as well.
So currently I'm in the process of searching for a place that can have more future. Which being also an introvert is being quite a hell.

sunzu , (edited )

I'm in the process of searching for a place that can have more future.

Take note folks, this how it is done!

They don't pay or treat u right, get u a new corpo komissar who will pretend to do it for a bit

HobbitFoot ,

It depends on what you define as lazy and popular.

I’ve had staff that were visibly not working harder than other staff, but their work was of significantly higher quality than others. Since the “lazy” worker produced more and could be counted on to do the work with less supervision, I gave them more flexibility in the office. I was playing favorites, but the favorite was more valuable as an employee.

And I’ve had other staff that would be considered more popular, but that was in part because they would help others at work doing coordination and mentoring tasks. I would also offload some of my managerial tasks to them if I was overwhelmed even though they didn’t have the title. If I offload the management of a task to someone else, I expect people to treat them with the same respect they treat me. I’ve seen that expectation not get followed and I’ve had to step in to remind staff that they need to coordinate with others, not just me.

I find that a lot of people who “do their job and go home” don’t end up doing any of the coordination or communication required for their job, even though their job is technical design. They end up being worse than they think at their job because it is so hard to work with them and won’t chime in on cases where there is shared responsibility.

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