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OsrsNeedsF2P ,

His comments about women are inexcusable, but the fact he convinced Linus to adopt GPL is paying dividends to billions of people globally, and most of us don’t know it.

cyborganism ,

What comments about women?

OsrsNeedsF2P ,
30p87 ,

what may appear whimsical to men who receive them may seem creepy to women.

Isn’t this site supposed to - yk - support the equality of all genders?

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

I don’t really know what the site stands for or their agenda, but the list is a comprehensive list of things Richard Stallman has done to discomfort women in the field

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

discomfort women

Stallman has made many posts sympathizing with efforts to legalize some forms of child pornography. Among other things, they stated that he was “skeptical of the claim that voluntarily [sic] pedophilia harms children”. These comments were defended by his supporters on Slashdot. As of 2016, there are reports of Stallman changing his views on the matter within the previous few years.[2] However, in 2018 he defended Cody Wilson, who later pled guilty to sex with an underage girl, with Stallman saying that the girl likely had “entirely willing sex with him.” Stallman changed his original post but nevertheless still said it is “normal for adults to be physically attracted to adolescents” and that adults using trafficked children shouldn’t be legally responsible. In 2019, Stallman posted an email to an MIT listserv about the allegation that MIT professor Marvin Minsky raped a 17-year-old girl, and due to public outcry he resigned from both MIT and the Free Software Foundation.

Women are just so sensitive!

stopit ,
@stopit@lemmy.ml avatar

Minsky never raped anyone. The 17 year old girl was sent to him and politely refused. She has even confirmed this. I feel as if he goes to great lengths to speak clearly and people never seem to listen.

I do agree, however, his early views on pedophilia are creepy. I have never heard him support cp, so I won’t argue either way.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

I am not a lawyer or a judge.

But “early views” nothing. The guy knows where he stands, it’s just that now he knows that being open about those views will get him in trouble.

Inui , (edited )

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cyborganism ,

Ugh. God damn. 🤢

Somehow I’m not surprised. He seems pretty eccentric. In a socially awkward way that makes you uncomfortable.

steeznson ,

He seems to have no filter whatsoever. His comments are inexcusable but he seemed to set himself up to broadcast every single thought that ever goes through his head to the entire world. I suspect there would be some clangers in there if I - or anyone else - spewed all of their halfbaked thoughts out all the time like that.

Personally I’m never going to meet the guy and my opinion of him doesn’t particularly matter. That provides an opportunity to pick out the bits of his thoughts that I find interesting and leave out the bits that are crass. Appreciate not everyone has that luxury though, especially if they have been personally affected by one of the issues he’s crashed into like a bull in a china shop.

steeznson ,

He’s a living meme who wrote some amazing software back in his day.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

I am not a woman, therefore I am not affected by his comments! Conclusion: good guy!” — far too many people in this thread

Dude also has some… “”“interesting”“” opinions on the legalization of CP.

All you gotta do is contribute to FOSS and you’re a hero?

Some of y’all dumb as hell.

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/2b90eb4f-5fc2-4680-81df-9c8a868e0d59.webp

stopit ,
@stopit@lemmy.ml avatar

he has never endorsed cp! He has, however, supported any one over the age of 14 having sex, and has changed his view on that a decade ago.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

As of 2016, there are reports of Stallman changing his views on the matter within the previous few years.[2] However, in 2018 he defended Cody Wilson, who later pled guilty to sex with an underage girl, with Stallman saying that the girl likely had “entirely willing sex with him.” Stallman changed his original post but nevertheless still said it is “normal for adults to be physically attracted to adolescents” and that adults using trafficked children shouldn’t be legally responsible. In 2019, Stallman posted an email to an MIT listserv about the allegation that MIT professor Marvin Minsky raped a 17-year-old girl, and due to public outcry he resigned from both MIT and the Free Software Foundation.

changed his view on that a decade ago

got quieter about his views

stopit ,
@stopit@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t know him personally, so if he got quieter or lied (he actually has a statement on his website that, according to you is a lie) about his views, I would not know. Look, I see more than plenty of reasons for one not to like him. I feel people run with media reports even when we have his email transcripts that can be read word for word.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

My criticism lies only with people who staunchly defend him and/or consider him a good guy / hero.

mukt ,
@mukt@lemmy.ml avatar

At 17 years, it is a matter of technicality. Plenty of places draw line at 16 years, some even lower.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

Y’all are grown folk arguing if it’s ethical to fuck high school students.

I got nothing to say to that.

mukt ,
@mukt@lemmy.ml avatar

Would you prefer teens to discuss and decide that instead? Or preteens?

crmsnbleyd ,
@crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz avatar

He’s neat :)

thesporkeffect ,

vice.com/…/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-re…

Smart guy. Not a good person. Don’t idolize people

zephr_c ,

Honestly it comes across to me not as him defending rapists, but actually just genuinely not understanding how rape works. The guy somehow understands people less than I do, and that’s saying something.

AVincentInSpace ,

We’re talking about the creator of Emacs. Do you think that guy leaves his house.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

That was my neighbor’s defense, too. “It wasn’t rape! She was very clearly coming onto me!” about the 14-year old girl he “”“encountered”“” as a college student.

He very absolutely understands what rape is. He just doesn’t want age to be a factor if she’s “into it”. It’s very very very very very clear where he stands: if she consents, it’s not rape, no matter her age!

zephr_c ,

Nobody is even accusing him of rape. Why treat him like a rapist when nobody has suggested the possibility that he had done anything wrong besides stick his foot in his mouth? It seems obvious to me that the point he was poorly attempting to make was that he’s uncomfortable with the inconsistencies around age of consent in different countries, not that there should be no such thing. 17 is enough to be a consenting adult in some actual reasonable countries.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

No one is accusing him of rape. Just saying his view on the whole thing is sketch as fuck.

17 is enough to be a consenting adult in some actual reasonable countries.

…okay.

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/faf2b01b-da81-4ce2-b774-23c5c8fbcfe0.webp

zephr_c ,

What, do you think someone’s 18th birthday suddenly magically transforms them from a child to an adult overnight? The line has to be somewhere, and I’m perfectly happy with it being 18, but other countries having a slightly different line doesn’t make them all rapists.

RAM ,

sad to see that he thinks like that about rape and the whole Epstein thing :(

stopit ,
@stopit@lemmy.ml avatar

I wish people would read the published mail thread and not the news articles…he never defended rapists. His quote was quite different. Also, the victim, insofar as her interaction with his old boss, confirmed what happened.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

An actual good take.

Thank you.

eugenia ,
@eugenia@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m a woman, and have talked to him via email 2-3 times in the last 20 years. While I’ve met Torvalds, Jobs, and others in the industry when I was living in the Bay Area and working as a tech journalist, I never got to meet RMS – only via email. I think he has social issues, maybe he’s on the autistic side or something similar. I don’t think he understands clearly some of the things he’s saying when it comes to social stuff. He doesn’t get a pass, but at the same time, he’s a bit different as an individual, so that needs to be taken into account. When it comes to software, his heart is in the right place, and in fact, if it was me, I’d be even more strict (or more “Free” – depends how you see it), with GPL.

anon5621 ,

Defintly, we need GPLv4 already. To fix holes in licence which using coorps in GPLv3.

joshcodes ,
@joshcodes@programming.dev avatar

Only man I’ve ever seen pick shit from between his toes and eat it while having a philosophical discussion about FOSS.

10/10 agree with the ideology and think he’s an amazing programmer 0/10 agree with his culinary recommendations

piped.video/watch?v=Rhj8sh1uiDY&t=11

Treczoks ,

Good programmer, shitty politician ;-)

ssm , (edited )
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

BSD folk would disagree with the former. Though now we have IBM/Redhat userland getting more popular thanks to Debian and co.; which makes GNU userland look like blessing by comparison.

HubertManne ,

I like him. He is basically the kind of nerd I have often hung out with.

nickwitha_k ,

He is one of the people ever in the open-source movement.

SeattleRain ,

Love him. His one hot take, which was completely misconstrued by the Twitter mafia, doesn’t take away from the fact that he’s been right for 50 years straight.

We’d still be in the IT stone ages without him. If you don’t believe me just look at the software they used to charge money for in the 1990’s.

Microsoft would have likely taken over the Web Server market just as they had the Desktop market, without him. The internet would be a fraction of the size it is now.

I wish his license had allowed for more equitable distribution of profits. It’s a crying shame companies can build billion dollar enterprises off of open source software and not pay devs a penny. It’s a problem that continues to hobble libre open source software all the way into today. But he’s stated he’s not a socialist so I can’t hold that against him too much.

wuphysics87 ,

You have to separate:

  1. Stallman the person
  2. Stallman the programmer
  3. Stallman the philosopher
theshatterstone54 ,

I just woke up, so I started wondering who is Stallman the photographer?

unreachable ,
@unreachable@lemmy.world avatar
refalo ,

The first two are already quite ghastly. The final one just solidifies my opinion.

wuphysics87 ,

What’s your opinion of Free Software?

schnurrito ,

One of my greatest idols since I was a preteen. Learning about him and his existence made me confident that there was a future for people like me.

How he has been treated in the last few years has been making me feel a lot less optimistic about the future of humanity. :(

chobeat ,

Politically, I don’t like him. He had a critical influence in the beginning of the Free Software movement, and its failure can be easily identified in the core ideas that put the freedom of the software before the freedom of the people. The fact he cared more about software than people is reflected in pretty much anything he did.

On a personal level, he seems an insufferable asshole with enough power to get away with toxic behavior. Luckily, I never had to interact with him, but his visibility for sure didn’t help marginalizing toxic egomaniacs in IT communities. Being neurodivergent is not an excuse for being an asshole. He’s the last remnant of an age that hopefully is over.

mannycalavera ,
@mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

It’s GNU Richard Stallman, not Richard Stallman.

phantomwise ,

More properly, GNU/Richard Stallman, or GNU + Richard Stallman

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