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SecretPancake , (edited )

The older I get the more remote I want to live. I just want a good grocery store, a hardware store, doctor and vet in approx 10 min drive distance and I need something to charge my car nearby. That’s all the „city“ I need. Otherwise I want peace and nature around me.

corsicanguppy ,

75% of the water pumped out of America’s rock needs treatment for particulate. You’re going to need food municipal water for a while if you’re in America, and that is gonna limit your range from city hall.

Also. Low-density is the worst configuration for housing on a cost/benefits and land-use perspective. We left the 1950s a long time ago, so, no matter where you live we can’t go back to sprawl and low density.

Bad for your water (and other infrastructure) and bad for the planet. Otherwise, enjoy!

explore_broaden ,

If low density is the worst for housing cost-effectiveness, why is living in large cities so much more expensive?

trashgirlfriend ,

Because people prefer living there and (in the US) because low density development is given legislative preference

fruitycoder ,

Subsidies. Both in form of roads and home ownership incentives being focused on single family homes. The fact that renting is the primary way to live in the city seems detrimental to it being cost effective too.

explore_broaden ,

I find your point about renting compelling, is there anything that could be done to improve the situation?

fruitycoder ,

Housing cooperatives seem good. There have been some successful uses of community land trusts to keep prices in check too.

Better laws surrounding collective loans feels necessary for medium density too high density housing to be bought up by groups tenets. This just an issue at large for community and worker owned coops in my experience. There are some creative crowd funding type bonds out there but its not very responsive and better suited for long term plannings then seizing on need or opportunity.

Lastly there are tenet unions to at least mitigate the rise of rent and unmet obligations by land lords.

OldWoodFrame ,

The thing I’ve heard is, think of how when you’re a mile away from each neighbor, it’s your tax dollars paying for the road, sewer, sidewalks, water, electric, gas lines, for a half mile in each direction. Initially and for maintenance and replacements. That’s why a lot of rural areas just don’t have sidewalks or fiber internet or sometimes they’re using well water.

In a city duplex, you’re paying half the utilities for like 20 feet in front of your house.

It just is more efficient to live closer together, the reason cost of living goes up is because everyone wants to live in the city and employers want that supply of workers so they try to get in or close to the city too and it’s a virtuous cycle of concentration. But housing supply being what it is, and all the jobs being nearby, means housing prices go up. Still worth it to most people hence why there’s still demand, but higher than living in a place with fewer jobs and amenities.

exocrinous ,

Well, if I lived in a small town I would need to either walk or give little kids asthma to get anywhere. And seeing as I have both a conscience and the pressures of 21st century fast paced living, it’s impossible for me to live in a small town.

Also small towns don’t got any gay bars

BreakDecks ,

Size doesn’t really matter to me. Density and accessibility matter to me most.

I would rather live in a community of ~10k that is walkable than a community of 1m+ where I have to drive everywhere. If I can access groceries, dining, and public transportation without ever needing to own a car, I am happy.

I could live in North Bend, Washington, but not Gary, Indiana.

I could live in NYC, but not L.A.

rab ,
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North bend was so cool before it was a bedroom community

GlitterInfection ,

It’s all about girth!

hubobes ,

Perfectly located small town. 10k population, right besides the train station which takes me in 10min to either a small city, a medium sized city or, in 30min, to the largest city of the country.

sjmulder ,

I live in a small city of about 90k and I love it. We have the important amnesties, eg shopping and a hospital, but in a few minutes you’re out in the open fields. Meanwhile buses to nearby large city depart every 6 to 30 min from my street.

56_ ,
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They are both too big for me. I like a small rural community, where everything is close enough that no car is needed (an island in my case). I grew up in a city, and I’m so glad I got out of there.

stoy ,

I prefer living i a nice suburb with excellent public transport to get to work in the city.

Just like I have been doing for all my life (:

The city is a place you visit, and then come home to your nice suburb walk home from the bus stop along a small, quiet canal, sometimes there is an event in the park you pass through, else it is just quiet.

Need to get to work in the city center? Get on the bus that departs every 5-10 min during rush hour, 30 min later switch to the underground that departs every 5 min, switch lines, get off 15 and walk to the office, arrive 45 min after you left home having slept or watched videos on your commute.

TenderfootGungi ,

It is really expensive to build public transportation in lower density suburbs.

stoy ,

Nope, not if you build it before selling land and building houses.

Here in Sweden, it usually works like this:

The municilapity decide to develop some land, this includes public transport, in lower density areas a few well placed bus stops is all that is needed, they connect with the suburb center, and might even have a few lines connecting further away, the suburb center usually has a train station and a small shopping center, the train then takes you further along to your destination.

If you don’t build public transport during or before construction of the neighbourhood then it will obviously be a higher cost. But build it before or during construction and it will be quite resonable

dan1101 ,

Small town. Less traffic, crime, pollution, expense. More sense of community.

kandoh ,

Less walkable / car dependent, further away from medical attention or emergency services, the community is awful

CableMonster ,

Small towns are typically going to have hospitals within the same distance. The only difference is they will helicopter you to a large city if its a severe medical problem.

kandoh ,

I’m two minutes away from the best doctors in my country. A rural person is found 30 minutes too late by his neighbor who calls his brother in law before 911

CableMonster ,

Maybe in some places, but I think most small towns of 10k and larger have normal hospitals and EMS services. All the places I have lived have been within 10 minutes of the hospital.

CableMonster ,

I dont really see much of a benefit to big cities, its a quick helicopter ride if someone is going to need extreme medical care. As long as there is a Costco, Home Depot, and walmart, I am all set.

SkippingRelax ,

Agreed. Emergency services stations are all within minutes from my place in the outskirts of a small town, so is the hospital. The community is awesome.

OldWoodFrame , (edited )

I’m definitely a city person. I love walking to things (for which I need sidewalks) and hate cars. I like being able to walk to a bar, personally I find more sense of community with close neighbors instead of being a mile from anybody. I have a rural friend who once asked if I got freaked out that my neighbors could see what I do in my yard and…no. Doesn’t bother me. Honestly I feel safer when I leave for vacation that my neighbors would text me if something was wrong at my house. I’m not scared of violent crime because it’s vanishingly small odds in most residential areas that aren’t poverty stricken.

Any outdoor activity I don’t do frequently enough that it’s worth having a huge plot of land for it and I don’t want to have to mow an acre or more. I wouldn’t be able to survive on satellite internet.

scoobford , (edited )

City.

Fewer bigots, fewer people in your business, there’s community spaces other than the church, the food is better, and most of all, there’s work to be had.

It is a matter of personal preference, but there is a reason most people are migrating into cities right now.

Edit: I was wrong. While most people were migrating to cities for work, that isn’t necessarily true anymore nationwide. In my state, it is still happening, but we have a large influx of people from other states.

SkippingRelax ,

Isn’t that reason return to office policies though, and the majority of people would happily leave the city life behind if they were not forced to go back?

Appreciate you are answering a question and each one of us has their own preference but not sure you can say most people agree with yours.

scoobford ,

So I looked it up, and this isn’t true anymore most places.

It used to be, young people flocked to cities both for work and for things to do. It looks to me based on where this is/isn’t happening now that the main factor is cost of living.

SkippingRelax ,

I’m confused now, are you saying that the current trend is to move out of cities or to the cities?

scoobford ,

Most places, the current trend right now is moving out of cities. In my local area, people are still moving into cities for some reason.

Patches ,

More people are moving from City to Rural now actually.

ers.usda.gov/…/net-migration-spurs-renewed-growth….

It’s not a huge trend but it’s surprising nonetheless. Significantly to Extreme COL changes is probably a big reason.

pixelscript ,

City. Around 100k is the comfortable size.

Not like I require the city’s wider array of amenities all that much. I will still be spending 97% of my time at work or at home.

But if I lived in a small town again (born and raised in a town of <8,000), that extra 3% of the time I wanted to go out I’d have to remind myself, “Oh yeah, I live in a dead end town in the middle of nowhere that services none of my personal interests,” and that 3% would rapidly become 0%. I’d live fine with that, but eh. Why take a strict net loss when I can simply not?

The walkabiity and community arguments for small towns are complete non-factors for me, seeing as I go basically nowhere and talk to basically no one. And I’m not persuaded by the cost of living argument for small towns, since lower rent would be almost equally counterbalanced by lower salary opportunities.

Tak ,
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Not only does the salary go down in small towns but the number of positions are greatly reduced. All it takes is a layoff and that “cheaper” small town could be too expensive because there are no more positions to fill.

pixelscript ,

The exception would be high-paid remote work, I guess. But with the reputation that corpos big enough to field those salaries have been recently building, going mask-off with no warning for no reason and asking employees to start filling desks again, I don’t know if I’d risk it.

wolfpack86 ,

100k is a big town, not a city.

nitefox ,

Countryside.

Resol ,
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I think a small city works well enough for me. It’s basically the best of both worlds.

someguy3 ,

Big enough to get a Costco.

GlitterInfection , (edited )

City.

I want to be able to surround myself with a variety of people and cultures, while also being able to surround myself with the community that makes me feel welcome.

Growing up gay in a rural town that was relatively progressive was still a nightmare, and the town’s best feature for me was the commuter train that took me to the closest big city.

I love having access to basically everything relatively easily and I love having a multitude of options for all the things I have access to. Small towns can’t provide that.

I also hate yards, though gardens are nice.

So yeah, for me while I have found some small towns I could make work, I would always be giving up things that I value to do so. Big cities are the best, and smaller cities can be good, too, but I’m a city boy through and through.

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