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CannotSleep420 ,

Pim Tool is a deeply unserious person.

theywilleatthestars ,

Tim “gets his philosophy from Marvel movies” Pool doesn’t know shit about anything.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

thanks

Maeve ,

No, no and no!

Hyperreality ,

Nikki Haley would likely win against Biden.

She's (relatively) young, she's a woman, she was born to immigrant parents, she's taken a tough stance on Russia, she's not obviously nuts.

If anything, the democratic establishment wants Trump to be the candidate. It'll make a Biden re-election easier.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

none of this really answers my questions. iguess the suggestion she would beat biden implies that democrats wouldn’t really want to nominate her, but who can say?

Hyperreality ,

It does.

Democrats want Biden to win the election. Haley being nominated makes that harder.

If they don't want her to be nominated, they're not going to help her get nominated, are they?

5 second google:

A POLITICO analysis shows the former South Carolina governor is winning swaths of moderate voters who’d pick Joe Biden if Donald Trump wins the GOP nomination.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/09/haley-electability-trump-biden-polls-00130926

GOP’s Haley attracts non-Republicans ... also regularly attracts swing voters who backed President Biden in 2020 ... Leaning into her appeal to the political middle on the trail, Haley highlights surveys that show her leading Biden by double digits — 17 percentage points in one recent Wall Street Journal survey

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/18/nikki-haley-democrats-republicans-presidential-2024/

43 percent of Haley backers in the state said they would vote for Biden if Trump is the GOP nominee ...

https://thehill.com/elections/4408071-almost-half-of-haley-supporters-say-they-would-vote-for-biden-over-trump-iowa-poll/

Democrats acknowledge Haley could pose more of a threat to Biden than Trump, so they are tying her to the former president on virtually every issue ... Democrats privately acknowledge that she would likely represent a worrisome opponent for Biden, citing polling that shows the former governor as the best-positioned candidate to unseat the sitting president in the general election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nikki-haley-may-be-a-longshot-but-dems-already-know-how-they-would-run-against-her/ar-AA1kGLsN

comradegreetingcard ,
@comradegreetingcard@lemmy.ml avatar

Tim Pool is a moron. youtu.be/c8g7W9zEOXA?si=XVb0Ag6vtattHiRH

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

he’s a dummy. i never meant to suggest he isn’t. but he used to be able to at least find real stories i cared about.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

hey I got home from work and watch that video and it’s very good. I’m going to subscribe.

comradegreetingcard ,
@comradegreetingcard@lemmy.ml avatar

RM is great at using absurdity to expose grifters.

If you want to see a great analysis of Tim Pool see Timbah.On.Toast Tim Pool: Fence Sitter

federatingIsTooHard OP , (edited )
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

do you know of anyone that’s good at finding action, doing succinct analysis, and also maybe not dwelling on interviews? unicorn riot does the first one well, but id rather just have a media personality delivered the narrative than someone neck deep in the action.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

Obama? What? Is that something else some dimwitted right wing grifter said?

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

obama was the last democrat i voted for for president. i was hoping haley might be better than him.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What political positions do you hold?

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

fuck. I deleted my first reply while trying to edit.

I was a liberal inn 2008, fell for syndicalism for a while and now I lean heavily toward galleanist insurrectionism, though I also like black anarchism.

baby, I’m an anarchist

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

That’s cool, but why would you consider Nikki Haley? She’s an outright Republican fascist, which is the opposite of that.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

as i said, i didn’t actually know anything about her.

numberfour002 ,

I’m wondering if there is a bit of misunderstanding or miscommunication going on here? I don’t know the statement or the context, but my interpretation based on OPs title is that this person is implying …

Registered Democrats will switch their party affiliation so that they can vote for Haley to be the Republican nominee for president.

The implication that enough Democrats will do this that it will affect the outcome is, how shall I put this nicely, wholly unsupported by data or reality. On the other hand, the intellectually dishonest types will actively seek examples of people doing this (or claiming to do it) and use that as “evidence” that it is happening on a wide scale.

The fact that some number of people will switch parties to vote in a primary is inevitable and happens every presidential election cycle and is not a tool used only by members of one party. You might as well predict that someone will get into a car accident in the USA in the next 24 hours.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

thank you.

PrinceWith999Enemies ,

I have read about individuals doing this, but to my knowledge it has never happened in any sufficient numbers to tilt a primary in any state.

Some states run open primaries, so that any person can vote in any (but only one) primary. Other states run closed primaries, such that any voter who has registered as a member of that party can vote in that particular party’s primary. Yet others (eg, California last time I checked) have mixed modes. I believe the CA GOP primary is closed by the Democratic primary is open.

You can tell relatively easily by the number of votes in any given primary election whether they’re consistent in terms of turnout with previous years. As far as I’ve ever read, they tend to be year over year consistent. The one trend that has been noted in recent years is a small but as far as I know steady increase in independent voters (who as stated may or may not be able to vote in primaries depending on their state, but based on number of votes cast do not seem to have been a deciding factor in primary votes).

I generally have suspected that the idea of people switching parties to act as primary spoilers is largely just projection, as we tend to expect malfeasance of the Other, but the hard truth is that you can barely get large numbers of people to vote in actual elections, much less in something like a primary.

ArtieShaw ,
@ArtieShaw@kbin.social avatar

So, it varies by state because everything is a certain degree of a shit-show here. In my state, you show up at the primary election site and you ask for one of two ballots. That's enough to "register" you as a Dem or Rep. It's pretty meaningless.

I know of one coworker who voted for Trump in the 2015 primary to "take down the Republican party from the inside." Great strategy, Steve. I'm guessing that some similar idiocy is what's being talked about here.

mateomaui ,

Why would you ever believe anything from Tim Pool? He does nothing but spout bs for engagement revenue.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

He does nothing but spout bs for engagement revenue.

lately. once, he went fact-finding. but that was so long ago, most probably can’t remember.

mateomaui ,

ok… what he did once doesn’t matter, what he does lately is relevant to something he just suggested.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

i was a bit incredulous, that’s why i asked here.

mateomaui ,

Yeah, any suggestion that Dems would switch their party to GOP just to get a more favorable candidate to probably vote against is likely nonsense. It’s difficult to believe a significant number of Dems would vote for her considering her laughable stances on historical racism and slavery.

Illuminostro ,

Stop listening to Tim Pool, or any of the other right wing grifters.

vzq ,

I don’t know who Tom Pool is, but I’d stop listening to him if I were you. He’s an idiot, a crackpot or (most likely) both.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

he used to be a real journalist and he was great at finding conflicts on the ground and livestreaming them. something happened in the last 10 years, but he was, truly, a good journalist.

vzq ,

Is he a gamergate moron? Timing would work.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

i don’t recall him wading into that much at the time, but he’s definitely neck deep in culture war shit now.

TransplantedSconie ,

Dude. He never was a “real journalist” he’s a hack and a conspiracy theorist.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

he was hired by multiple news organizations, and he livestreamed ferguson and j20. (though his political bent was already starting to become a problem by then).

he was a journalist. it’s sad what he’s become.

athos77 ,

If he's no longer a journalist, and it's sad what he's become, and his political bent is infecting what he says, then why the duck are you still listening to him?

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

hope.

xmunk ,

Hope for Nikki Haley?

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

hope that he starts doing news again

athos77 ,

It's been three years, it's time to move on.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

that’s what my wife and friends tell me

neidu2 , (edited )

I know him, and you are indeed correct: He’s both, as well as other traits common in the right-wing shitmosphere.

sin_free_for_00_days ,

Might be better than trump, in that she hasn’t pledged state sponsored political retribution and throwing out The Constitution, but Haley is still a Republican through and through and there is zero chance of a rational dem voting for her over Biden.

federatingIsTooHard OP ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

only actual answer so far. thank you.

Nemo ,

I think the idea is that they vote for her in the Republican primaries, not the general.

bigkahuna1986 ,

If I thought she was an actual reasonable human being I might vote for her. Of course no one gets the nomination by being reasonable though.

Maddie ,
@Maddie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lol that’s never going to happen

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